Wrecker vs. Spider-Man

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zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
SPvFL is PIS.

How is it PIS, he was about to repeat it on Eric/Thor but Eric/Thor went ahead and omniblasted, unlike Firelord. Face it, Eric/Thor was about to go down till he nuked.

Loki's shrugged off Extremis Iron Man punches, Stormbreaker shots to the chin, etc. all immediately. He's wrecked buildings with a single punch. Loki's not physically weak. Loki's never increased his durability via magic. And projecting that onto the scene is wholly needless.

Loki is a premier magic user, you don't think he uses his powers to enhance his physical stats?

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by zopzop
How is it PIS, he was about to repeat it on Eric/Thor but Eric/Thor went ahead and omniblasted, unlike Firelord. Face it, Eric/Thor was about to go down till he nuked.
SPvFL is PIS. Masterson Thor was also given the worst loss of his career by Loki. Masterson Thor =/= Thor.
Originally posted by zopzop
Loki is a premier magic user, you don't think he uses his powers to enhance his physical stats?
For size-shifting, yes. He wasn't size-shifting there. If he does it on-panel, I'm not going to question it.

I'm not going to assume that's what he did when there's no indication he did it, no evidence he's done it ever, and the durability feat is in line with his past ones and Spider-Man's helplessness is consistent with foes of this level who aren't caught off-guard or off-balance.

SamZED Senior Member

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What. The. Hell. How is Spider-Man ambushing Masterson Thor with a jump-kick from behind NOT catching him off-guard? How is Spider-Man punching Masterson Thor unexpectedly when he's only trying to help NOT catching him off-guard? This is ridiculous. Spidey bounces around with his agility to keep people off-balance. I don't even know why I'm arguing this. He can't go toe to toe with Hulk or Thor or Loki. He's tried, he's ineffective.
"What the hell" exactly. Does this look like a kick from behind? (second scan)
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3589/feat41fight1qs9.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3068/feat41fight2jl8.jpg
Masterson sees Spider-man, he's warned that Spider-man is about to attack. The fact that he didnt want to fight doesnt change the fact that he was READY for the attack as Spider-man pretty much announced he's about to attack. And it still both hurt and dropped him off his feet. You're making up some kind of context that just isnt there. Hulk attacks, Spider-man jumps and punches him in the face. It makes Hulk cringe and cause his head to turn around. That's all there is. No context or explanation. And there are dozen of simillar examples. You cant chulk them all up to not being ready or being off-balance.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

It's the comic. And it's happened often. And there is a completely viable and cogent explanation for it. Deal with it however you like.
Ill start by not pretending that there's some kind of explanation that really isnt there. Call them how I see them. http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1396/feat10fight1nu0.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8066/feat11fight2sg9.jpg
A kick to the face, Hulk feels it. Not damaged, but FEELS it. That's 100% clear from the scan. Dont see a reason why Loki shouldnt feel it at all.

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member

Fun fact: Masterson Thor vs. Spider-Man and Firelord vs. Spider-Man were both written by the same guy, DeFalco.

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by SamZED
"What the hell" exactly. Does this look like a kick from behind? (second scan)
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3589/feat41fight1qs9.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3068/feat41fight2jl8.jpg
Masterson sees Spider-man, he's warned that Spider-man is about to attack. The fact that he didnt want to fight doesnt change the fact that he was READY for the attack as Spider-man pretty much announced he's about to attack. And it still both hurt and dropped him off his feet. You're making up some kind of context that just isnt there. Hulk attacks, Spider-man jumps and punches him in the face. It makes Hulk cringe and cause his head to turn around. That's all there is. No context or explanation. And there are dozen of simillar examples. You cant chulk them all up to not being ready or being off-balance.
I have no idea what kind of footing or stance Masterson Thor had prior to that second jump kick. And neither do you. He's still trying to reason with Spider-Man. He continues to reason with him and still doesn't expect Spider-Man to punch him when he tries to assist him later on. So Masterson being totally prepared and not possibly being caught off-guard or off-balance after the initial hit is garbage. Masterson was being dense in that fight. His own fault.
Originally posted by SamZED
Ill start by not pretending that there's some kind of explanation that really isnt there. Call them how I see them. http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1396/feat10fight1nu0.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8066/feat11fight2sg9.jpg
A kick to the face, Hulk feels it. Not damaged, but FEELS it. Dont see a reason why Loki shouldnt.
Right. Somehow, Loki amped himself off-panel is you not pretending that there's some kind of explanation there really isn't there.

I'm sorry you can't accept that Spider-Man can use his spider-agility to keep a rampaging mindless Hulk off-balance or a dumb-as-bricks Masterson Thor off-balance. Because we certainly see when Spider-Man has failed to even budge Savage Hulk and Loki and Incredible Hercules among others when they assert their durability and aren't off-guard or off-balance.

Half your scans proved my point exactly. The other half you just can't admit that Spider-Man uses his agility to keep bricks off-balance. If you think that's beyond his capabilities, that's your issue, not mine.

SamZED Senior Member

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Fun fact: Masterson Thor vs. Spider-Man and Firelord vs. Spider-Man were both written by the same guy, DeFalco.
I know Firelord is not the most popular fight, its a definition of PIS on this forum. But if you've read it its not all bad. The fight laster for how long 3 issues? Firelord was holding back, Spider-man punched him several hundred times after dropping a building on his head, getting him ran over by a train and blowing him up twice. Compared to soe PIS moments like BP's armbarring Surfer, ts not that bad. Not to mention not the only example.

Parmaniac Evincar of KMC

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I have no idea what kind of footing or stance Masterson Thor had prior to that second jump kick. And neither do you. He's still trying to reason with Spider-Man. He continues to reason with him and still doesn't expect Spider-Man to punch him when he tries to assist him later on. So Masterson being totally prepared and not possibly being caught off-guard or off-balance after the initial hit is garbage. Masterson was being dense in that fight.
Yeah when I reason with people I also usually raise a hammer and run towards them.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Yeah when I reason with people I also usually raise a hammer and run towards them.

😆 Priceless

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Yeah when I reason with people I also usually raise a hammer and run towards them.
Yeah, when I'm totally prepared to beat the crap out of someone I also usually scream, "My what-? B-but we're not--!" or "No! Wait--! You don't under--"

SamZED Senior Member

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I have no idea what kind of footing or stance Masterson Thor had prior to that second jump kick. And neither do you. He's still trying to reason with Spider-Man. He continues to reason with him and still doesn't expect Spider-Man to punch him when he tries to assist him later on. So Masterson being totally prepared and not possibly being caught off-guard or off-balance after the initial hit is garbage. Masterson was being dense in that fight. His own fault. Right. Somehow, Loki amped himself off-panel is you not pretending that there's some kind of explanation there really isn't there.

I'm sorry you can't accept that Spider-Man can use his spider-agility to keep a rampaging mindless Hulk off-balance or a dumb-as-bricks Masterson Thor. Because we certainly see when Spider-Man has failed to even budge Savage Hulk and Loki and Incredible Hercules among others when they assert their durability and aren't off-guard or off-balance.

Man, seriously? The stance? We have a scan where Masterson is ready for the attack, Spider-man kicks him and he falls and admits it hurt. Its all there, but you refuse to accept it because you doubt his footing or stance? How the hell should it be drawn and how many times mentioned on panel for you to see that the attack simply hurt him? Because this "we dont know what footing he had" can be used to excuse every punch in comicbook history. And please read my posts, I said either amped OR (since there's no evidence of amp) more likely just a low showing for Spider-man, and since 95% of the time he hits class 100 characters (including Hulk, Thor, Surfer and many many others) they feel it, its safe to say its a low showing.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Yeah when I reason with people I also usually raise a hammer and run towards them.
😆
And then try to take their head off with a hit.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7456/feat41fight4vn3.jpg

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by SamZED
Man, seriously? The stance? We have a scan where Masterson is ready for the attack, Spider-man kicks him and he falls and admits it hurt. Its all there, but you refuse to accept it because you doubt his footing or stance? How the hell should it be drawn and how many times mentioned on panel for you to see that the attack simply hurt him? Because this "we dont know what footing he had" can be used to excuse every punch in comicbook history. And please read my posts, I said either amped OR (since there's no evidence of amp) more likely just a low showing for Spider-man, and since 95% of the time he hits class 100 characters (including Hulk, Thor, Surfer and many many others) they feel it, its safe to say its a low showing.
You have no idea what Masterson's stance is at the beginning of the next comic. I know you want the first page of the next comic to literally be the next panel. But considering he's swinging in on a webline and he hasn't spun one in the last panel of the previous comic, we have no idea what happened between them. The fact that Masterson wasn't ready for Spider-Man's sucker-punch later on already proves he's got no heart for the fight.

95%? When half the scans are sucker-shots and the other half he's bounding around with agility? Whatever.

Originally posted by SamZED
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And then try to take their head off with a hit.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7456/feat41fight4vn3.jpg
He's lashing out as a consequence of being sucker-punched. You would too. That's why he says, "CUT THAT OUT! I'm only trying to help you!" Stop pretending like Masterson was legitimately fighting Spider-Man hard.

Mindset Senior Member

Spiderman phucked him up.

Parmaniac Evincar of KMC

If you put so much importance into his words/thoughts read what he says/thinks on this page
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/139/feat41fight5tr3.jpg

(last 4 panels) adresses pretty much everything

Mindset Senior Member

awwwwwwwwwww snap

SamZED Senior Member

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You have no idea what Masterson's stance is at the beginning of the next comic. I know you want the first page of the next comic to literally be the next panel. But considering he's swinging in on a webline and he hasn't spun one in the last panel of the previous comic, we have no idea what happened between them. The fact that Masterson wasn't ready for Spider-Man's sucker-punch later on already proves he's got no heart for the fight.

95%? When half the scans are sucker-shots and the other half he's bounding around with agility? Whatever. He's lashing out as a consequence of being sucker-punched. You would too. That's why he says, "[b]CUT THAT OUT! I'm only trying to help you!" Stop pretending like Masterson was legitimately fighting Spider-Man hard. [/B]

Yes is the case in 95% of the time, there are half a dozen Spider-man respect threads and dozen upon dozen fights against class 100 bricks, see for yourself. Fighting or not doesnt effect his durability especially if he's ready for the attack. And especially when Spider-man announces "IM TAKING YOU DOWN" before attacking. But seriously, whatever man. I dont need nor want to argue. I have the scans that show all these class 100 characters get hurt by Spider-man's punches even though they're ready for them. There's no denying it and no amount of "they were off-balance" and "he was using his agility" or "we dont know what footing he had" excuses will change that they CLEARLY felt his attacks. Fact.

Parmaniac Evincar of KMC

I'm not arguing the Loki scene or anything just that it's obvious that Spider-mans hurted Masterson even if the stuff you claim is true which I personally doubt the last 4 panels make all of this null and void.

He says he wants to hit him but can't grab him and before he smacks the ground he says he has no other choice or Spider-man would knock him out.

Just for the record I'm not giving SM a single win over Masterson on the forum just summerizing what apparently happens on panel.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss
Originally posted by Mindset
awwwwwwwwwww snap
Originally posted by Mindset
Spiderman phucked him up.

LOL stop instigating. 😆

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by SamZED
Fighting or not doesnt effect his durability especially if he's ready for the attack.
Right. So you show me scans of him hitting people from behind or off-balance. Fine job.

If you're expecting it and bracing, some 5 yr old isn't going to be pushing you back with their pinky. If you've only got one foot on the ground, they are going to push you. If you don't know where they're pushing, because he's got spider-agility and is bouncing all around you and you can't even track him, they are going to push you.

Same concept. The idea that Spider-Man can't keep a brick off-balance is retarded. The idea that Loki, Thor, Hulk, Herc can't brace and remain unbudged is retarded. The idea that neither of those two things could happen in comics (even when it does happen on-panel) is double-dip retarded.

SamZED Senior Member

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Right. So you show me scans of him hitting people from behind or off-balance. Fine job.

If you're expecting it and bracing, some 5 yr old isn't going to be pushing you back with their pinky. If you've only got one foot on the ground, they are going to push you. If you don't know where they're pushing, because he's got spider-agility and is bouncing all around you and you can't even track him, they are going to push you.

Same concept. The idea that Spider-Man can't keep a brick off-balance is retarded. The idea that Loki, Thor, Hulk, Herc can't brace and remain unbudged is retarded. The idea that neither of those two things could happen in comics (even when it does happen on-panel) is double-dip retarded.

I showed you 8 scans of him hitting class 100 bricks, them cringing, being pushed and even outright admitting it hurt. I posted those scans and there are dozen more posted in respect threads. I got that backing me up. You got your doubts about footing, stance and other retarded excuses that controdict on-panel evidence of them clearly feeling the hits. 👆 Yeah, think im gonna go with low showing for the Loki incident.

Badabing Gym rat

Stiltman, your little hissy fits and protests are noted as is your dislike for all things Spider-Man. But a spite thread is a spite thread regardless. Mods can only close threads they happen to see, which are reported or if a poster sends a PM.

I thought my message was clear enough when I closed your last spite/bait thread, but I guess not. Your next attempt to make some sort of misguided point by creating a spite/bait thread will result in a warning.

Closed.