Mr. Sidious vs. Mr. Dooku & Mr. Opress

Background: Feeling violated after their last holo-transmission in which Darth Sidious commanded him to engage in an impromptu performance of Sidious's favorite song (Kelis's hit single, "Milkshake"😉, the good Count Dooku aka Darth Tyranus has decided to accelerate his plans and topple his Master by a surgical strike to Coruscant.

There, accompanied by 25 MagnaGuards and 25 commando droids, Count Dooku and Savage Opress infiltrate the Senate building in pursuit of the Chancellor. As the droids tie up clone troops and other security personnel, the aging Sith Lord and his newly christened apprentice break into Palpatine's office.

As Dooku declares that his Master's milkshake has indeed brought all the boys to the yard (with decidedly less pleasant intentions), Darth Sidious retrieves his lightsaber and battle is met.

Incarnations of the characters are during the events of the Savage Opress arc.

Sidious gets pimp-slapped. 😄

Spoiler:
Or... he actually wins this.

So he either loses... or... h-he wins?

These are two outcomes I had never considered. mmm

Yes,... in a fight there are typically such outcomes to be expected.... 😕
Who knew?

Spoiler:
Alright, first he gets pimp-slapped, which angers him, a bit....
Then he wins.

Expect that the good Count and his apprentice have but a few critical minutes to slay the Commander-in-Sith before the droids are overwhelmed and the place is swarming with clone troops, Jedi, your mom, etc. This isn't necessarily a disadvantage, since few duels last longer than that.

Likewise, the 'office' in question is Palpatine's primary office in which we see the final moments of his duel with Mace in ROTS, not the smaller, private office.

Sidious keeps Savage on his ass using force lightning, and would probably injure Savage enough to completely take him out of the fight. Then Sidious will go on to defeat Dooku.

I know some will argue that Dooku is close to Sidious in the force, but I disagree with that. I do believe Dooku would give Sidious a run for his money in sabers, and is even probably more technically skilled than Sidious in that area. But Sidious' mastery and strength in the dark side is much greater than Dooku's. And I don't see Savage being skilled enough to even be a threat to Sidious at all.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Sidious keeps Savage on his ass using force lightning, and would probably injure Savage enough to completely take him out of the fight. Then Sidious will go on to defeat Dooku.

I know some will argue that Dooku is close to Sidious in the force, but I disagree with that. I do believe Dooku would give Sidious a run for his money in sabers, and is even probably more technically skilled than Sidious in that area. But Sidious' mastery and strength in the dark side is much greater than Dooku's. And I don't see Savage being skilled enough to even be a threat to Sidious at all.

In TCW, Opress couldn't even get close to Dooku when he and Ventress tried fighting the Count. He's a complete and total non-factor here.

Kind of an off related tangent, but it has always seemed a bit odd to me that Palpatine would regard lightsabers in such low esteem, as though they were some archaic weapon that was beneath his powa.

Yet in Dooku's battle with Yoda in AotC, he [Dooku] acted like lightsaber combat is the only way to truly test the worth of a Jedi/Sith: "It is obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the force -- but by our skills with a lightsaber."

Wat.Teh.Fuk..?

No. 😬

Dooku said that because he thought that he and Yoda were stalemated in the Force, so they should move on to lightsabers. Nothing more, nothing less.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No. 😬

Dooku said that because he thought that he and Yoda were stalemated in the Force, so they should move on to lightsabers. Nothing more, nothing less.

Dookus a duelist. Its what he thrives on. It comes as naturally to him as breathing. Palpatine is a narcasistic tosser. Its completely in character for him to think of himself above the silly jedi with their glow sticks. Plus unlike Dooku he does get to the point where he can fight without a lightsaber fairly comfortably.

Quote for 'the great equaliser' bit?

Originally posted by Nephthys
No. 😬

Dooku said that because he thought that he and Yoda were stalemated in the Force, so they should move on to lightsabers. Nothing more, nothing less.

They were far from stalemated though. Yoda casually absorbs and deflects Dooku's FL as if it were a nothing more than a mild nuisance.

If Yoda felt he could decide the contest with his knowledge of the force, why did he not press his advantage?

Also notice how I said 'he thought that he and Yoda were stalemated in the Force'.

Once again, why Yoda chooses the passive route during paramount confrontations is beyond me, but it is a consistent thread in his portrayal (on screen and on paper). The movie makes it abundantly xlear that Dooku's Force attacks we're of no direct threat to Yoda.

And yes, I know you said "he thought." I was just pointing that out.

I never said they were a threat.

Spoiler:
I do now though. Yoda was showing obvious strain with that last burst of Lightning. To suggest that Dooku is so far below him that he doesn't register as a threat is blatantly false.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I never said they were a threat.

Spoiler:
I do now though. Yoda was showing obvious strain with that last burst of Lightning. To suggest that Dooku is so far below him that he doesn't register as a threat is blatantly false.

You are blatantly false! Good DAY sir!!

oh noooooes, how did you discover my terrable secret!?

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Sidious keeps Savage on his ass using force lightning, and would probably injure Savage enough to completely take him out of the fight. Then Sidious will go on to defeat Dooku.

Fanboys wet dream: Sidious using force lightning while at the same time defending against Dooku's force and / or lightsaber attacks. This is not going to happen.

I know some will argue that Dooku is close to Sidious in the force, but I disagree with that. I do believe Dooku would give Sidious a run for his money in sabers, and is even probably more technically skilled than Sidious in that area. But Sidious' mastery and strength in the dark side is much greater than Dooku's. And I don't see Savage being skilled enough to even be a threat to Sidious at all.

Since when do the believes of a fanboy mean anything?

We know that Dooku is roughly on par with Mace Windu in terms of bladework. Yet he is certainly ahead of the Jedi Master, when it comes to offensive force powers and encorporating them in his lightsaber style. Dooku alone could possible defeat Sidious, once closing into melee range. Adding Opress will be overkill, either because Sidious has to focus on Dooku first while Opress hacks away at him with possible lethal result, or because he focuses on Opress first, which gives Dooku the time to close into melee range.

And there is no evidence that Sidious is that far ahead of Dooku in terms of force powers useable in combat. In fact, there is more evidence that Dooku is rather close to his master in terms of force abilities, with Dooku's applications of the force in the Clone Wars animated series and linked products.

Sidious' Force Lightning is far beyond anything Dooku has ever accomplished with it. Not only was he able to surprise, overpower and knock Yoda around with it* (a feat Dooku most certianly did not replicate) but he casually disintergrated a Sith Worm in it in Sithisis. Dooku's lightning made Opress kinda grunt and stumble around a bit. Sidious' would turn him into a charred husk.

And Dooku has never been able to blitz 3 Jedi masters in a few seconds either.

*Was he surprised by the sheer power of it? He can't of been just plain surprised by it because Sidious telegraphs the attack like a mother****er. He does look surprised though.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Dookus a duelist. Its what he thrives on. It comes as naturally to him as breathing. Palpatine is a narcasistic tosser. Its completely in character for him to think of himself above the silly jedi with their glow sticks. Plus unlike Dooku he does get to the point where he can fight without a lightsaber fairly comfortably.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Quote for 'the great equaliser' bit?