Odin VS Galactus

[QUOTE=13445949]Originally posted by Wodenson
[B]Of course he does, but you didn't answer my question about Galactus and how he expended significant power dealing with Thanos.
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I will have to go and re-read the issue before I comment. As I mentioned, it's been a long time since I've read these, or any comic. Seeing as how biased you've proven yourself to be, I sure as heck am not going to draw any conclusions until I read the complete issue myself.

Then I can comment on it, or answer any questions you pose.

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Don't put words in my mouth.

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I did not put words in your mouth. You keep applying one standard to Galactus, then completely ignoring the FACT that Odin was forced to pull out a weapon to enhance his power. So why did he have to do this? Quit dodging the question and answer? If he wasn't struggling, then why was he forced to use a weapon, and why did he keep blasting away at an opponent who was plowing right through his attack if all this other power was available to him? Is he a moron? Or was it that he was giving it all he had in that particular attack, and failing?

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Odin wanted to slap Thanos down, he just didn't go all-out like he does against tougher opponents. Odin was in total control. He waited for the smoke to clear and asked Thanos if he had enough.

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In the end, after Thanos reached out and grabbed his weapon and they both went on a nice little ride. Odin spent the previous half of the issue boasting, and pretty much getting no-where. Unlike Galactus.

So Odin needed nearly over half an issue to accomplish what Galactus did in what appeared to be seconds.

Also, Thanos' own response:

Odin: "NO!" (When asked if he was ready to yield)

Galactus: "Stay your Hand!" (While smoldering on all 4)

In other words, Galactus accomplished another objective Odin was unable to - He broke Thanos - Thanos had enough of Galactus. With Odin, though battered, his will to continue the fight was still there no matter how 1 sided it was.

Originally posted by Mindset
Looks like a shield to me.

I don't think you can see an invisible shield destroyed, I'll have to check my physics book.

Originally posted by Mindset
I don't think you can see an invisible shield destroyed, I'll have to check my physics book.

Originally posted by Mindset
Looks like a shield to me.

And before anybody says that Thanos' shield signature has to be clearly drawn (because some artists do), no it doesn't. It wasn't even drawn when Omega assaulted him, just alluded to. Similarly, Magneto's shield signature is almost always drawn (wavey lines, purple haze, etc.). Some artists just choose the route of a splashing elliptical silhouette, like Jim Cheung here:

Unless you're dumb enough to think that Magneto deflects Doom's blast with his bare hand a short distance away from his actual hand. The fact that the blast doesn't touch his hand, that Doom's blast changes colors as it splashes away, that Mags is unaffected... is clearly evidence of a shield.

Same with Thanos in all three respects. The blast doesn't touch his chest, the blast changes colors as it splashes away and Thanos is unaffected.

@Onedumbo

That's why I stated being mentioned or drawn. With your criteria you can simply assume Thanos has his shield on all the time. The writer or artist always make it a point to let you know when otherwise you'd never know.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So this is the only time you've seen a Thanos shield destroyed without it being mentioned or drawn ?

Originally posted by Mindset
No.

The other time.

Originally posted by Mindset
The other time.

Originally posted by Mindset
I don't think you can see an invisible shield destroyed, I'll have to check my physics book.

Oh crap, what did I start by asking? 😮

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Nah, shield's silhouette was drawn. People see it. C'est la vie. Mods' ruling is we need evidence. Evidence is illustrated: There's a growing consensus on this. Most people just focused on the rest of the fight, probably because it's where Odin starts really pouring it on Thanos. But feel free to assume and prove Thanos was retarded.

I'm not going to prove a negative. The mods have already ruled on the matter that there was NO shielding. No shield was drawn.. nor shield alluded as being on or broken. It's pretty clear cut really. You want to say.. the writer didn't bother mentioning a shield... nor bother even drawing a shield. That is the blast hitting Thanos and dispering throughout his entire body nothing more. Similiar to what we see when Odin brought out his spear. The point is... just prior... The artist actually had a shield drawn in his fight vs. Thor.. a shield drawn and broken.. Yet in the next arc... his shields are no longer visible but instead clear with no sign of a shield what so ever. You would have a point if you could show me other times when Thanos had a clear shield and no shield was ever mentioned or alluded to. Problem is, that doesn't exist. The other time he had a shield you could see... it was alluded to and stated to be breaking. If you can find other instances of this theory of yours we'll talk.. problem is you have zero evidence of anything like this before or since. The evidence is that there was no shield.. there wasn't one drawn nor even shown what-so-ever... The burden of proof is on you.. and that picture which looks like countless of other pictures with energy dispering throughout the body of somebody with no shields on isn't close to enough.

^ Yeah, you're not stating anything we already don't know about the mods' ruling. Mods wanted evidence that shields are up. The splashing elliptical silhouette that many artists use to portray shields is there. On-panel.

You can't expect a totally different artist to draw Thanos' shields the exact same between comics. That's as stupid as expecting artists to draw characters with the exact body proportions between comics. Angel Medina (artist of Odin/Thanos fight) draws figures really bulky. Not evidence that Thanos had a physical amp when he was drawn skinnier in the previous comic. Heck, two different artists drew the Power Gem as being a diamond in one comic and an oval in the very next comic. That's not evidence that it changed characteristics. Same goes for shields, Doom in Secret Wars had his shields portrayed completely and portrayed not at all in different scenes by the two main artists.

I understand you're invested in arguments to the contrary. Why it is so controversial that Thanos had his shields up is your own personal problem. It's simply a rational conclusion, especially when combined with the evidence that was staring us in the face this entire time.

You have your opinions but having demanded strenuously for evidence and then refusing that clear evidence smacks of bad faith and double-talk. Deal with it.

It wasn't a shield, Thanos just tanked Odin's initial blast.

Here he's stunned when Odin lets loose with both hands :

So to summarize the arguments being made:

1. Odin is more powerful because Thanos was able to knock down Galactus, but not Odin

Problem: Galactus was cheap shot by Thanos, thus this argument holds no water. Unless the person making this argument was to claim that Odin cannot be knocked down when cheap shot.

2. Level of exertion. The claim is made that Odin was not "trying that hard" against Thanos. The evidence used was that he "could have grown to 1,000 feet tall" like he does against Surtur, etc. Since he did not do this, he must not have been trying that hard.

Problem: I could make the same argument about Galactus, but I would not, as it's a tired, 1-dimensional argument. So shall we assume that every time Superman doesn't speed blitz an opponenet at 1,000 times the speed of light he's not really serious?

How about Surfer? When he doesn't just transmute his opponent into a 90 day old rotten cantelope, is he just screwing around? Really, how many times has Odin fought serious opponents, and NOT grown to 1,000 feet tall? Was he just playing dice with ASGARD IN THOSE INSTANCES?

Sorry, it's a short-sighted argument. The fact of the matter is that Odin was pouring on the power, and upgraded to the use of a weapon. If I'm in a fight with someone I claim is nowhere near my equal, then I run over and grab a bat to smack my opponent with - Is this a sign of "not really trying" or a sign that maybe I under-estimated my opponent?

Sure, Thanos is not Odins equal offensively, but he is one heck of a durable creature. Even Odin seemed shocked that Thanos was still lucid.

Once again, the evidence suggests the opposite of your claim.

All I have time for now.

You call a CLEAR shield that doesn't even look like a shield clear cut evidence? You aren't trying to become a lawyer I hope, because working for a law firm as I do, you clearly don't understand the term clear cut evidence. I'm actually LOLing at you calling a shield that isn't drawn.. alluded to being there or broken as clear cut evidence HAHAHA. Please then, answer my question.. show me ANYTIME Thanos has no shields drawn (clear) and it also wasn't even alluded to. You brought up the ONLY other example of a clear shield.. guess what.. it was mentioned multiple times as being there... This one... doesn't come close to meeting the "clear cut evidence" even ODG style.

^ Don't try to move the goalposts. The rule is evidence. Not clear, unabashed, perfect to use in court undeniable evidence. I already showed an instance of an artist who prefers to draw shields with a splashing elliptical silhouette. There's dozens of examples out there of the same.

Anyway, the evidence is clear for most people. Not for you. Deal with it however you like.

Originally posted by zopzop
It wasn't a shield, Thanos just tanked Odin's initial blast.

Here he's stunned when Odin lets loose with both hands :

Nobody's saying Thanos can't tank Odin's blasts without his shields. He did, after all. His shields just failed him and he had to rely on natural durability and body armor thereafter. Just like what happened with his fight against PG Thor.

People it's not freaking rocket science. Thanos just tanked Odin's opening salvo. That's it.

Here is Odin tanking Thanos and Surfer's opening attack, completely unfazed :

Here Thanos lets loose with both hands and Odin is off balance :

That's what happened with Thanos. He tanked Odin's initial opening shot but then was stunned by Odin's letting loose with both hands :