CISless Zoom vs Odin

Originally posted by Uriel005
CIS doesn't work like that for most character but characters like FLash and Zoom have some really broken implications.

Originally posted by Galan007
In some cases, you're right - ex. just because Superman saved the omniverse by vibrating one time, doesn't mean he'll ever do it again. However, I think as long as the 'points' made regarding speedsters are provable (and by "provable", I mean they can be substantiated by on panel showings), then there is no reason to doubt their validity.

...But I really couldn't tell you if the points made in this thread are valid or not, as I haven't read any pages aside from this one.

Proper substantiation should find confirmation within the comics, that much I agree. And if there is little to no affirmation within the comics present, that's an indication that liberties are being taken.

Originally posted by Galan007

...But I really couldn't tell you if the points made in this thread are valid or not, as I haven't read any pages aside from this one.

Originally posted by SasuOna
Give me a physical durability feat from Odin that compares to getting hit millions of times by Supes and I'll start taking the Odin is a skyfather BS with a little more levity.

Rationalizing that his regular punches get weaker exponentially is fine up to a certain point(not that I would even agree with the way your trying to portray it as) but when you try and turn that into an argument about his IMPS which always constantly increase it becomes stupid.

Odin's destructive capacity isn't an argument for him auto winning a fight where hes outmatched in speed and versatility.
Its like saying Galactus can kill the Phantom Stranger because his destructive capacity is greater.
Fallacious arguments that aren't getting you anywhere and just make this thread go in circles.

Give me an example of Zoom throwing millions of Superman level punches.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And if there is little to no affirmation within the comics present, that's an indication that liberties are being taken.

Now if an opinion is based on a character's on panel showings, then that is another story entirely.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Give me an example of Zoom throwing millions of Superman level punches.

Would it be because of the logic, "Since he hasn't shown it then he can't do it?"

Originally posted by h1a8
There isn't any so why ask?

Would it be because of the logic, "Since he hasn't shown it then he can't do it?"

So you can't prove that Zoom can throw millions of Superman level punches?

Because of his abilties. Just like Flash punching out numerous people in the first picosend of the comic and ending it hasn't been done.

Originally posted by Harbinger
People are claiming that Zoom can hit with the force of multiple galaxies, for starters.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you can't prove that Zoom can throw millions of Superman level punches?

http://imageshack.us/f/185/zoompunch1qv3.jpg/

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http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/z14dz0.jpg/

From Galans Respect thread.

no quite serious. which is what happens when this type of unfounded CIS-less talk is taken to its natural conclusions. you suddenly realize everyone who can approach the speed of light can throw imps and with force enough to destroy galaxies. makes a lot of sense.

He has the potential to do so I suppose, but not "just like that".

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Originally posted by leonidas
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no, it's not possible--not unless you're willing to accept that every single character who can approach c in the dcu can do the same. and no, again, because you are applying real world logic and theory to arrive at your conclusion which is of course pointless because (a) the attack itself does not even FOLLOW the real world theory, and (b) it is a comicbook where real life theory fails. so i'll completely disagree with you on both counts--it is neither theoretically possible as it follows no 'real' theory, and because of that it is not only 'not feasible' it is impossible for zoom to punch with force enough to destroy a thousand galaxies.

Zoom not having a defined upper limit to his speed/punching power, doesn't give us automatic authority to make up our own. His hardest punches (on panel) were Superman-level, therefore, he's not going to hit harder than that in this thread (CIS off or not.)

We use what we have, not what we think.

Within reason. Of course someone saying "Flash drops the universe on someone in the first 5 seconds of battle" is over the top. Saying "Flash can't ko someone in the beginning of the match" is not. It is explained in the rules.

I wouldn't argue Zoom doing that, but I was just saying based on his powers it isn't impossible just impractical.

Originally posted by leonidas
no, it's not possible--not unless you're willing to accept that every single character who can approach c in the dcu can do the same. and no, again, because you are applying real world logic and theory to arrive at your conclusion which is of course pointless because (a) the attack itself does not even FOLLOW the real world theory, and (b) it is a comicbook where real life theory fails. so i'll completely disagree with you on both counts--it is neither theoretically possible as it follows no 'real' theory, and because of that it is not only 'not feasible' it is impossible for zoom to punch with force enough to destroy a thousand galaxies.

Which is why I said theoretically it is possible, but making it feasible in a match is another thing entirely.

And going at "C" and going much faster than "C" to one's will is a totally different story altogether.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Within reason. Of course someone saying "Flash drops the universe on someone in the first 5 seconds of battle" is over the top. Saying "Flash can't ko someone in the beginning of the match" is not. It is explained in the rules.

I wouldn't argue Zoom doing that, but I was just saying based on his powers it isn't impossible just impractical.

I wasn't referring to you at all. 😉

Nah you know better 😛

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you can't prove that Zoom can throw millions of Superman level punches?

Originally posted by leonidas
no quite serious. which is what happens when this type of unfounded CIS-less talk is taken to its natural conclusions. you suddenly realize everyone who can approach the speed of light can throw imps and with force enough to destroy galaxies. makes a lot of sense.

Only in the D.C. universe though. Marvel doesn't use relativity.

Originally posted by h1a8
Of course I can but millions would be irrelevant wouldn't it?

How many would it take?

Originally posted by Galan007
Zoom not having a defined upper limit to his speed/punching power, doesn't give us automatic authority to make up our own. His hardest punches (on panel) were Superman-level, therefore, he's not going to hit harder than that in this thread (CIS off or not.)

We use what we have, not what we think.

But Zoom never intended to kill anyone. He always wants to instruct.
That means he just as easily could have punched someone a little closer to the speed of light and they are dead. Remember CIS is off.