Who can beat Galactus?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This argument was always flawed. At the time, the Celestials were intended to be beyond other entities, including Cosmics like Galactus. He'd have done no better than the Destroyer. Would have done worse unless he recently fed I'd wager. It should be noted, that this was at a point in time where Thomas was actively trying to tone down the Asgardians so they could better fit with the rest of the Marvel Universe. The shit he pulled was stupid and unnecessary.

Originally posted by zopzop
That's the thing though, they weren't shown just before it all ended. Only Galactus was left fending off the Engine. The Surfer even mentioned it on panel. Did they run? Have their M-bodies destroyed like Aegis? Or did they just give up and call it a day? Where were they?

this is commonly misread .......from my understanding the celestials were still there

Originally posted by zopzop
This isn't new. Rage had scans he posted long before this saying that Bor planted the seed that became the world tree. Bor is basically the creator God of 616 reality.

If you want to take Odin's word that the World Seed begat Galactus, fine. There's nothing that shows that when Bor planted it and grew the World Tree, the World Tree begat Galactus. They're not the same.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
this is commonly misread .......from my understanding the celestials were still there

Didn't the Surfer say only Galactus was left? I'm almost 100% sure that was the case and it was mentioned on panel.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
... no. Just... no.

If you want to take Odin's word that the World Seed begat Galactus, fine. There's nothing that shows that when Bor planted it and grew the World Tree, the World Tree begat Galactus. They're not the same.

Dude, Rage POSTED the scans.

Let's just wait until the arc's over. Just in case Fraction pulls a twist.

Originally posted by zopzop
Dude, Rage POSTED the scans.

the scans actually depicted the world tree creating galactus? or it alluded it to it thru storytelling and innuendos

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Cosmic fans the world over are all on suicide watch.

Pretty much what he said. The Cosmic/World Tree Seed is what will cause this Universe to end and in turn give birth to the new Galactus.

Odin seemed to be present during the previous cycle before the entity Galactus emerged.

I have no doubt that such a revelation will ruffle a few feathers. We can wait until the arc ends or Fraction makes a statement explaining the entire thing to conclusively end the discussion.

How can Odin be present when there was no universe to speak of?
That would mean the world tree came far after the universe was formed.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
the scans actually depicted the world tree creating galactus? or it alluded it to it thru storytelling and innuendos

No no. I'm referring to Bor finding the the World Seed that created the World Tree. In response to when you said this :

hmmmmmm........this does not bode well, i like the asgardians, but i feel like the wankage has gone on far enough,

The Asgardians are top dog at Marvel.

Originally posted by zopzop
Dude, Rage POSTED the scans.

The World Seed did, if you take Odin's word for granted, and it will do so again in the next cycle. Neither Bor, nor his sons precede (or operate beyond) the existence of the World Seed.

Originally posted by zopzop
No no. I'm referring to Bor finding the the World Seed that created the World Tree. In response to when you said this :

The Asgardians are top dog at Marvel. [/B]

which makes no sense, since they are only a planetary pantheon....their are shite loads of skyfathers thru-out marvel that dont get the same level of respect especially since the greeks are arguably stronger

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm reading it right now. I can repost the scans too. The World Seed endures beyond all times. But Bor didn't make it. He simply found it and he grew the World Tree.

The World Tree is the Cosmic Axis no? Bor was around and used the World Seed to create the World Tree. He's the creator God. Since he planted the Seed that gave birth to the Cosmic Axis.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
which makes no sense, since they are only a planetary pantheon....their are shite loads of skyfathers thru-out marvel that dont get the same level of respect especially since the greeks are arguably stronger

This was exactly my argument back when I hadn't seen the scans. But it's all right there on panel. I have NO idea why Marvel is doing this. In fact the stories made MORE sense back in the silver age when Odin explained the existence of other Gods and Pantheons to Thor. I even have the scan. But it seems that's been retconned.

Originally posted by zopzop
The World Tree is the Cosmic Axis no? Bor was around and used the World Seed to create the World Tree. He's the creator God. Since he planted the Seed that gave birth to the Cosmic Axis.

Surfer talking about the Galactus Seed

and LT beats Galactus

😛

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The World Tree lies among and betwixt the Nine Realms. It does not support or birth the entire 616 Universe.

Unless there's been a retcon, the World Tree is the physical manifestation of the cosmic axis.

^ For the Nine Realms. Not the entire 616 Universe.

You should know this because in the most recent Ragnarok, the World Tree was destroyed and the 616 Universe did not collapse.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
the World Tree was destroyed and the 616 Universe did not collapse.

Then if that's the case, Bor isn't the creator God of the entire 616 reality "just" the 9 worlds.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ For the Nine Realms. Not the entire 616 Universe.

You should know this because in the most recent Ragnarok, the World Tree was destroyed and the 616 Universe did not collapse.

excellent point.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The World Tree lies among and betwixt the Nine Realms. It does not support or birth the entire 616 Universe.

The World Tree has always been of incredible importance to the Asgardian World and Fraction expanded on it. One of the first things he did was establish the World Tree and it's connection to an Infinite number of Universes:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/thor615003.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/thor615002.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/thor616014015.jpg/

He turned the Nine Realms into entire Universes, that are the tip of an Infinite Number of Universes which is where the lost 10th World came into the fold. I'm guessing the World Tree it's the center of the Multiverse or something along those lines.

Just to show that Fraction wasn't kidding when he meant Universes:
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/9664/thor616020021.jpg
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4594/thor616022023.jpg
http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/3143/thor616024025.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
Dude, Rage POSTED the scans.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/thor61900304.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/37/thor61900506.jpg/

There you go.

It's pretty straightforward. When the Universe was dying, Bor found the World Seed, planted it on his planet, and from there sprang up the World Tree, which began creation. That's the moment Galactus was born I'd guess but whatever, we'll wait until the arc finishes.