The thing is he never said he can choke the life out of Hulk he said something like you said "he found a way", as in creating a device taht drains gamma radiation or something. Considering that he is and always was a genius level intellect character I think it's well in his capabilities.
As for direct confrontations, Hulk should always win (and except for 1 time he always has).
EDIT: In most cases in don't give that much for character statements anyways.
Wolverine was dead serious when he said Spider-man can break his neck and kill him.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
As for direct confrontations, Hulk should always win (and except for 1 time he always has).
You're forgetting about that time when Pete had Captain Universe powers.
Wrecker is Loki's physical superior, ain't he? I mean, why would Loki take his power if he wasn't? Maybe the stats stacked? But I think that would make "Wrecking Loki" superior to Thor and he said that with Dirk's power he was Thor's physical equal...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Loki basically drained the power of the entire Wrecking Crew, adding their physical might to his own so as to even the playing field. Unfortunately, when Thor got enraged/pushed to the edge....it didn't help too much.
Thanks, that's what I wanted to know. Crazy feat.
Originally posted by SamZEDReread those scans again, because the vast majority of them involve Spider-Man attacking while the opponent is off guard or off-balance. Look at the first one you posted even. Hulk lunged for Peter, missed and hasn't even gained a solid footing yet by the third panel, which is exactly when Spidey jump kicks him -- and didn't do any damage. Amped Professor Hulk is lashing out and not trying to soak punches. Every single one of the last four involves either Spidey hitting Masterson from behind, or kicking/punching him when he's trying to talk him down or help him, or using his agility to keep him off-balance.
I remember them pretty well, but I cant be bothered to post every instance where Spider-man's attacks effects class 100 characters because there are literally several dozen examples. And im not talking about "cought off-guard or off-balance" kind of attacks. But here are some examples where class 100 chars clearly feel heal attacks.http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/5656/feat17fight2vj4.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1396/feat10fight1nu0.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/6105/feat10fight4yc8.jpg
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3610/feat11fight1gk6.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8066/feat11fight2sg9.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3522/feat20fight4mv9.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8274/feat33fight6vv0.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3589/feat41fight1qs9.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3068/feat41fight2jl8.jpg
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7456/feat41fight4vn3.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/139/feat41fight5tr3.jpgOnce again, I know he can't possibly do any real damage to Loki, but the fact that his attacks couldnt even make him flinch suggest Loki was either amped or it was a poor showing for Spider-man.
That is exactly what I'm talking about.
And Loki wasn't amped. He didn't have anything to amp him in the entire storyline. Any suggestion to the contrary is misinformation.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusWell, if we're being serious.. give Spider-man enough time and enough resources he should be able to easilly get rid of Hulk for good. Reed should be able to do that with 3 minutes prep. PIS/CIS is the only thing stoppig him.
Really? Because if I remember the scene correctly, it had a very serious/grim tone. Earlier on, they discussed it and it was very conflicting IIRC because killing the Hulk meant killing an innocent man.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I honestly dont get how can you look at all those scans and say they all involve Hulk being unbalanced or not ready or whatever. The first scan, yeah Ill give you that. Maybe. Even there he saw it coming and was ready for it, they were in the middle of a fight. As for the rest of the scans, most of them just show Spider-man punch hard enough to make them flinch or move from the attack. Same with Masterson, there's no "context" to excuse the attacks clearly having some effect. And as I said those are just few out of many many scans where Spider-man proved he can punch hard enough for class 100 to at least register the attacks. But Loki taking his punches that way.. even if its not an amp then its definitely a poor showing for Spider-man compared to his average ones and not counting his best ones..
Reread those scans again, because the vast majority of them involve Spider-Man attacking while the opponent is off guard or off-balance. Look at the first one you posted even. Hulk lunged for Peter, missed and hasn't even gained a solid footing yet by the third panel, which is exactly when Spidey jump kicks him -- and didn't do any damage. Amped Professor Hulk is lashing out and not trying to soak punches. Every single one of the last four involves either Spidey hitting Masterson from behind, or kicking/punching him when he's trying to talk him down or help him, or using his agility to keep him off-balance.That is exactly what I'm talking about.
And Loki wasn't amped. He didn't have anything to amp him in the entire storyline. Any suggestion to the contrary is misinformation.
Originally posted by SamZEDIs Hulk off-balance from just having sailed across a room (his left foot isn't even planted)? Yes. Was Spider-Man leaping in and out of an enraged Professor Hulk who was mindlessly flailing around? Yes. Was Masterson kicked from behind? Yes. Was Masterson rushing over to help Spider-Man and unexpectedly but received a punch to the face (Eric's own fault, but still)? Yes. Was Masterson kept off balance from Spider-Man's attack/agility style? Yes.
I honestly dont get how can you look at all those scans and say they all involve Hulk being unbalanced or not ready or whatever. The first scan, yeah Ill give you that. Maybe. Even there he saw it coming and was ready for it, they were in the middle of a fight. As for the rest of the scans, most of them just show Spider-man punch hard enough to make them flinch or move from the attack. Same with Masterson, there's no "context" to excuse the attacks clearly having some effect. And as I said those are just few out of many many scans where Spider-man proved he can punch hard enough for class 100 to at least register the attacks. But Loki taking his punches that way.. even if its not an amp then its definitely a poor showing for Spider-man compared to his average ones and not counting his best ones..
It wasn't a low showing by Spidey. Spider-Man isn't in their class. And when these characters assert their durability and soak up punches without being caught off-guard or off-balance, his attacks are mere nuisances.
Holy crap, Spider-man almost pulled a "Firelord win" vs Masterson Thor, till Thor let loose with that thunderblast. Kinda hard to deny he was hurting him, Masterson Thor said so on panel.
Loki was probably "amped" by his own magics, that could be one way to explain it. Because physically I don't think he's in Thor or Hulk's league.
Stupid inconsistencies in comics......... 😕
Originally posted by zopzopFact that it bore such a resemblance to SMvFL is an indication of its overall worth.
Holy crap, Spider-man almost pulled a "Firelord win" vs Masterson Thor, till Thor let loose with that thunderblast. Kinda hard to deny he was hurting him, Masterson Thor said so on panel.Loki was probably "amped" by his own magics, that could be one way to explain it. Because physically I don't think he's in Thor or Hulk's league.
Stupid inconsistencies in comics......... 😕
Loki wasn't amped. There is no inconsistency as beings on this level who aren't caught off-guard or off-balance treat Spidey's blows like nuisances. Loki can survive being battered by an amped Seth, take a torrential beatdown from Thor's fists with a snarl, shrug off Mandarin's blasts as easily. Loki is not physically weak.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Yes, ok. I can agree about this scan.
Is Hulk off-balance from just having sailed across a room (his left foot isn't even planted)? Yes.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0No to all. That's like saying Tyson knocked me down because he was moving around me to fast or counterattacked me while I was trying to hit him, otherwise I would've taken the punch no problem. Hulk was attacking, Masterson tried to fight back. And yet Spider-man's punches/kicks clearly had effect on them. The fact that he was moving, using his agility or attacking while they were trying to throw a punch doesnt make it any less legit, that's how all fights go. Otherwise one could use that same logic for any other fight. Not to mention I can post a dozen more exampes.
Was Spider-Man leaping in and out of an enraged Professor Hulk who was mindlessly flailing around? Yes. Was Masterson kicked from behind? Yes. Was Masterson rushing over to help Spider-Man and unexpectedly but received a punch to the face (Eric's own fault, but still)? Yes. Was Masterson kept off balance from Spider-Man's attack/agility style? Yes.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Ofcourse he's not in their class, I never said he is and admitted he cant do any real damage to them. But he doesnt have to be in their class to make a class 100 feel his attacks. The Loki example is not a rule but an exception.
It wasn't a low showing by Spidey. Spider-Man isn't in their class. And when these characters assert their durability and soak up punches without being caught off-guard or off-balance, his attacks are mere nuisances.
Originally posted by zopzopMy point exactly. Its either that "amp" or (since there's no proof) a low showing, because he does that ALL the time. And if the looks on their faces isnt enough, in some of those instances characters he fights admit he hurt them on panel. No way around it.
Holy crap, Spider-man almost pulled a "Firelord win" vs Masterson Thor, till Thor let loose with that thunderblast. Kinda hard to deny he was hurting him, Masterson Thor said so on panel.Loki was probably "amped" by his own magics, that could be one way to explain it. Because physically I don't think he's in Thor or Hulk's league.
Stupid inconsistencies in comics......... 😕
Direct link maybe?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Fact that it bore such a resemblance to SMvFL is an indication of its overall worth.
Firelord could have killed Spider-man at anytime by using an omni-directional blast and admitted it on panel. But there was no "honor" in that. Eric had no qualms about unleashing such a blast. Hence Firelord lost, but Eric fended Spider-man off.
Loki wasn't amped.
By "amped" by his magics, I didn't mean he was using some outside force or plot device, I merely meant he did something with his magic and that's it. Like when he survived being beheaded by Baldur.
Originally posted by SamZEDWhat. The. Hell. How is Spider-Man ambushing Masterson Thor with a jump-kick from behind NOT catching him off-guard? How is Spider-Man punching Masterson Thor unexpectedly when he's only trying to help NOT catching him off-guard? This is ridiculous. Spidey bounces around with his agility to keep people off-balance. I don't even know why I'm arguing this. He can't go toe to toe with Hulk or Thor or Loki. He's tried, he's ineffective.
No to all. That's like saying Tyson knocked me down because he was moving around me to fast or counterattacked me while I was trying to hit him, otherwise I would've taken the punch no problem. Hulk was attacking, Masterson tried to fight back. And yet Spider-man's punches/kicks clearly had effect on them. The fact that he was moving, using his agility or attacking while they were trying to throw a punch doesnt make it any less legit, that's how all fights go. Otherwise one could use that same logic for [b]any other fight. Not to mention I can post a dozen more exampes.[/b]
Originally posted by SamZEDIt's the comic. And it's happened often. And there is a completely viable and cogent explanation for it. Deal with it however you like.
Ofcourse he's not in their class, I never said he is and admitted he cant do any real damage to them. But he doesnt have to be in their class to make a class 100 [b]feel his attacks. The Loki example is not a rule but an exception. [/B]
Originally posted by zopzopSPvFL is PIS.
Firelord could have killed Spider-man at anytime by using an omni-directional blast and admitted it on panel. But there was no "honor" in that. Eric had no qualms about unleashing such a blast. Hence Firelord lost, but Eric fended Spider-man off.By "amped" by his magics, I didn't mean he was using some outside force or plot device, I merely meant he did something with his magic and that's it. Like when he survived being beheaded by Baldur.
Loki's shrugged off Extremis Iron Man punches, Stormbreaker shots to the chin, etc. all immediately. He's wrecked buildings with a single punch. Loki's not physically weak. Loki's never increased his durability via magic. And projecting that onto the scene is wholly needless.
