Before anyone claims otherwise, I am NOT claiming that Thanos was a match for Odin. He clearly was not, and was losing that battle. However, he was absorbing Odins attacks far, far better than he was Galactus' attacks. That much is obvious to anyone who is looking at this from an unbiased perspective.
Originally posted by ctnn1
[B]You're telling me that Odin didn't "see the need" to "focus his power" against Thanos, even though the whole reason he uses Gungnir is to "focus his power!!??"
No, I'm saying that Odin didn't focus his power into gigantic blasts (expending large percentages of his energy), which he very well could have. Galactus ramped his power output to near maximum, and was weakened hitting Thanos with one shot.
So while Thanos was WALKING right through his blasts, he just stood there, "and didn't feel the need" to focus his power? lol
Would you say that was Odin's maximum output? Did you think Odin was as serious against Thanos as he has been against Surtur and Seth?
Okaaaaaay... Think I heard enough.
No one is preventing you from leaving.
See? Here's a perfect example of someone arguing with zero evidence, and nothing more than rhetoric.
=13445766]Originally posted by Wodenson
[B]No, I'm saying that Odin didn't focus his power into gigantic blasts (expending large percentages of his energy), which he very well could have. Galactus ramped his power output to near maximum, and was weakened hitting Thanos with one shot.
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Really? Show me on panel where it says Galactus was "near maximum?" Show me also where Odin says he is not? If you cannot, then you have no point.
The FACT of the matter, is Odin was forced to upgrade to using a weapon that enhances his attacks. A move that is made only when one is not getting the desired results from existing attacks. In other words, there's a very good chance he was "near maximum" without his weapon, otherwise he wouldn't have pulled it out! lol
Of course, we then see that he stands there and keeps blasting away at THanos even while he (Thanos) walks right through Odins blasts.
Do you mean to tell me that Odin was not exerting himself here? That he is such a moron, he stood there and attacked at a low power level even though his enemy was waltzing right through his blasts?
Wow...
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Would you say that was Odin's maximum output? Did you think Odin was as serious against Thanos as he has been against Surtur and Seth?
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What a pointless question. I can play this game too. Would you say Galactus was as serious about Thanos as he was about a universal threat? About the Celestials? About IG? Etc?
I await your answers.
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No one is preventing you from leaving.
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You have super-powers now too? Captain Obvious I see... Nice to meet you. 😄
I await your evidence that Galactus was "ramped to near maximum levels" as you claimed. Page number please...
Interesting how some on here can't seem to understand that. Instead, they make excuses for Odin... "Well, he COULD have done more, but he didn't... But Galactus, yea, he was doing all he possibly could..." lol
Originally posted by vince_slice
It's pretty obvious Galactus' power output >>> Odin's. Galactus pretty much one-shotted Thanos while Odin wasn't even able to KO Thanos after a prolonged battle.
Originally posted by ctnn1
Really? Show me on panel where it says Galactus was "near maximum?"
How does Galactus go from 'I just ate, I'm sated' to 'I'm depleted, I need food' in such a short time without ramping up his output?
The FACT of the matter, is Odin was forced to upgrade to using a weapon that enhances his attacks.
Odin could have tossed aside Gungnir, grown 1000' tall, and tore into Thanos like he does Surtur and Seth. He didn't because Thanos is not that level of opponent.
Do you mean to tell me that Odin was not exerting himself here?
Not to any great extent, no. It is admirable of Thanos to withstand what he did, but that was not Odin's best by any means.
What a pointless question. I can play this game too. Would you say Galactus was as serious about Thanos as he was about a universal threat?
Galactus was serious about slapping down Thanos, because he expended enough energy on him to significantly deplete himself, right after having just consumed a planet. This was a rare, fully-fed Galactus, and taking care of Thanos caused his energy to wane quickly.
Not sure what the prevailing argument is, but comments concerning the sucker shot nature of Thanos' assault on Galactus are apt.
Thor kinda sucker shotted Odin off his feet too in Fear Itself. That feat in isolation doesn't support him being more powerful than Thanos who barely (if at all) budged Odin in their fight.
How does Galactus go from 'I just ate, I'm sated' to 'I'm depleted, I need food' in such a short time without ramping up his output?
Odin could have tossed aside Gungnir, grown 1000' tall, and tore into Thanos like he does Surtur and Seth. He didn't because Thanos is not that level of opponent.
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Once again your bias is showing! You apply one standard to Odin, while applying another to Galactus. Galactus has a million different ways to tear into Thanos. We've already seen that Galactus can warp reality and transmute (With a thought) opponents into little more than slime if he so chooses. He can also grow to thousands of feet tall as well, and simply step on Thanos.
He didn't. So my point stands. If you stand behind your claim, then you must accept the same for Galactus as well. So you're demonstrating your double standards here.
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Not to any great extent, no. It is admirable of Thanos to withstand what he did, but that was not Odin's best by any means.
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So you mean to say that you REALLY believe that he upgraded to using a weapon, and WATCHED Thanos walk through his attacks, all whilst claiming he was going to kill him - For fun? Wow...Just wow!
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One more question... (Sincere question) Was Thanos even using his shield against Odin? It's been years since I read that issue, and I don't recall if he was using it or not?
Originally posted by ctnn1Consensus is (a) Thanos had it up as you see Odin's initial blast splash outwards, silhouetting an elliptic sphere and were eventually busted, or (b) Thanos was a bumbling retard and forgot to turn them on the entire fight. Dur Dur.
One more question... (Sincere question) Was Thanos even using his shield against Odin? It's been years since I read that issue, and I don't recall if he was using it or not?
Originally posted by ctnn1
Once again your bias is showing! You apply one standard to Odin, while applying another to Galactus. Galactus has a million different ways to tear into Thanos.
Of course he does, but you didn't answer my question about Galactus and how he expended significant power dealing with Thanos.
So you mean to say that you REALLY believe that he upgraded to using a weapon, and WATCHED Thanos walk through his attacks, all whilst claiming he was going to kill him - For fun?
Don't put words in my mouth. Odin wanted to slap Thanos down, he just didn't go all-out like he does against tougher opponents. Odin was in total control. He waited for the smoke to clear and asked Thanos if he had enough.
One more question... (Sincere question) Was Thanos even using his shield against Odin?
Yes.
So Thanos fights with his shields on all the time.. Funny enough.. when he does so... we see them.... they are ALMOST always drawn and if they aren't drawn they are alluded to... See the Omega fight for an example. The fact is, Thanos doesn't always use his shields in fights just becuse he's going up against top flight opponents. See the Tyrant fight, Walker fight, Afro Magus fight, His own doppleganger for examples. There were ZERO shields depicted or even alluded to. The mods already ruled on this matter.. if there were no shields drawn nor shields alluded to.. there were no shields.. clear as pie.
Originally posted by Wodenson
Of course he does, but you didn't answer my question about Galactus and how he expended significant power dealing with Thanos.Don't put words in my mouth. Odin wanted to slap Thanos down, he just didn't go all-out like he does against tougher opponents. Odin was in total control. He waited for the smoke to clear and asked Thanos if he had enough.
Yes.
The answer is actually no as the mods have already ruled on this matter. There were no shields drawn or even alluded to.. thus no shields were used. Furthermore, you tried to argue that the CC was more powerful than Galactus own power when Doom acquired both... only problem is... you failed to mention nor explain why when Doom "dropped" the CC.. he didn't care nor even notice since he had Galactus power.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0There is nothing alluding to shielding going on in that scene. They aren't mentioned, drawn, or drawn cracking as they have in the same arc and as the force block was when it was used.
^ Different artists. And apparently, people do see shields in the Odin fight. As do I. Elliptical silhouette surrounding Thanos with the first blast. Have fun.Or have fun with Thanos rarely using his shields as is his nature, similar to, say, Loki.
Superman uses speed when necessary but not all the time that doesn't make him an idiot just because he doesn't use them all the time.
Thanos didn't die and wasn't ko'd without his shielding so how is he stupid ? If he was killed or ko'd I'd say you have a point.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiNah, shield's silhouette was drawn. People see it. C'est la vie. Mods' ruling is we need evidence. Evidence is illustrated:
The answer is actually no as the mods have already ruled on this matter. There were no shields drawn or even alluded to.. thus no shields were used. Furthermore, you tried to argue that the CC was more powerful than Galactus own power when Doom acquired both... only problem is... you failed to mention nor explain why when Doom "dropped" the CC.. he didn't care nor even notice since he had Galactus power.
Originally posted by cdtmThere's a growing consensus on this. Most people just focused on the rest of the fight, probably because it's where Odin starts really pouring it on Thanos.*Looks closely as image*... That's not how his shields are usually portrayed..
But, if he's tanking it to no effect, do you see the point where his "chest" should be? The little circle of white, where the blast dissipates? If that's the point where the blast contacts his chest, doesn't his chest look disproportionately extended to the way it usually does?. Plus, his chest seems to connect with his crotch...
I can see why someone might think this is a shield..
Edit: I'm not sure now. The more I examine the image, the more it looks like there's a small semicircle the blast is dissipating around, from head to crotch..
Originally posted by Wodenson
As far as I'm concerned, the matter of Thanos using a shield against Odin is settled. He did use a force-field, and it was clearly depicted in the artwork. I'm not going to try to convince you of something you're not going to budge on. You're a Thanos fanboy, and I understand that you'll never concede.
Originally posted by leonidas
i just think, looking at the pretty picture, the drawing is SHOWING a forcefield. the blast clearly changes colour well short of striking thanos's body adn there is a pretty clear rounded form to the blast. there is also that space right in front of his right fist and you can CLEARLY see the blast projecting PAST his fist.i think the colour change is quite definitive imo that the blast STRUCK something. and from where the colour change took place--well in front of thanos--i'm not sure how it COULDN'T be a shield. even i wouldn't draw a figure so poorly as thanos would have had to have been drawn for there to be no shield. 😬
Originally posted by Naija boyBut feel free to assume and prove Thanos was retarded.
After looking at that scan, again and again, that is certainly plausible i now feel. But once again you came to that conclusion without disregarding on panel depiction entirely...but instead relying on it. thats the core of the issue whether we allow ourself to be guided by on panel depiction or we project our assuptions onto it.