Originally posted by Parmaniac
Cool unfortunately that's not blood just saliva and on the following panels there was no blood in his face.
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p11.jpg
Red saliva running down a nostril and clinging the side of his mouth?
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p16-17.jpg
Red saliva dripping from a nostril?
So it was red saliva that was seeping from the wounds Logan was inflicting too?
Originally posted by zopzopIt's not red it's black and even if, fine he drew blood Cage is what now? Class 100? Bendis wrote him like that hell I wouldn't be suprised if he would have soloed the Wrecker.
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p11.jpgRed saliva running down a nostril and clinging the side of his mouth?
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p16-17.jpg
Red saliva dripping from a nostril?
So it was red saliva that was seeping from the wounds Logan was inflicting too?
Originally posted by Parmaniac
It's not red it's black and even if, fine he drew blood Cage is what now? Class 100? Bendis wrote him like that hell I wouldn't be suprised if he would have soloed the Wrecker.
Nah, Wrecker owned Cage. But Cage at least hit him hard enough to hurt him and draw blood. Wrecker would have killed Cage if he was solo.
Originally posted by zopzopYeah but my point is Cage under Bendis' pen went up the ladder he had retarded strength feats like lifting a big fat fully loaded truck and jogging it to a meeting point with no effort, he thunderclapped and has done one of these Hulk jumps, he jumped on a 3 or 4 story building from the street with a single leap. Let him draw blood on Wrecker no biggy. Or he jumped out of the Avengers tower onto the street with no harm at all.
Nah, Wrecker owned Cage. But Cage at least hit him hard enough to hurt him and draw blood. Wrecker would have killed Cage if he was solo.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Yeah but my point is Cage under Bendis' pen went up the ladder he had retarded strength feats like lifting a big fat fully loaded truck and jogging it to a meeting point with no effort, he thunderclapped and has done one of these Hulk jumps, he jumped on a 3 or 4 story building from the street with a single leap. Let him draw blood on Wrecker no biggy. Or he jumped out of the Avengers tower onto the street with no harm at all.
Didn't he own Dirk later in NA series? Smashed him with some car or something. Tbf, Strange distracted him.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWMaybe, I can't remember anything like that though. I wouldn't be suprised though the whole Wrecking Crew became pretty lame, nothing of the NA7 Issue was left in Wrecker when the Dark Reign started they became lame (and stupid, considering that 2 (?) of them are actual scientists) henchmen of the Hood, ironically a bunch of other lame Z-list villains got revamped pretty cool in Dark Reign Punisher.
Didn't he own Dirk later in NA series? Smashed him with some car or something. Tbf, Strange distracted him.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Maybe, I can't remember anything like that though. I wouldn't be suprised though the whole Wrecking Crew became pretty lame, nothing of the NA7 Issue was left in Wrecker when the Dark Reign started they became lame (and stupid, considering that 2 (?) of them are actual scientists) henchmen of the Hood, ironically a bunch of other lame Z-list villains got revamped pretty cool in Dark Reign Punisher.
You want me to look for the issue?
Only Thunderball is. Crew always liked to job.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganThat's what I said. Stilt here thinks Logan won the fight all by himself.
Niether did much of anything in terms of being relevent in the victory.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWThat's not the worst. Your attempts to prove that Wolverine is better than Spider-man in every possible way is. And you use some kind of twisted A>B>C logic to do it. And that logic works both ways. For example, where was Logan when heroes fought the upgraded Daredevil? Was resting under a column, while Spider-man did all the work. By your logic that makes him what? Inferior?
No, but him cutting the shit out of Garthwaite near the end was quite a significant factor.Parker's distractions allowed NA to do what exactly? Luke to love-tap Wrecker and Veranke to tickle him with a venom blast?
It's not a BFR when you get back to the battlefield under your own power.
The worst part is that you actually believe it.
Originally posted by zopzopYou make it sound as if it was a tough battle. HAD to bfr Wolverine? He didnt HAVE to bfr him, he simply tossed him away, he treated him as minor annoyance, same as he treated everybody else on the team. As for not being hurt, he has a HF to take care of that. So what? Yes, Wolverine can cause major damage to wrecker, key point - he didnt. Making what he did no more uselfull than what Spider-man did. Wolverine drew blood, Spider-man provided distraction allowing fake Spider Woman and Luke to get their hits in, and webbed him up in the end. But it was the Skrull who made the real difference.
@SamZEDDude Wolverine was completely unhurt and actually causing Wrecker to scream in pain while drawing blood. The Wrecker had to BFR him and even that didn't work.
Wolverine came back a few minutes later and tore into Wrecker again. It was shown on panel that Wolverine can hurt Wrecker....badly. IF, and notice I said IF, Wolverine slashed the Wrecker's eyes, slashed his throat, or jammed his claws into the Wrecker's heart, the Wrecker would be dead or maimed no?
Spider-man only hurt Wrecker by slamming a tricycle on his skull 🙄
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You want me to look for the issue?Only Thunderball is. Crew always liked to job.
Yeah but I hoped after NA7 that at least for a while they would have their moments like against the Defenders *points at KMs Respect Thread* usually I always liked the Crew, perfect for double paged action loaded issues, like in Hulk recently.
Originally posted by SamZED
That's what I said. Stilt here thinks Logan won the fight all by himself.
You came to that conclusion by me saying that he was a big factor in that fight?
Originally posted by SamZED
That's not the worst. Your attempts to prove that Wolverine is better than Spider-man in every possible way is. And you use some kind of twisted A>B>C logic to do it. And that logic works both ways. For example, where was Logan when heroes fought the upgraded Daredevil? Was resting under a column, while Spider-man did all the work. By your logic that makes him what? Inferior?
Again, what Wolverine did during the fight with Wrecker had nothing to do with the outcome of the fight.
Thing is, it wasn't the first time Parker screwed up against Garthwaite. Beating the shit out of Parker is Wrecker's hobby he does when he wants to forget about Thor and relax.
Nothing? Lol? Him making Wrecker drop his crowbar had nothing to do with the outcome of the fight?
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Yeah but my point is Cage under Bendis' pen went up the ladder he had retarded strength feats like lifting a big fat fully loaded truck and jogging it to a meeting point with no effort, he thunderclapped and has done one of these Hulk jumps, he jumped on a 3 or 4 story building from the street with a single leap. Let him draw blood on Wrecker no biggy. Or he jumped out of the Avengers tower onto the street with no harm at all.
I use to argue with people claiming that Bendis wanked cage I agreed that he give him a lot of spotlight but if you look at his original mini where he got his upgrade and Heroes for Hire v2 right after he had lot of high end feats stuff I would argue were on the same level or better than what he was doing when Bendis got his hands on him.
I am talking about the early stuff what he has Cage doing now is pretty ridiculous no way to really defend it.Then again Cage has never been written constantly even when he was at his original strength.One time his has his hands full with the like of Montain Marko next minute he damaging Iron-man's armor and punching holes in Dooms.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Nah not necessary, if it was Bendis Cage did it IIRC Spider-man once said Cage stalemated Galactus or something.Yeah but I hoped after NA7 that at least for a while they would have their moments like against the Defenders *points at KMs Respect Thread* usually I always liked the Crew, perfect for double paged action loaded issues, like in Hulk recently.
Yea it was Bendis.
Well, Dirk no-sold (upgraded) IF's punch... and shrugged off Bendispower Clint's attacks, then owned him.
In Suicide Kings they weren't bad either.
You're talking about Let the Battle Begin one-shot? Bulldozer finally got his five minutes...
Nah I wasn't refering to an apperance of teh Crew in a Hulk book just comparing them with Hulk cause he has these action loaded issues on very constant base but now where you mention it that fight was fun it was the same issue where Hulk used Thor's hammer to shove his face in wasn't it? Ah pure gold for Rage of Olympus 😂
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWOwes it all to the pheromones. If it wasnt for them he would've been bfred again, but this time into Australia.
Nothing? Lol? Him making Wrecker drop his crowbar had nothing to do with the outcome of the fight?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWSo? PISless Wrecker is a beast, a team wrecker and that very fight made it clear that both Spider-man and Wolverine have no buiseness fighting him 1 on 1. And even then Spider-man put up a fight against the wrecking crew on few occasions all by himself. So I ask again, what's your point? Logan's claws can cut him so he's the champon of everyone? Stilt, if I ever start to hate Wolverine its gonna be your fault. And if the day when I start to hate Wolverine ever comes I swear I'll find you and stab with a spoon.
Thing is, it wasn't the first time Parker screwed up against Garthwaite. Beating the shit out of Parker is Wrecker's hobby he does when he wants to forget about Thor and relax.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Nah I wasn't refering to an apperance of teh Crew in a Hulk book just comparing them with Hulk cause he has these action loaded issues on very constant base but now where you mention it that fight was fun it was the same issue where Hulk used Thor's hammer to shove his face in wasn't it? Ah pure gold for Rage of Olympus 😂
Yep. I bet Rage still has nightmares.
What really cracked me up was what Hulk did to Wrecker...
Originally posted by SamZED
Owes it all to the pheromones. If it wasnt for them he would've been bfred again, but this time into Australia.
Maybe. Maybe not. But I never said Veranke's role in that fight wasn't important or even crucial.
Originally posted by SamZED
So? PISless Wrecker is a beast, a team wrecker and that very fight made it clear that both Spider-man and Wolverine have no buiseness fighting him 1 on 1. And even then Spider-man put up a fight against the wrecking crew on few occasions all by himself. So I ask again, what's your point? Logan's claws can cut him so he's the champon of everyone? Stilt, if I ever start to hate Wolverine its gonna be your fault. And if the day when I start to hate Wolverine ever comes I swear I'll find you and stab with a spoon.
He was doing great, but NA kept coming at him...
My point? You said the only factor in that fight was Skrull Queen and I disagreed. I disagreed because if that were true she'd handle Wrecker herself.
Fact: Wolverine with his soul being intact appeared to make short work of Wrecker.
My beer gut will protect me, I believe.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWIf that's your point, im not gonna argue. Heck, i'll admitt I was wrong. It was a team effort.
Maybe. Maybe not. But I never said Veranke's role in that fight wasn't important or even crucial.He was doing great, but NA kept coming at him...
My point? You said the only factor in that fight was Skrull Queen and I disagreed. I disagreed because if that were true she'd handle Wrecker herself.
Fact: Wolverine with his soul being intact appeared to make short work of Wrecker.
My beer gut will protect me, I believe.
But when you start with the "character A did better against charact C than character B did against character C is a proof that character A is >>> character B" things are gonna get ugly.
You were warned.
Originally posted by SamZED
If that's your point, im not gonna argue. Heck, i'll admitt I was wrong.But when you start with the "character A did better against charact C than character B did against character C is a proof that character A is >>> character B" things are gonna get ugly.
You were warned.
It's like congratulating only the one who became a mother and ignoring the obvious "contribution" from her man.
Veranke got DVP'd by Logan and Cage and thus we have a newborn baby (Wrecker). No DNA tests, so both guys are considered his dad. Is my point clear now? 😛
But this is not Spidey/Wolverine thread. I'm not trying to make a legitimate argument for that battle in this thread. Just feeling happy for Parker's failure, nothing more. And I already corrected myself that he immobilized him at the end.
Against my degree of invulnerability you need Tick's spoon.
