Odin VS Galactus

Originally posted by zopzop
Why? He literally LIED TO THOR'S FACE and produced the "spirit" of his father and claimed it was the real Odin, RIGHT AFTER he "reduced Mjolnir to pudding". My argument is just fine.

Plus I produced scans stating that Mephisto could NOT BEAT THOR even in Mephisto's own realm. This isn't my opinion, this is stated on panel.

Mephisto's taken on worse. Deal with it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That's an association fallacy. I might as well argue that since your last argument was stupid, so must this one as well. In fact, let's run with that. 👆

Mephisto's taken on worse. Deal with it.

And yet he COULD NOT BEAT THOR in his own realm by his own admission and had to relinquish the souls he stole.

^ And yet, he's made Thor look like a weak feeb, encasing him in mystic mylar. He's taken on Galactus straight up, something Thor cannot do. Mephisto has admitted that he cannot slay Surfer, Doom, Strange, etc. He wants their souls.

You want to cherrypick, that's your prerogative.

Retconning 616 universe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything Thor's done.

Suck on that cherry for all its worth.

Originally posted by zopzop
Context.

Mephisto vs the Silver Surfer comes down to Mephisto NOT wanting to kill Surfer but break him, so he can lay claim to his soul. For all Surfer's power, he's still a mortal. On panel Mephisto claimed he could crush the Surfer whenever he wants but doesn't want to because he wants his soul. Then he proved it by kicking his @$$ and it took Galactus to save Surfer and Nova.

Basically the only thing that saves Surfer from Mephisto, is the Surfer's "pure soul" garbage.

Thor is a GOD. Big difference. Mephisto stated on panel that he could not beat Thor, even within Mephisto's own realm. Sure Thor wouldn't win either, but he wouldn't lose. The fight would go on for eternity.

Mephisto also admitted defeat to Surfer. You've probably seen the scan, but if not I'll try and locate it..

Regardless, you're saying Mephisto was using illusions/lying against Thor, yet being truthful against Surfer when he claimed his PC is nothing? Sounds like a double standard.

And like you admitted yourself, Mephisto did take on Big G:

If that's Mephisto's operating power level in his own realm, neither Thor nor Surfer have any business defeating him. At least, not on sheer power.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ And yet, he's made Thor look like a weak feeb, encasing him in mystic mylar.

Context genius. He was at death's door after the fight with the Serpent and cursed by Hela.

Suck on that.

Suck on that cherry for all its worth.

And Mephisto still can't beat Thor by his own admission as shown on panel.

Originally posted by cdtm

If that's Mephisto's operating power level in his own realm, neither Thor nor Surfer have any business defeating him. At least, not on sheer power.

Surfer never has without resorting to that "pure soul" garbage. But Thor at least stalemated Mephisto fair and square. I even provided the scan. He didn't beat Mephisto, but Mephisto admitted he couldn't beat Thor either and that they'd fight for eternity.

Originally posted by zopzop
Context genius. He was at death's door after the fight with the Serpent and cursed by Hela.

Suck on that.

Originally posted by zopzop
And Mephisto still can't beat Thor by his own admission as shown on panel.

Your description of Mephisto's tribulations with Thor echoes Surfer, Strange, Doom, etc. Nothing new. Deal with it.

Originally posted by zopzop

Context genius. He was at death's door after the fight with the Serpent and cursed by Hela.

Suck on that.

And Mephisto still can't beat Thor by his own admission as shown on panel. [/B]

"You will be mine, one way or another. I shall possess you!"

"by freeing my soul, you've handed me the means to victory."

"I see the truth in it. I-I cannot break him."

Your own scan proves Mephisto isn't trying to defeat Thor, but break and possess him.

And from Thor's words, it sounds like he's not even using a corporal form, but fighting as a spirit/soul. I can buy Thor "defeating" Mephisto by refusing to be broken and indefinitely defy him.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Which affected his physical body. His soul was released from his physical body. Read the comic, nimrod. Yeah, just play around with him like he does all heroes and tackle opponents far beyond Thor's own station.

Uhm he was dying and cursed by Hela. His soul was being fought over by two Death Gods. This wasn't a "normal" fight by any means. We saw what happened when a HEALTHY and LIVING Thor took the fight to Mephisto in Mephisto's realm. Mephisto couldn't do jack to him except stalemate him.

Your description of Mephisto's tribulations with Thor echoes Surfer, Strange, Doom, etc. Nothing new. Deal with it.

Except we have Mephisto stating on panel that he could not beat Thor in a straight up fight where Thor isn't a spirit, cursed or otherwise hampered.

Originally posted by cdtm
"You will be mine, one way or another. I shall possess you!"

"by freeing my soul, you've handed me the means to victory."

"I see the truth in it. I-I cannot break him."

Your own scan proves Mephisto isn't trying to defeat Thor, but break and possess him.

And from Thor's words, it sounds like he's not even using a corporal form, but fighting as a spirit/soul. I can buy Thor "defeating" Mephisto by refusing to be broken and indefinitely defy him.

Dude that was in responsible to OneDumb, Thor was DYING and cursed by Hela. It wasn't a fair fight. That was Thor's spirit that Hela and Mephisto were fighting over. 🙄

This is the scan I was referring to when I replied to you :

Originally posted by zopzop
Uhm he was dying and cursed by Hela. His soul was being fought over by two Death Gods. This wasn't a "normal" fight by any means. We saw what happened when a HEALTHY and LIVING Thor took the fight to Mephisto in Mephisto's realm. Mephisto couldn't do jack to him except stalemate him.

Originally posted by zopzop
Except we have Mephisto stating on panel that he could not beat Thor in a straight up fight where Thor isn't a spirit, cursed or otherwise hampered.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Here is Mephisto fighting Galactus and wrecking up the universe. He lost eventually, but it's a good showing.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
His body was dying and cursed. His soul retained its vigor. Read the comic.

Yeah, HIS SOUL. S O U L. It wasn't a fair fight at all. While healthy Thor fought Mephisto to a standstill in his realm. This is not in dispute, this happened on panel. It's not like something I'm making up.

Come back when you read this fight and you take your head out of your rear end:

And? Thor and 3 other Thor clones held up the multiverse with their Godblasts. Two Mjolnirs clanging together sent shockwaves throughout the universe. And more importantly, Thor fought that very same demon to a standstill in his realm. No cheating, no handicaps, no amps, nothing but a straight up fair fight.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, HIS SOUL. S O U L. It wasn't a fair fight at all. While healthy Thor fought Mephisto to a standstill in his realm. This is not in dispute, this happened on panel. It's not like something I'm making up.

Originally posted by zopzop
And? Thor and 3 other Thor clones held up the multiverse with their Godblasts. Two Mjolnirs clanging together sent shockwaves throughout the universe. And more importantly, Thor fought that very same demon to a standstill in his realm. No cheating, no handicaps, no amps, nothing but a straight up fair fight.

Mephisto and Galactus operate on far higher stations than you'd care to admit. And it shows when Mephisto treats Mjolnir like a child's toy.

I love ODG.

One would be hard-pressed to find a more biased recounting of these two incidents. Let's look at both of these shall we?

1. The opponent is girded for battle, and prepared for a fight

2. The opponent is unprepared for the attack

Yet you want to compare the two and claim this as proof that one is more powerful than the other, whilst ignoring the TRUE ON PANEL comparison of power levels?

Really, I can't imagine a more biased view! Ever heard of a sucker punch? Even the most battle hardened individual can be dropped by a substantially weaker opponent when hit with an attack while unexpected.

But when braced for an attack, that weaker opponent would be hard pressed to even rock the same individual.

This is what we see on panel. However, the resulting offensive strikes tell quite the different story than you attempt to portray:

Odin battles, and battles, and battles some more, even pulling out the big guns to enhance and focus and attacks. While we don't know how much time passed, it was quite obviously a lengthy affair. Several minutes at minimum.

When Galactus attacks Thanos, he attacks once. Pops Thanos' protective shield, (While taking the time to casually compliment him on it) and blasts Thanos while he cowers on all 4, and asks Galactus to stay his hand.

Look at Thanos' condition: http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6480/galactus48najh7.jpg

Compare this to Thanos WALKING right through Odins attack and GRABBING his weapon. Do you really think Thanos could have walked right through Galactus attack? Didn't think so...

These 2 scenes show quite clearly that an attack from Galactus trumps an ENHANCED attack from Odin.

At least that's what a non-biased analysis would reveal.

Originally posted by zopzop
Thanos blasted Galactus off his feet and clear across a planet/moon/whaterver and knocked his helmet off, leaving him a smoldering mess. The fact that it didn't hurt Galactus is meaningless since Thanos likewise didn't hurt Odin but NEVER humiliated him in such a fashion.

Now can you show me scans of Mephisto beating Thor, in or out of his realm? Because the best he did was stalemate. Otherwise STFU and move on with your BS.

given the rest of both characters' histories, it is safe to assume that thor stalemating mephisto is either mephisto playing the game or a 60 year old case of spider-man vs firelord. a thor vs mephisto in his realm fight would be closed for spite

Originally posted by ctnn1
These 2 scenes show quite clearly that an attack from Galactus trumps an ENHANCED attack from Odin.

Yes, Galactus attack trumped Odin's, but Galactus put in a greater quantity of his power into his attack than Odin did. Odin is likewise capable focusing his power into gigantic bursts, but he did not feel the need to against Thanos.

Odin did not fight Thanos as he does Surtur or Seth.

Originally posted by Wodenson
Yes, Galactus attack trumped Odin's, but Galactus put in a greater quantity of his power into his attack than Odin did. Odin is likewise capable focusing his power into gigantic bursts, but he did not feel the need to against Thanos.

Odin did not fight Thanos as he does Surtur or Seth.

Originally posted by Wodenson

Really? And where did you pull that information from? Did you read a different issue than I? I seem to recall that Odin felt the need to upgrade to using Gungnir? You're telling me that Odin didn't "see the need" to "focus his power" against Thanos, even though the whole reason he uses Gungnir is to "focus his power!!??"

So while Thanos was WALKING right through his blasts, he just stood there, "and didn't feel the need" to focus his power? lol

Okaaaaaay... Think I heard enough.

Originally posted by Wodenson
Yes, Galactus attack trumped Odin's, but Galactus put in a greater quantity of his power into his attack than Odin did. Odin is likewise capable focusing his power into gigantic bursts, but he did not feel the need to against Thanos.

Odin did not fight Thanos as he does Surtur or Seth.