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It is a well known fact that the vast Kryptonian powers that make him Superman also made Kal-El immortal. He would watch as he outlived his parents, then his friends and then even his wife Lois Lane. Serving as the world's foremost champion he began to slow as the sadness of the losses began to grow. Legend then tells how close to the end of the twenty first century Superman Prime (as history will remember Kal-El) passed the responsibilities of being Superman to his heir, Superman Secundus, and created the Superman Dynasty. Then one day he left Earth.
His travels lasted from the 21st Century, and ended somewhere at the turn of the 700th Century. During his travels, he acquired vast abilities and skills from every being he met and gained perfection over all the abilities he received. When he returned he forged a covenant with his descendants, he would bestow upon them a small fraction of his immense power as long as they served for truth and justice. He also gained the abilities of his lineage and magnified them with his own power (for example, the Superman of the 67th century married the Queen of the 5th Dimension, GZNTPLZK, which in turn gave Superman Prime the abilities and magical powers of a 5th Dimension Imp). After the covenant he left and returned into his fortress of solitude in the center of the Sun. The time he spent there magnified his already incalculable powers to infinite levels; he could now weave all of time and space and shape reality at any level he desires. His strength and other countless abilities he gained also rose to infinite levels from the time he spent in the sun; he can destroy and recreate everything from a planet to even a Universe or an entire reality.
Powers
Superman Prime is one the most powerful beings that have ever existed. His power is so vast that it could exceed even powerful multiversal entities like the Anti-Monitor. Outside of non-corporal cosmic entities who are not limited to a singular form and are all-powerful for example the Presence, he is one of the most powerful beings in the multiverse. He has acquired countless powers and abilities from his travels and lineage that allow him to do anything he wishes, and range from incalculable strength to the manipulation of reality and even magic on a scale that defies description. He can control time, space, matter and energy, and bend reality on any scale he wishes.
Creation - Superman Prime is able to create lifeforms out of nothing.
Resurrection - Superman Prime can resurrect the dead no matter how long they were dead.
Omniscience - Superman Prime knows everything.
Omnipotent - Superman Prime can do anything.
Omnipresent - Superman Prime can be anywhere at any time.
All Kryptonian powers under a yellow Sun. All of his Kryptonian powers are enhanced manyfold.
- Super strength - His strength is limitless.
- Super speed - He can run or fly so fast it's not comprehensible.
- Super senses far above even godhood level.
- Super x-ray vision - He can see through any solid object, with no exceptions.
- Super heat vision - He can melt anything with no exceptions.
- Super breath.
- Infinite stamina/endurance.
- Super dexterity.
- Invulnerability - Nothing can penetrate him, in fact nothing can hurt him. Not even kryptonite can affect him.
- Immortality - Superman Prime is completely immortal, therefore he cannot die.
Weapons
Superman Prime holds the legendary last ring of the Green Lantern, probably the most powerful weapon in the Universe. The ring can bestow godlike powers to even a mere mortal, just imagine what a really powerful being can do with it.
Weakness
None
Originally posted by zopzop
This is also wrong. He's been shown bleeding before. He's been shown having a skull/skeletal structure. The writers are all over the place with this guy.PS When was the last time he was considered the balancing force between Death/Eternity? Because it seems the writers at Marvel have dropped that idea.
If you're talking about the skull during the Abraxas arc, that was an alternate Galactus, not the 616 one.
He's been mentioned as the balancing force as recently as last week's Silver Surfer #5.
Originally posted by zopzop
I get that, and that makes sense since they are destroying what the abstract represents.If someone destroys "hunger" or "balance" what happens to Galactus? Nothing, since he doesn't represent those concepts or any concepts.
You argue that Galactus is not an abstract and is strictly a physical being. No, Galactus is not an abstract in the absolute literal sense, but by no means is it correct for you and Woodenson to reduce him to a pure and simple physical being.
Galan of Taa + Previous iteration of abstract concept of Eternity (the Eternity of Galan's universe) = Galactus
That right there is enough to tell you he is neither wholly abstract nor wholly physical:
Your argument of "If someone destroys "hunger" or "balance" what happens to Galactus? Nothing, since he doesn't represent those concepts or any concepts" can be summed up in the adage "A square is a rhombus, but a rhombus is not a square."
If you destroy "balance," Galactus remains, true.
Other physical beings of comparable or "cosmic" power can also play this game:
If you remove "observation," the Watchers remain. And if you remove the Watchers, "observation" remains.
If you remove "evolution" the Celestials remain. And if you remove the Celestials, "evolution" remains.
If you remove Galactus, "balance" WILL be gone. That is the difference. If you destroy Galactus, as has been stated time and time and time again, balance eventually is removed and the universe will collapse under its weight.
No physical beings of comparable or cosmic power can claim that their absence will effect the universal natural law. Again, that is the in-between, semi-physical, semi-abstract properties of Galactus.
Originally posted by zopzop
If Galactus dies, what concept is now out of existence? Nothing since he doesn't represent a concept.
Tell me what you would say when you recall that if Galactus dies, what concept is now IN existence? The abstract embodiment of Destruction comes into being when Galactus dies. Again, this is wholly in line with my point: semi-physical, semi-abstract. What wholly physical beings of cosmic status represent no concept in an abstract sense, yet their death means the rampant existence - as opposed to the demise - of a concept?
Originally posted by Wodenson
That sounds nice and poetic, but it doesn't change Marvel history that the Nullifier can be used against Galactus, both as a weapon and as a bartering chip.
Originally posted by Wodenson
What did the Abraxas story retcon? No one has been able to provide a cogent answer.
Read the story again. Abraxas clearly referred to the Nullifier as the ace up his sleeve, all but goading Galactus that he was powerless against him while he held it. Galactus easily reclaimed the nullifier and then made his statement about it being a part of him.
Explain what is happening in that scene, other than an adversary threatening Galactus with the UN, and Galactus rendering that threat impotent while stating it was a part of him. All other instances of the nullifier being brandished against Galactus in the canon 616 universe have been prior to that particular encounter. They all followed the EXACT same situation between Abraxas and Galactus: Galactus appears before party A. Party A wields the Ultimate Nullifier and hopes to force Galactus to withdraw. Except, in the latest instance where a party is holding the Nullifier against Galactus, in the most recent depiction of that very situation which you have recalled again and again (Reed scenarios), G reclaimed the Nullifier and stated it was a part of him, completely removing the bargaining chip/implied threat that party A initially possessed. Where is there not a retcon?
Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
If you're talking about the skull during the Abraxas arc, that was an alternate Galactus, not the 616 one.He's been mentioned as the balancing force as recently as last week's Silver Surfer #5.
You argue that Galactus is not an abstract and is strictly a physical being. No, Galactus is not an abstract in the absolute literal sense, but by no means is it correct for you and Woodenson to reduce him to a pure and simple physical being.
Galan of Taa + Previous iteration of abstract concept of Eternity (the Eternity of Galan's universe) = Galactus
That right there is enough to tell you he is neither wholly abstract nor wholly physical:
Your argument of "If someone destroys "hunger" or "balance" what happens to Galactus? Nothing, since he doesn't represent those concepts or any concepts" can be summed up in the adage "A square is a rhombus, but a rhombus is not a square."
If you destroy "balance," Galactus remains, true.
Other physical beings of comparable or "cosmic" power can also play this game:
If you remove "observation," the Watchers remain. And if you remove the Watchers, "observation" remains.
If you remove "evolution" the Celestials remain. And if you remove the Celestials, "evolution" remains.
If you remove Galactus, "balance" WILL be gone. That is the difference. If you destroy Galactus, as has been stated time and time and time again, balance eventually is removed and the universe will collapse under its weight.
No physical beings of comparable or cosmic power can claim that their absence will effect the universal natural law. Again, that is the in-between, semi-physical, semi-abstract properties of Galactus.
Tell me what you would say when you recall that if Galactus dies, what concept is now IN existence? The abstract embodiment of Destruction comes into being when Galactus dies. Again, this is wholly in line with my point: semi-physical, semi-abstract. What wholly physical beings of cosmic status represent no concept in an abstract sense, yet their death means the rampant existence - as opposed to the demise - of a concept?
Read the story again. Abraxas clearly referred to the Nullifier as the ace up his sleeve, all but goading Galactus that he was powerless against him while he held it. Galactus easily reclaimed the nullifier and then made his statement about it being a part of him.
Explain what is happening in that scene, other than an adversary threatening Galactus with the UN, and Galactus rendering that threat impotent while stating it was a part of him. All other instances of the nullifier being brandished against Galactus in the canon 616 universe have been prior to that particular encounter. They all followed the EXACT same situation between Abraxas and Galactus: Galactus appears before party A. Party A wields the Ultimate Nullifier and hopes to force Galactus to withdraw. Except, in the latest instance where a party is holding the Nullifier against Galactus, in the most recent depiction of that very situation which you have recalled again and again (Reed scenarios), G reclaimed the Nullifier and stated it was a part of him, completely removing the bargaining chip/implied threat that party A initially possessed. Where is there not a retcon?
Nice wall of text, but we've seen 616 Galactus busted up and bloody (the Thanos series) and we've also seen in Quasar that Galactus was a "powerful PHYSICAL being" that rents out an M-body from the Dimension of Manifestations. That's all Galactus is : a POWERFUL PHYSICAL being. A being about to get his shxt pushed in by Asgard/Odin.
Originally posted by zopzopYou skipped over his major points and didn't address anything. Galactus will be repelled but I bet it won't be just by Odin which is the entire point.
Nice wall of text, but we've seen 616 Galactus busted up and bloody (the Thanos series) and we've also seen in Quasar that Galactus was a "powerful PHYSICAL being" that rents out an M-body from the Dimension of Manifestations. That's all Galactus is : a POWERFUL PHYSICAL being. A being about to get his shxt pushed in by Asgard/Odin.
Except, in the latest instance where a party is holding the Nullifier against Galactus, in the most recent depiction of that very situation which you have recalled again and again (Reed scenarios), G reclaimed the Nullifier and stated it was a part of him, completely removing the bargaining chip/implied threat that party A initially possessed.
So what part of continuity does this change? Reed still drove off Galactus with the Nullifier, and later tricked him into a second oath with a fake UN.
Where is there not a retcon?
Where is there a retcon?
Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
If you're talking about the skull during the Abraxas arc, that was an alternate Galactus, not the 616 one.He's been mentioned as the balancing force as recently as last week's Silver Surfer #5.
You argue that Galactus is not an abstract and is strictly a physical being. No, Galactus is not an abstract in the absolute literal sense, but by no means is it correct for you and Woodenson to reduce him to a pure and simple physical being.
Galan of Taa + Previous iteration of abstract concept of Eternity (the Eternity of Galan's universe) = Galactus
That right there is enough to tell you he is neither wholly abstract nor wholly physical:
Your argument of "If someone destroys "hunger" or "balance" what happens to Galactus? Nothing, since he doesn't represent those concepts or any concepts" can be summed up in the adage "A square is a rhombus, but a rhombus is not a square."
If you destroy "balance," Galactus remains, true.
Other physical beings of comparable or "cosmic" power can also play this game:
If you remove "observation," the Watchers remain. And if you remove the Watchers, "observation" remains.
If you remove "evolution" the Celestials remain. And if you remove the Celestials, "evolution" remains.
If you remove Galactus, "balance" WILL be gone. That is the difference. If you destroy Galactus, as has been stated time and time and time again, balance eventually is removed and the universe will collapse under its weight.
No physical beings of comparable or cosmic power can claim that their absence will effect the universal natural law. Again, that is the in-between, semi-physical, semi-abstract properties of Galactus.
Tell me what you would say when you recall that if Galactus dies, what concept is now IN existence? The abstract embodiment of Destruction comes into being when Galactus dies. Again, this is wholly in line with my point: semi-physical, semi-abstract. What wholly physical beings of cosmic status represent no concept in an abstract sense, yet their death means the rampant existence - as opposed to the demise - of a concept?
Read the story again. Abraxas clearly referred to the Nullifier as the ace up his sleeve, all but goading Galactus that he was powerless against him while he held it. Galactus easily reclaimed the nullifier and then made his statement about it being a part of him.
Explain what is happening in that scene, other than an adversary threatening Galactus with the UN, and Galactus rendering that threat impotent while stating it was a part of him. All other instances of the nullifier being brandished against Galactus in the canon 616 universe have been prior to that particular encounter. They all followed the EXACT same situation between Abraxas and Galactus: Galactus appears before party A. Party A wields the Ultimate Nullifier and hopes to force Galactus to withdraw. Except, in the latest instance where a party is holding the Nullifier against Galactus, in the most recent depiction of that very situation which you have recalled again and again (Reed scenarios), G reclaimed the Nullifier and stated it was a part of him, completely removing the bargaining chip/implied threat that party A initially possessed. Where is there not a retcon?
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But lets also get the priorities right. Galactus when Reed threatened did not stand to lose anything except not devouring earth, a lose that could be compensated for easily. However Abraxas holding the UN, having as his intend to destroy the entire multiverse, is a entirely different ballgame.
Originally posted by zopzop
Nice wall of text, but we've seen 616 Galactus busted up and bloody (the Thanos series) and we've also seen in Quasar that Galactus was a "powerful PHYSICAL being" that rents out an M-body from the Dimension of Manifestations. That's all Galactus is : a POWERFUL PHYSICAL being. A being about to get his shxt pushed in by Asgard/Odin.
You addressed none of my points and have put nothing forth. He is not a wholly physical being and you are selectively taking certain points in the character's story as absolute truth and ignore the overwhelming evidence that indicates the character is more than your simple "analysis" describe.
Classic Molecule Man>>>>>>>>>>>>>Galactus, and by your definition, a "POWERFUL PHYSICAL being." Yet even you can't be so dense as to fail to grasp the difference in that Molecule Man's death causes no averse effects to the natural order of the universe.
You failed to respond to how a purportedly purely physical being can hold back an abstract concept by his mere existence, and can and does serve as the balancing point between two abstract concepts. You simply think in black and white: Galactus has been shown to bleed. Yet he has also been shown to bleed energy and has been explained as recently as Annihilation to NOT be a simple biological being. He represents no abstract concept, yet how does a purely physical being block the pervasive existence of an abstract concept just by being alive?
You call it a wall of text because you see a wall of evidence that you have no way of refuting.
You should also know that your selective logic has not gone un-noticed. You question whether Galactus is still the balancing point between eternity and death because "it hasn't been mentioned lately"
So you place a premium on recent stories. Funny you expect recent evidence supporting the death/eternity balance issue, yet come running with scans/referring to stories from over 15 years ago to support what what YOUR interpretation of Galactus is supposed to be. Go ahead and ignore all the other recent story lines that have elaborated on his nature (Abraxas arc, Annihilation) while you continue to post scans of decade+ old issues to support your position while challenging others to come up with 1 week old evidence.
Originally posted by zopzop
Nice wall of text, but we've seen 616 Galactus busted up and bloody (the Thanos series)
For.
The.
Last.
Mother
F'ing.
Time.
This fits 100% with Galatcus' image. Our unworthy and primitive eyes perceive him as busted up and bloody because that's what we expect when he's attacked.
Yes, he can be attacked. Yes, all the other abstracts can be attacked, (and/or threatened to be attacked, scared of being attacked..) too, and many have been.
Originally posted by Wodenson
So what part of continuity does this change? Reed still drove off Galactus with the Nullifier, and later tricked him into a second oath with a fake UN.Where is there a retcon?
You're expecting a retroactive retcon a la zero hour or infinite crisis to restructure all past events. You should know that a retcon is not always required to change all past events, as you're assuming. Rather, retcons establish new precedence.
This whole Odin/Seed/Galactus can of Worms that Rage opened will turn out to be a retcon if true. Rage's position is that Asgard, or the originators of Asgard, existed before Galactus. Suppose Fraction literally says that next issue. That is a retcon.
So what part of continuity does that change? Galan still merged with Eternity in the Cosmic Egg as shown in a comic book in 1983. Galactus still stated on panel that Galan lived in the universe before the current one. Death still called Galactus the only being in all existence to have ties to the previous universe, the current universe, and the next universe. This retcon of Fraction's won't change all the previous on panel depictions. It will contradict them. It will be called a retcon because it explicitly contradicts them.
Originally posted by Cogito
For.
The.
Last.
Mother
F'ing.
Time.This fits 100% with Galatcus' image. Our unworthy and primitive eyes perceive him as busted up and bloody because that's what we expect when he's attacked.
Yes, he can be attacked. Yes, all the other abstracts can be attacked, (and/or threatened to be attacked, scared of being attacked..) too, and many have been.
Genius, I PROVIDED A SCAN FROM AN ISSUE OF QUASAR which said "Galactus is a powerful PHYSICAL being" that rents out M-bodies (Manifestation body) from the Dimension of Manifestations.