Originally posted by zopzopIt's safe to say he created Eight of the Nine Realms. As the World Tree being destroyed did not take Midgard with it, only the other Eight Realms (which were actually eaten by Fenris anyway).Then if that's the case, Bor isn't the creator God of the entire 616 reality "just" the 9 worlds.
My guess is that Midgard (Earth) already existed and the World Tree grew around it while begatting from scratch the other Eight Realms. Since all Nine Realms fall within the extensions of the World Tree (regardless of whether they were birthed from it), they're still dimensionally connected. It's the most feasible way to reconcile Earth still existing despite no World Tree being present with Odin's claims.
Or we can just say it's myth and flowery purple prose and not completely established yet.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusfacepalm x10.
The World Tree has always been of incredible importance to the Asgardian World and Fraction expanded on it. One of the first things he did was establish the World Tree and it's connection to an Infinite number of Universes:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/thor615003.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/thor615002.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/thor616014015.jpg/He turned the Nine Realms into entire Universes, that are the tip of an Infinite Number of Universes which is where the lost 10th World came into the fold. I'm guessing the World Tree it's the center of the Multiverse or something along those lines.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusGalactus is not a child of the World Tree.
Just to show that Fraction meant what he was saying about Universes:http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/thor61900304.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/37/thor61900506.jpg/There you go.
It's pretty straightforward. When the Universe was dying, Bor found the World Seed, planted it on his planet, and from there sprang up the World Tree, which began creation. That's the moment Galactus was born I'd guess but whatever, we'll wait until the arc finishes.
Neither were the World Eaters. They came from beyond the Nine Worlds themselves.
Midgard = Earth. Not the 616 Universe.
The seed, "Soul of God" existed in the previous universe and the one before that. It makes sure that the cycle of death and rebirth continues. It could have created galactus from the world tree from the old universe? The new galactus for the next universe will probably be created from the current world tree. Per Odin, Galactus wants to use it's power to make sure he is the galactus of the new universe and that he doesn't die when this universe does. jmho
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The World Tree has always been of incredible importance to the Asgardian World and Fraction expanded on it. One of the first things he did was establish the World Tree and it's connection to an Infinite number of Universes:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/thor615003.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/thor615002.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/thor616014015.jpg/He turned the Nine Realms into entire Universes, that are the tip of an Infinite Number of Universes which is where the lost 10th World came into the fold. I'm guessing the World Tree it's the center of the Multiverse or something along those lines.
Just to show that Fraction wasn't kidding when he meant Universes:
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/9664/thor616020021.jpg
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4594/thor616022023.jpg
http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/3143/thor616024025.jpghttp://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/thor61900304.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/37/thor61900506.jpg/There you go.
It's pretty straightforward. When the Universe was dying, Bor found the World Seed, planted it on his planet, and from there sprang up the World Tree, which began creation. That's the moment Galactus was born I'd guess but whatever, we'll wait until the arc finishes.
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Originally posted by Sin I AM
which in itself is bull since according to Zeus, Cronos is the creator of everything
Doesn't this make MORE sense than the confused crap we are stuck with now? But Rage is right, that scan is no longer valid and it's been retconned for better or for worse.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYou forgot beautiful. crackers
Okay all powerful and all wise ODG, since I'm clearly reading the scans wrong despite my pretty decent capabilities in that particular field, we'll wait until the arc ends and finish the discussion then.
Originally posted by DiesldudeIt could have created Galactus on its own. Why do people keep thinking that Galactus was a child of the World Tree? Nowhere is that stated.
The seed, "Soul of God" existed in the previous universe and the one before that. It makes sure that the cycle of death and rebirth continues. It could have created galactus from the world tree from the old universe? The new galactus for the next universe will probably be created from the current world tree. Per Odin, Galactus wants to use it's power to make sure he is the galactus of the new universe and that he doesn't die when this universe does. jmho
We already know the World Eaters were not children of the World Tree. They came from beyond the dimensional space it covers. So obviously things exist aside from the World Tree. The most obvious being Bor and Odin and his brothers snce they were supposedly there at its creation.
Bottom-line is, based on Odin's claim, the World Seed predated them all, which is the only claim Surfer actually confirms. And nowhere is it stated that the World Tree predates Galactus. The Seed and the Tree are not the same. And Galactus' intentions from Odin's and Surfer's own mouths are completely different.
Originally posted by zopzop
Sin check out this scan :Doesn't this make MORE sense than the confused crap we are stuck with now? But Rage is right, that scan is no longer valid and it's been retconned for better or for worse.
i really hate retconns but thanx for the scan. I just dont want to see Galan job to Odin. If this happens i forsee a cosmic shift and Marvel Earth becoming the axis again
Originally posted by Wodensonlol so the planting of the seed by bor caused ther big cruncha dn the following big bang? fat chance. not only is G's story well established, the phoenix force's role in the cycle (cruncha nd bang) is too. you are reaching beyond reason and none of this was actually stated in the comic, you are fabricating an order of events based on what odin said would happen in the future. the idea that Galan is not the sole survivor of the previous universe cause bor planted a seed is crap too.
In THOR 619, Odin explains that his family existed in the "Time-Before-Time"... in the "dying days of the Long-Now that ended with the birth of everything." (Translation: the end of the previous universe)Bor found the seed within a fissure in time-space. When he planted the seed, it gave rise to the World Tree which ended the "Long-Now" (previous universe), and created the Nine Worlds.
In MIGHTY THOR #3, the Silver Surfer says that the seed is an artifact from the "Time-Before-Time" (referencing Bor's era) and that it predates everyone.
When the Surfer leaves, Odin tells Thor that the seed survives the destruction of each universe, and then regurgitates that energy to create a new universe; a new World Tree; a new Galactus. The seed maintains that cycle.
Take from that what you will.
Originally posted by zopzopbor did not create eternity zop zop
You'd be wrong then. The movie only did modestly compared to titans such as the Spider-man or Batman franchises.
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=thor.htm
When you add up the production budget + marketing budget and subtract that from it's gross (keeping in mind the reduced income for the studio because of the way overseas markets work) they just barely made any kind of money on this movie.This isn't new. Rage had scans he posted long before this saying that Bor planted the seed that became the world tree. Bor is basically the creator God of 616 reality.
My prediction on the upcoming throw down : Surfer wins because of Thor's injury but Thor puts up a hell of a fight. Galactus LOSES vs Odin but the collateral damage is huge and Surfer gets his hands on the Seed and restores everything. Wait and see.
Originally posted by 753
bor did not create eternity zop zop
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The World Tree has always been of incredible importance to the Asgardian World and Fraction expanded on it. One of the first things he did was establish the World Tree and it's connection to an Infinite number of Universes:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/thor615003.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/thor615002.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/thor616014015.jpg/He turned the Nine Realms into entire Universes, that are the tip of an Infinite Number of Universes which is where the lost 10th World came into the fold. I'm guessing the World Tree it's the center of the Multiverse or something along those lines.
Just to show that Fraction wasn't kidding when he meant Universes:
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/9664/thor616020021.jpg
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4594/thor616022023.jpg
http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/3143/thor616024025.jpghttp://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/thor61900304.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/37/thor61900506.jpg/There you go.
It's pretty straightforward. When the Universe was dying, Bor found the World Seed, planted it on his planet, and from there sprang up the World Tree, which began creation. That's the moment Galactus was born I'd guess but whatever, we'll wait until the arc finishes.
@753
Check those scans.
Originally posted by zopzopI have, they dont prove what you think they do. asgard and the other 8 worlds are parts of the 616 and the infinity that is crosstime is compared in an analogy to the WT, but that does not mean the seed Bor planted originated all of CT and the asgardians just remained unaware of it. it was ana anlogya dn a myth.
@753Check those scans.
Galan was the sole survivor of the big crunch until actually proven otherwise.
Originally posted by 753
lol so the planting of the seed by bor caused ther big cruncha dn the following big bang?
Not quite. From what I surmise, a fissure in time-space appeared before Bor after the previous universe had collapsed, allowing him access to the cosmic seed/egg. Bor then planted the seed which birthed the World Tree, the Nine Worlds, and facilitated the creation of Galactus.
you are reaching beyond reason and none of this was actually stated in the comic, you are fabricating an order of events based on what odin said would happen in the future.
I'm not fabricating an order of events. I'm going by what has been revealed; don't shoot the messenger. There needs to be verification for what Odin has said, but I think you need to start prepping yourself.
the idea that Galan is not the sole survivor of the previous universe cause bor planted a seed is crap too.
Galactus could very well be the sole survivor of his universe. Bor and his kin could likewise have predated the universe because they existed on a separate plane of reality, as many other extradimensional entities do.
