Originally posted by Uriel005
Actually Flash in comics vs a forum flash is very very one sided. Flash hardly ever breaks the speedforce barrier which puts him above constraints such as time which would make zoom's timestop useless. In comic he's done it without assistance but whenever Zoom is around he seems to struggle with FTL movement.
as I said before beating flash does not put you on par with odin.
Originally posted by Uriel005So... all Zoom's done is beat a written down Flash is what you're saying?
Actually Flash in comics vs a forum flash is very very one sided. Flash hardly ever breaks the speedforce barrier which puts him above constraints such as time which would make zoom's timestop useless. In comic he's done it without assistance but whenever Zoom is around he seems to struggle with FTL movement.
Originally posted by zeel
as I said before beating flash does not put you on par with odin.
Very true.....it means you can kill Odin in an instant. On par is just ridiculous
Zoom vs the Celestial host would be a much fairer match. Even then a few thousands of galaxy haymakers would be all it took to send them crying back to the fulcrum.
You say being on par with Odin like that covers all aspects of each character besides destructive capacity which I'm sure a lot of characters aren't on par with Odin but can still stomp him easily. Its fallacious and the ones saying it are in essence killing their own arguments.
Odin's physical durability allows him to barely tank a punch from Thanos
So Zoom hitting Odin with his supes level strikes which aren't even imps while Odin is effectively a statue means that he'll more then likely tank a couple of the first few punches but then die by the time hes even beginning to be aware of whats happening.
Originally posted by SasuOna
You say being on par with Odin like that covers all aspects of each character besides destructive capacity which I'm sure a lot of characters aren't on par with Odin but can still stomp him easily. Its fallacious and the ones saying it are in essence killing their own arguments.Odin's physical durability allows him to barely tank a punch from Thanos
So Zoom hitting Odin with his supes level strikes which aren't even imps while Odin is effectively a statue means that he'll more then likely tank a couple of the first few punches but then die by the time hes even beginning to be aware of whats happening.
Zoom's punching power can't even knock out an alt PG with a blitz.
So Zoom hitting Odin with his can't ko PG strikes isn't likely going to make Odin blink.
Originally posted by h1a8
There is no choosing involved. We are simply taking what the writer's gives us. If they say that one's mass increases as they approach c then that is what it is. No need to choose.
in one breath you're saying it is based off special relativity. in the next you are saying go by what the character says. great, except....
what the character says DOES NOT EQUAL special relativity. you can't have what he says AND what the theory implies because they are not the SAME.
arguing anything else is the height of nonsense. shall we list the characters in dc who can achieve 90% c? so ALL of them can achieve an imp with force enough to destroy GALAXIES. 😐
is that truly your stance?
here is a more simplified version--flash can run fast. when he runs fast he can hit pretty damn hard. superman hard? i'd doubt it, frankly, and if we compared punching feats i'm pretty sure it would bear itself out. infinitely hard??? that is utterly and in every way laughable.
i love getting criticized btw, for the skyfather argument (in my own case i tried to explain WHY imo a skyfather should win--CAN/HAS amped to match a speedster effortlessly, time-based powers, etc....) and yet the 'zoom never tries to really hurt heroes' argument is just fine, as is the 'just because he never has hit a quintillion times in a second with near infinite force doesn't mean he can't' argument. an even huger LULZ at even trying to pretend the odin side is extrapolating and has shown zero proof when the zoom/flash side can't even show zoom has ever thrown ONE IMP in his whole history!!
i think the fact that it has never been brought up again by writers or dc may be rather telling.... 😖hifty:
Originally posted by Uriel005You just downplayed Zoom beating Flash...
no...
Originally posted by zeel
beating flash does not put you on par with odin .
Originally posted by Uriel005
Actually Flash in comics vs a forum flash is very very one sided. Flash hardly ever breaks the speedforce barrier which puts him above constraints such as time which would make zoom's timestop useless. In comic he's done it without assistance but whenever Zoom is around he seems to struggle with FTL movement.
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Originally posted by Sr J-BiebThe best part is she is talking and fighting back and even a million punches didn't even really hurt her yet zoom fans claim he beats Odin before he can react. The argument has no merit whatsoever.
Here's him landing over a million punches:
http://imageshack.us/f/185/zoompunch1qv3.jpg/How can Odin stand against that when Power Girl... well, nevermind what an alternate Power Girl did... look at all dem punches!
Originally posted by Uriel005
^ just wanted to say that he's also laid out heralds with single strikes. The point of that wasn't to indicate the strength of the blows but to point out that he could land a number of them. Put two and two together.
Apparently landing that many blows seriously lowers their power.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Zoom's punching power can't even knock out an alt PG with a blitz.So Zoom hitting Odin with his can't ko PG strikes isn't likely going to make Odin blink.
He only needed to hit Wonder Woman 4 times for her to comment that his hits are harder then Supes.
So far Iv'e seen nothing to make me think Odin can survive getting punched millions of times by a bloodlusted zoom.
Originally posted by SasuOna
So he was going all out against alt PG ? The scan says otherwise but that's your issue
I'm pretty sure he wasn't but I can't do anything to convince you otherwise since you think CIS matters in this situation.He only needed to hit Wonder Woman 4 times for her to comment that his hits are harder then Supes.
So far Iv'e seen nothing to make me think Odin can survive getting punched millions of times by a bloodlusted zoom.
So, show me examples of Zoom throwing that many pucnhes without a major loss in power.
