Yes because thats a "little" detail. It sort of destroys the claim its even a real black hole, its probably got the strength of thousand tons units, give or take. The planetoids it can suck in just about (it took it a damn long time) were tiny and even mario without seemingly resisting just floated there. Further, theres no indication anyone tanked anything, the whole thing ended with a magic fairy teleporting them somewhere (mushroom kingdom?).
I'm sorry that Nintendo cannot program all of the galaxies in Super Mario Galaxy to be the actual size, or an accurate representation of the size, of a galaxy. I also apologize for the stars, the planets, and everything else that cannot be the perfect representation.
The explosion that created the black hole originated from under Bowser's feet. He felt it. And he felt the black hole, because it was another two or so minutes before the Lumas put a stop to the Black Hole.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Well at the moment the math is unimportant to me, if Bowser lands a hit on Kain he can throw him through the air. Not too useful and he struggled too.So Bowser has no special abilities you can bring up? only strength or durability?
Yes, Bowser struggled with a giant iron ball larger and denser than anything Kain or Raziel has ever touched. He's still much, much stronger and more durable than Kain. I imagine a punch from Bowser would break Kain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naAV-QDF1Ys#t=6m
Fire breath sufficient to burn multiple trees to ash in seconds. In Galaxy he teleports, launches shock waves, and does whatever this is.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I'm sorry that Nintendo cannot program all of the galaxies in Super Mario Galaxy to be the actual size, or an accurate representation of the size, of a galaxy. I also apologize for the stars, the planets, and everything else that cannot be the perfect representation.The explosion that created the black hole originated from under Bowser's feet. He felt it. And he felt the black hole, because it was another two or so minutes before the Lumas put a stop to the Black Hole.
They dont have to be, its a game with twisted rules, colourful little characters that make it hellava lot of fun!
I dont know what anyone felt, the explosion just seemed to be a flash of light, from what was essentially a giant fireball. Not even sure what this thing is, a blackhole? not likely, I would go with the 6k tons on his back being a better feat, less ambigious.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Yes, Bowser struggled with a giant iron ball larger and denser than anything Kain or Raziel has ever touched. He's still much, much stronger and more durable than Kain. I imagine a punch from Bowser would break Kain.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naAV-QDF1Ys#t=6m
Fire breath sufficient to burn multiple trees to ash in seconds. In Galaxy he teleports, launches shock waves, and does whatever this is.
More durable, based on? You imagine? thats some imagination, I think I will wait for the calculations.
Ok, nothing worth mentioning then.
Originally posted by Burning thought
They dont have to be, its a game with twisted rules, colourful little characters that make it hellava lot of fun!I dont know what anyone felt, the explosion just seemed to be a flash of light, from what was essentially a giant fireball. Not even sure what this thing is, a blackhole? not likely, I would go with the 6k tons on his back being a better feat, less ambigious.
It is indeed a fun game.
Nitpicking. Stop it.
Check the link Scenario posted for the weight. Speed is, from that vid, around 10m/s, 272MJ to Kain's 272KJ. And he has claws and usually used them. FYI that's the same claw tip as Raziel's but with 1,000 times the force behind it, the strength difference outweighs Raziel's claw to Reaver difference. AKA, sufficient strength to put Kain in the hurt locker.
Dunno about speed, but Bowser would need to be 100m/s+ (if his time powers are 1/5) to have the advantage. If he is supersonic then he greatly has the speed advantage.
Not really gonna argue on this much. If Bowser can get his hands on Kain he wins, if not than probably Kain if his powers work against him.
They dont look like raziels claws, infact they often look like small nails, although I would like to see how he consistently attacks please, when he uses his hands. Raziel uses a large trio of claws instead of swords in most cases, not sure how bowser uses his nails. Bowser would have to be proven to move at least at raziels speed and have claws of similiar dimensions. His technique is important because his entire body is 6k tons of strength, he would have to jump into the attack like Raziel did to Kain to match as well, if he does not jump into claw slashes then we have different figuires.
Chances of bowser getting his hands on Kain is pretty much zero anyway.
Size is also a factor, if Bowser is large and bulky in this thread, then his claws scale, as do the surface area they are striking.
Originally posted by Burning thought
More durable, based on? You imagine? thats some imagination, I think I will wait for the calculations.
Based on catching a cannonball larger than himself that likely weighs 6000 tons? That's a bit more than anything Kain has ever tanked, and would likely crush Kain in the same situation. Bowser breaks boulders and throws iron balls with casual punches, still quite superior to Kain's physical stats.
Ok, nothing worth mentioning then.
Fire being one of Kain's main weaknesses, and Bowser's most basic weapon. Also, Galaxy Bowser is able to use a Power/Grand Star to grow giant at will and summon meteors. And can fly.
Dunno about speed, but Bowser would need to be 100m/s+ (if his time powers are 1/5) to have the advantage. If he is supersonic then he greatly has the speed advantage.
The supersonic thing comes from Super Paper Mario and these enemies that attack with focused blasts of sound. All characters are capable of outrunning this.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Based on catching a cannonball larger than himself that likely weighs 6000 tons? That's a bit more than anything Kain has ever tanked, and would likely crush Kain in the same situation. Bowser breaks boulders and throws iron balls with casual punches, still quite superior to Kain's physical stats.Fire being one of Kain's main weaknesses, and Bowser's most basic weapon. Also, Galaxy Bowser is able to use a Power/Grand Star to grow giant at will and summon meteors. And can fly.
The supersonic thing comes from Super Paper Mario and these enemies that attack with focused blasts of sound. All characters are capable of outrunning this.
Wrong in all but the overall body strength.
I think fire is anyones weakness if it can burn them, but you cannot melt things of high durability without enough heat. If you think Kains standing around to take a breath of fire to the face then your not argueing from a clear perspective.
The whole supersonic thing seems a reach based on gameplay mechanics.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Wrong in all but the overall body strength.
The giant iron ball failed to harm him in any way. The sheer amount of force behind that is much greater than anything Kain has faced.
I think fire is anyones weakness if it can burn them, but you cannot melt things of high durability without enough heat. If you think Kains standing around to take a breath of fire to the face then your not argueing from a clear perspective.
Vampires are specifically weak to fire and it tends to kill them near immediately. Soul Reaver established this pretty well. Bowser's fire attacks are decent AoE and he has multiple styles, including just shooting fireballs everywhere or going giant to make the blast huge.
The whole supersonic thing seems a reach based on gameplay mechanics.
Sure.
Originally posted by The Scenario
The giant iron ball failed to harm him in any way. The sheer amount of force behind that is much greater than anything Kain has faced.Vampires are specifically weak to fire and it tends to kill them near immediately. Soul Reaver established this pretty well. Bowser's fire attacks are decent AoE and he has multiple styles, including just shooting fireballs everywhere or going giant to make the blast huge.
Sure.
Including 9.7 million tons PSI?
Not so sure about that, for example Raziel had to find a huge furnace to burn Dumah, you cant just set them alight and furthermore Kain is more durable than most if not all vampires, the reason it is better than most other forms of defeating them is because they cannot come back from it so easily, normal wounds they can heal from almost instantly (especially Kain) but fire? burns them up.
..Wha? Claws are claws. Kain's durability in your view is claw tips + 272,155 J, Bowser has claw tips + 272,155,422 J. Therefore he bypasses his best durability feat.
How a person utilizes their strength is their issues, no way to suggest that he cant put all his strength into a strike.
Not really, nothing says the tips dont stay sharp depending on size... nor is he that large in this thread.
Ahh right, I remember the thread for that. If not that then what is Bowser's speed?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I laughed. 😬 You ****ed up your math pretty badly there, boyo.
How do you know? youve not even seen my math.
Originally posted by BloodRain
..Wha? Claws are claws. Kain's durability in your view is claw tips + [b]272,155 J, Bowser has claw tips + 272,155,422 J. Therefore he bypasses his best durability feat.How a person utilizes their strength is their issues, no way to suggest that he cant put all his strength into a strike.
Not really, nothing says the tips dont stay sharp depending on size... nor is he that large in this thread.
Ahh right, I remember the thread for that. If not that then what is Bowser's speed? [/B]
Well no, claws are either one or two with an area of a blade edge or like Bowser seems to be, larger, thicker etc.
I will have to see him use it the same way.
You miss the point, if your large the surface area is larger. Like how Chronos has a huge area across his finger nails, comapred to mine.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Including 9.7 million tons PSI?
Where did that come from?
Not so sure about that, for example Raziel had to find a huge furnace to burn Dumah, you cant just set them alight and furthermore Kain is more durable than most if not all vampires, the reason it is better than most other forms of defeating them is because they cannot come back from it so easily, normal wounds they can heal from almost instantly (especially Kain) but fire? burns them up.
Zephon (sp?) got killed by having flaming eggs thrown at him. He caught fire and just died. People aren't usually that flammable, but I guess Vampires aren't exactly people, as they seem to catch on fire like paper.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
That's part of how I know. You've never once shown your work and I can't get that number to occur given Kain/Raz's strength if I /try/.
Wrong, I have shown it. Changed it, tried different things etc. You not seeing it does not change this.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Where did that come from?Zephon (sp?) got killed by having flaming eggs thrown at him. He caught fire and just died. People aren't usually that flammable, but I guess Vampires aren't exactly people, as they seem to catch on fire like paper.
Raziel.
Zephon has no durability feats. Hasty generalisation, Zephon is not the entire race, hence why I gave the example of Dumah, Zephon is very different in physiology to Kain.