this is giving me a headache & it's total crap. if this holds true, their essentially giving bor a cherry picked retcon feat to bolster the super unparralled awesomeness that is thor/odin/asgard. all this because bor may have picked up the seed/egg & "planted" it. this sounds about as intense, inventive, & energizing a comic book reading sensory experience as putting my hand in warm water & pissing my pants. it's lame and belittles the character of galactus who is leaps, bounds, and infinitely more interesting a charcter than odin & bore. maybe there will be a major league twist at the end & galactus will tranfser them both into the egg, seal them in the dimension of stupid retcons, & collapse that dimension.
Originally posted by wildernesssJust be thankful Marvel isn't using the Egyptian creation myths to inspire these plots: "Atum was a self-created deity, the first being to emerge from the darkness and endless watery abyss that girdled the world before creation. A product of the energy and matter contained in this chaos, he created divine and human beings through loneliness: alone in the universe, he produced from his own semen Shu, the god of air, and Tefnut, the goddess of moisture. The brother and sister, curious about the primeval waters that surrounded them went to explore the waters and disappeared into the darkness." Wikipedia
this is giving me a headache & it's total crap. if this holds true, their essentially giving bor a cherry picked retcon feat to bolster the super unparralled awesomeness that is thor/odin/asgard. all this because bor may have picked up the seed/egg & "planted" it. this sounds about as intense, inventive, & energizing a comic book reading sensory experience as putting my hand in warm water & pissing my pants. it's lame and belittles the character of galactus who is leaps, bounds, and infinitely more interesting a charcter than odin & bore. maybe there will be a major league twist at the end & galactus will tranfser them both into the egg, seal them in the dimension of stupid retcons, & collapse that dimension.
Originally posted by wildernesss
this is giving me a headache & it's total crap. if this holds true, their essentially giving bor a cherry picked retcon feat to bolster the super unparralled awesomeness that is thor/odin/asgard.
How is this a cherry picked feat? How is it designed to bolster the awesomeness of Asgard? I don't see either of these things. They are simply story elements and do not appear to be specifically aimed at augmenting or depreciating anything.
If true, all it really does is make certain gods much older than previously thought. Galactus' established origin can reasonably co-exist with this new information.
^ It does reasonably co-exist in that the 616 universe and Galactus predate everything. Bor's actions came later after the 616 unvierse and Galactus had been established and he used the recovered World Seed that had been lying around in a space-time rift to create the World Tree and, thus, the Nine Realms.
The Nine Realms =/= the 616 Universe. Not even close. The Nine Realms = Asgard, Vanaheim, Muspelheim, Midgard, Lightalfheim, Swartalfheim, Hel, Jotunheim and Nifelhel.
Taking Odin's "time before time" purple prose as literal fact is foolish. How many times has "time before time" been used to describe something other than the universe that predated the 616 universe? It's been used to describe pre-human history, the prehistoric ages, pre-Earth history, etc. We already know how incredibly egocentric Odin is. It's wholly uncontroversial that he's going to refer to the pre-Nine Worlds time as the "time before time" since post-Nine Realms existence is all that he thinks is important.
Originally posted by Endless MikeNo. Just... just, no.
That's possible. Asgard could have existed before the 616 universe
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Taking Odin's "time before time" purple prose as literal fact is foolish. How many times has "time before time" been used to describe something other than the universe that predated the 616 universe? It's been used to describe pre-human history, the prehistoric ages, pre-Earth history, etc. We already know how incredibly egocentric Odin is. It's wholly uncontroversial that he's going to refer to the pre-Nine Worlds time as the "time before time" since post-Nine Realms existence is all that he thinks is important.
That would make sense if a HUMAN BEING was saying it and not a GOD. Time before time would mean different things to a human being vs a God.
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Originally posted by zopzopExactly. Humans only care about humancentric history. And as I suggested, as egocentric as Odin is, it is unsurprising he only cares about Asgardcentric history?
That would make sense if a HUMAN BEING was saying it and not a GOD. Time before time would mean different things to a human being vs a God.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ 👆 Exactly. Humans only care about humancentric history. And as I suggested, as egocentric as Odin is, it is unsurprising he only cares about Asgardcentric history?
The real question is whether or not Fraction is having Odin tell an Asgardcentric tale, or if he's using Odin to relay accurate information. I guess we'll find out soon.
Originally posted by Wodensonhe is not the embodiment of an abstract concept such as time or chaos, but powerwise he is abstract level and his being is one of the cornerstones of the universe, maintaining balance between eternity/infinity and death/oblivion. the other abstracts consider him a peer
Galactus is not an abstract, and we'll see how limited Odin is in comparison fairly soon.
Originally posted by Wodenson
He's not an abstract, regardless of his importance or how other abstracts perceive him. He's an alien who wears purple armor and flies around in a space ship eating planets for sustenance. He has a hairline. He's balding.
and despite all this, he is leagues ahead of odin
Originally posted by Wodensonwrong. he is a pure energy being whose mere presence warps reality. a being that has infinite dimensions and no dimensions at all. lesser beings project their own limitations onto him and so humans see him as human-like giant in an armor and other species see him differently.
He's not an abstract, regardless of his importance or how other abstracts perceive him. He's an alien who wears purple armor and flies around in a space ship eating planets for sustenance. He has a hairline. He's balding.
whenever he needs to interact with other abstratcs through an m-body he assumes the form of a talking star
all of this has been shown on panel several times
Originally posted by 753
wrong. he is a pure energy being whose mere presence warps reality. a being that has infinite dimensions and no dimensions at all. lesser beings project their own limitations onto him and so humans see him as human-like giant in an armor and other species see him differently.whenever he needs to interact with other abstratcs through an m-body he assumes the form of a talking star
all of this has been shown on panel several times
This is also wrong. He's been shown bleeding before. He's been shown having a skull/skeletal structure. The writers are all over the place with this guy.
PS When was the last time he was considered the balancing force between Death/Eternity? Because it seems the writers at Marvel have dropped that idea.