Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
You're expecting a retroactive retcon a la zero hour or infinite crisis to restructure all past events. You should know that a retcon is not always required to change all past events, as you're assuming. Rather, retcons establish new precedence.
A retcon, by definition, has to retroactvely change continuity. As it stands, the previous issues involving Galactus and the Nullifier are unaffected.
Galactus may have a connection to the UN, and he may be able to summon it back. However, even with the Abraxas example, it took like a whole page for him to do so. Maybe Galactus would rather enter into an oath and move onto another planet than risk some mortal pulling the trigger. He didn't have that option with Abraxas.
Originally posted by zopzop
@Power Cosmic IIWasn't it also canon when Doom drained him of his power, he shrunk to plain ol' Galan? How is that anything but what the comics portray him as : a POWERFUL physical being?
I'm so looking forward to MT4, I can't wait till Galactus is humiliated..............again.
I don't really see how that proves anything other than what I said before: Galactus is a product of mortal and abstract.
Take Galactus as a standalone character. Forget about his origins. You know that
1. He eats
2. He grows tired
3. His strength varies with how well he feeds (much like mortal man)
4. He employs science and technology (exactly like mortal man)
HOWEVER, you also know that
1. He has vast power and is capable of great feats (similar to other powerful physical entities)
2. His very existence means the universe functions in a normal fashion (much like some intrinsic property of the universe like time, gravity, etc....i.e., not at all like mortal man, and a property outside the scope of "just another powerful physical entity"😉
3. His death introduces an abstract concept into the multiverse, an abstract concept which is normally restrained by the energies in his own being (Roma stated that Eternity made sure Galactus existed in order to check Abraxas' influence. That right there has abstract properties to it...you exist to hold back an abstract concept from taking form and freedom...yet you eat and grow tired. Semi-physical, semi-abstract)
In other words, the entity Galactus is half man, and half cosmic power/entity/abstract/concept. Galactus is the only cosmic character that shares physical requirements with "normal" characters (eating, etc.), yet also serves as something as intrinsic as a concept. Reed separated the Power Cosmic from Galactus and Galan was the result. Again I fail to see the what the distinction is...I think you're conflating Galan the mortal man equipped with the Power Cosmic/Eternity aspect/cosmic "essence"/whatever with the actual being Galactus.
Example, Classic Venom is a composite of two beings. Eddy Brock and symbiote. Venom is half-man, half-alien. To say that Venom is entirely an earth-man is totally incorrect. The requirements of the symbiote exert an influence on brock's mind. When brock was removed from the symbiote, he either wanted it back immediately (in earlier stories) or he was deathly afraid of it and never wanted to be bonded to it again (in later stories). Regardless, Venom is the sum of two parts. Without the symbiote, Brock is just a man. Without Brock, Venom does not exist.
Without his powers, MJJ is just a mortal man. A powerful mortal man. But when MJJ died, nothing happened. That's the difference between a powerful physical being and one who is not wholly physical.
Originally posted by Wodenson
A retcon, by definition, has to retroactvely change continuity. As it stands, the previous issues involving Galactus and the Nullifier are unaffected.Galactus may have a connection to the UN, and he may be able to summon it back. However, even with the Abraxas example, it took like a whole page for him to do so. Maybe Galactus would rather enter into an oath and move onto another planet than risk some mortal pulling the trigger. He didn't have that option with Abraxas.
It didn't take the whole page. It took 6 words, 2 of which were "nothing."
A retcon "refers to the alteration of previously established facts in a literary work" per wikipedia.
Previously established facts:
1. Galactus could be threatened by the UN
2. Galactus was afraid of the UN
3. Galactus seemed unable or unwilling to recall the UN to his person
4. The UN's origins and properties were a mystery.
Newly established facts, per the Abraxas story? Won't list them, everyone knows what they are.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
When Johnny Storm was bestowed with the Power Cosmic and Cosmic Awareness, he also confirmed that Galactus is so far evolved beyond the mere physical that his eyes perceived him as a being his mortal mind could comprehend.
Correct. Johnny's power was the ability to "see" things that were ordinarily beyond the sphere of perception/understanding of normal beings.
Johnny went on to describe Galactus as "the physical, metamorphosed embodiment of a cosmos."
Which again, is yet another piece of evidence that supports the semi-physical, semi-abstract assertion.
Galan=physical man. Eternity of Galan's universe=abstract embodiment of time/the universe itself.
Galactus=Galan+Previous Eternity.
"Physical, metamorphosed embodiment of a cosmos" literally means, an entire universe made flesh and embodied bya physical form.
Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Previously established facts:1. Galactus could be threatened by the UN
2. Galactus was afraid of the UN
3. Galactus seemed unable or unwilling to recall the UN to his person
These facts haven't changed.
4. The UN's origins and properties were a mystery.
The UN's origin is still a mystery.
Originally posted by WodensonWhat would he be risking?
Galactus didn't just teleport it. He washed Abraxas with energy, causing him to scream -- then snatched it. He obviously didn't want to risk doing that with Reed.
You think Reed would have resisted better than Araxas and been able to pull the trigger?
Anyway, you're wrong and I'm right.
Originally posted by Mindset
You think Reed would have resisted better than Araxas and been able to pull the trigger?
Galactus had the option of backing off, taking an oath, and looking elsewhere for food. Maybe he could have taken it from Reed, but maybe Reed would have hit the button and blasted Galactus in the face the moment he flared up.
There was no alternative with Abraxas.
Still waiting for that retcon.
Originally posted by Wodenson
Galactus had the option of backing off, taking an oath, and looking elsewhere for food. Maybe he could have taken it from Reed, but maybe Reed would have hit the button and blasted Galactus in the face the moment he flared up.There was no alternative with Abraxas.
Still waiting for that retcon.
It was already provided to you Shrek. You just choose to ignore it. :-)
Originally posted by Wodenson
You don't even know what retcon means, so how could you possibly provide one?
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It's okay Shrek. I finally see why this is too hard for you to understand.
Fiona left you. That's why you aren't thinking clearly. Don't worry. You'll get over it soon. And then the Abraxas arc will make sense to you.
Originally posted by Wodensonare you really this dense or just trolling? regardles of his abilty to recall the UN (which was inserted into continuity after his first appearence and is therefore a retcon) galactus could have stopped reed's neurons from conducting the impluses to fire the artifact he believed to be the UN. so yes, it was PIS, no matter how you look at it. the plot required G to forget his own capacities.
Galactus had the option of backing off, taking an oath, and looking elsewhere for food. Maybe he could have taken it from Reed, but maybe Reed would have hit the button and blasted Galactus in the face the moment he flared up.There was no alternative with Abraxas.
Still waiting for that retcon.
now just accept that Galactus is an abstract and that odin isnt.
who stopped the cancerverse from invading the 616? abstracts did, as stated on panel, the abstracts of the 616 took on the abstracts of the cancerverse, indeed they held back the cancerverse (a corrupted eternity) itself. namely celestials, galactus and the proemial gods. lowly skyfathers were nowhere to be found because the threat was above their league