Odin VS Galactus

The art seems to indicate that shields were indeed up for the initial blast. After that, given the nature of the shields as the art portrayed them initially, for thanos to be affected in the way he was, then the shields would have had to be broken through.

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Similar to PG Thor fight.

Originally posted by zopzop
Thank you for proving my point! He tanked their initial salvo without even moving. Then after that, even their individual blasts started to phase him.

EXACTLY like what happened with Thanos!

Yet Odin wasn't using "shields" but Thanos was?

There literally is no point to be found. Like we keep telling you, your objections and disbelief that Thanos/Odin flinching more and more as the battle progressed makes no sense even if there was no shielding.

Originally posted by dmills
I support the shields theory. But for me the problem starts when we start extrapolating. So not only were shields up, but now when the blasts start to effect Thanos, "the shields were broken through". Not to say it isn't a reasonable assumption, but its still extrapolation nonetheless.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

What a goofy place to find oneself in. Let's be clear, the people who see the shields don't give a phuck about either argument. It has really nothing to do with what's portrayed there.

If that's the case, then those people probably shouldn't be discussing this issue in an Odin vs. Galactus thread.

^ Considering that I'm now perceiving the whole argument between those two camps revolves around whether Thanos had shields or not as if it were some definitive measure between Galactus and Odin (it's not... at all), talking about whether the shielding's there or not is actually on-point.

I'm just pointing out (as many others have done) that there isn't really a controversy when you just look at the art. Shields are there. People upset one way or another don't need to be, because it's not a proper measure of Galactus vs Odin anymore than Thanos not budging Odin and Thor staggering Odin is a measure of Thanos vs Thor.

It's ABC logic gone wild.

I say again.. Please REFER me to ANY Thanos fight where Thanos had shields that were clear and depicted as such and never mentioned AT ALL? The only time we've seen Thanos with clear shields is in his fight with Omega.. yet in that instance they were alluded to multiple times. There was no such thing in his fight with Odin. Just because Odin is powerful doesn't mean Thanos used shields. He didnt do so against Tyrant (more powerful than odin or at least equal to) didn't do so against The Walker, Afro Magus, doppleganger.. etc etc.

@KuRuPT Thanosi

You're wasting your time with "pro shield" crowd.

They have yet to explain how BOTH Thanos and Odin shrugged off the initial assault then were stunned by the follow ups and yet only ONE side was using shields.

^ Haha. Where in your warped mind does flinching in battle mean both characters must have shields or none of them can have shields? You see one person using shields briefly, the other doesn't. That isn't any different from PG Thor and Thanos. We don't see PG Thor using shields at all! "ZOMG, PG Thor didn't use shields but was flinching more and more... Thanos must not have used shields either (despite them being portrayed)!!!"

How does that make any sense?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I say again.. Please REFER me to ANY Thanos fight where Thanos had shields that were clear and depicted as such and never mentioned AT ALL? The only time we've seen Thanos with clear shields is in his fight with Omega.. yet in that instance they were alluded to multiple times. There was no such thing in his fight with Odin. Just because Odin is powerful doesn't mean Thanos used shields. He didnt do so against Tyrant (more powerful than odin or at least equal to) didn't do so against The Walker, Afro Magus, doppleganger.. etc etc.

Your pleas for more evidence is just another manifestation of your desperation willingness to move the goalposts. You wanted evidence they're there. The evidence is there. Trying to act like Thanos's portrayal by varying artists in Marvel is so homogenized that nobody would ever think of, much less be allowed, to portray his shields as a splashing elliptical silhouette is ridiculous and transparent. It's also ridiculous.

You don't like it, deal with it.

no, none of this matters.

odin has the power to show up his pg/"wm" son when he casually busted out of the force block, the same thor that broke thanos' shields. he certainly has the juice to not only make thanos want to use them, but he should be able to break them even easier than his son

disecting the panels for when such a thing maybe happened is loserish

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I say again.. Please REFER me to ANY Thanos fight where Thanos had shields that were clear and depicted as such and never mentioned AT ALL? The only time we've seen Thanos with clear shields is in his fight with Omega.. yet in that instance they were alluded to multiple times. There was no such thing in his fight with Odin. Just because Odin is powerful doesn't mean Thanos used shields. He didnt do so against Tyrant (more powerful than odin or at least equal to) didn't do so against The Walker, Afro Magus, doppleganger.. etc etc.

So, at the end of the day, Galactus one shot Thanos into submission while Odin couldnt do that in an entire comic featuring multiple attacks at increasingly powerful levels of force...

Galactus wins!

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depends on how well galactus has fed. the galactus that broke that shield in one shot had just finished devouring a planet. his energy level was very high.

i doubt anyone (not me at least) would say odin could defeat a very well fed galactus. however, we've also seen galactus UNABLE to penetrate quasar's shield with repeated blasts.....

depends on galactus's energy level. could a 'regular level g' have busted that shield so easily? and when have we EVER heard of g complaining about the energy expenditure it required to BREAK a shield--or anything for that matter. clearly it was NOT easy for him. would he have had enough juice to finish thanos? most likely. what if thanos blasted him again? wasted more of his energy.

i go back to what i said a long time ago--that scene was NOT a particularly impressive scene, considering thanos was dealing with a high energy galactus.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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Similar to PG Thor fight. ... that doesn't make any sense. Thanos was using shielding because we see it and it's not unexpected that he'd use it. Odin wasn't using shielding because we don't see it and he's never used it... ever.

There literally is no point to be found. Like we keep telling you, your objections and disbelief that Thanos/Odin flinching more and more as the battle progressed makes no sense even if there was no shielding. Ok... so his shielding was up the whole time and Thanos getting batted around is purely Odin amping up his attacks? Either, or? Maybe even a combination of both. PG Thor broke through right quick. Makes sense Odin did too. But, that's not necessarily dispositive of his shielding being there anyway and dissipating or being ineffective.

Ok fair enough. Just to play devils advocate, by the same measure wouldn't it be just as plausible (art depiction notwithstanding) that no shields were in use, Thanos tanked the preliminary blasts, and then Odin slowly started to tighten the screws? What would be wrong with taking that position?

Originally posted by dmills
Ok fair enough. Just to play devils advocate, by the same measure wouldn't it be just as plausible (art depiction notwithstanding) that no shields were in use, Thanos tanked the preliminary blasts, and then Odin slowly started to tighten the screws? What would be wrong with taking that position?

imo the art would clearly contradict this pov. 😬

Originally posted by leonidas
imo the art would clearly contradict this pov. 😬

Hence why I said "art notwithstanding". Imo the art incontrovertibly depicts some form of shielding. But for the sake of conversation let's assume it was bad art or whatever. Is there any particular reason why Thanos has to be using shields here?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Haha. Where in your warped mind does flinching in battle mean both characters must have shields or none of them can have shields? You see one person using shields briefly, the other doesn't. That isn't any different from PG Thor and Thanos. We don't see PG Thor using shields at all! "ZOMG, PG Thor didn't use shields but was flinching more and more... Thanos must not have used shields either (despite them being portrayed)!!!"

How does that make any sense? Give me a break. One piece of evidence needs to be perfectly duplicated by another piece of evidence to be evidence on its own? Guess Thanos never fought off a reality warping since he only did it once and never did it again the exact same way? Thanos' shields against Omega weren't even illustrated, IIRC.

Your pleas for more evidence is just another manifestation of your desperation willingness to move the goalposts. You wanted evidence they're there. The evidence is there. Trying to act like Thanos's portrayal by varying artists in Marvel is so homogenized that nobody would ever think of, much less be allowed, to portray his shields as a splashing elliptical silhouette is ridiculous and transparent. It's also ridiculous.

You don't like it, deal with it.

This is hilarious. The fact that BOTH Odin and Thanos tanked the initial blasts without flinching yet felt the later hits but you argue ONLY Thanos was using shields? 😆

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Haha. Where in your warped mind does flinching in battle mean both characters must have shields or none of them can have shields? You see one person using shields briefly, the other doesn't. That isn't any different from PG Thor and Thanos. We don't see PG Thor using shields at all! "ZOMG, PG Thor didn't use shields but was flinching more and more... Thanos must not have used shields either (despite them being portrayed)!!!"

How does that make any sense? Give me a break. One piece of evidence needs to be perfectly duplicated by another piece of evidence to be evidence on its own? Guess Thanos never fought off a reality warping since he only did it once and never did it again the exact same way? Thanos' shields against Omega weren't even illustrated, IIRC.

Your pleas for more evidence is just another manifestation of your desperation willingness to move the goalposts. You wanted evidence they're there. The evidence is there. Trying to act like Thanos's portrayal by varying artists in Marvel is so homogenized that nobody would ever think of, much less be allowed, to portray his shields as a splashing elliptical silhouette is ridiculous and transparent. It's also ridiculous.

You don't like it, deal with it.

You and others do know how evidence works right.... you do understand how you need to prove your case correct? You see, IF the shields were clearly drawn there would discussion. However, under your own admission there is no shields drawn... only what YOU perceive as a elliptical circular dispersion of energy around Thanos. So we have multiple problems with just using that as proof...

1.. First by your own admission and as you've argued... artist vary in their depiction of fights. It's just as probable that this particular artist drew a blast hiting thanos this way and never meant for there to be shielding... true or no? This has to be a possiblity as you've argued that very thing in this thread.
a. Especially considering that even subsequent blasts from Odin to Thanos and vice versa have a very similiar elliptical circular shape to them once they make contact. In pretty much EVERY blast you see a circular explosion of energy upon contact. Just because one was drawn at a differnt angle or slightly differnt doesn't mean OMGZ there are shields in this shot.

2. There needs to be evidence that backs up what we see on panel when it's not clear. There can be no argument that this isn't clear.. because after all we ARE TALKING ABOUT CLEAR SHIELDING lol. Is there ANY evidence that backs up him using shields? The answer is clearly no

So, once we get passed those two points.. you could further prove your case if there was some precendence for clear shields being drawn.. but very clearly there but never mentioned... Is there such a fight that could corroborate such a theory and give it credence... NO there is no such fight that ever shows such a thing. So what are we left with...

1. You still relying on artist depiction of fights, energy hiting something, shields or lack there of.. when by your own admission this can vary from artist to artist... Shoot even the same artist in the same comic might draw energy hiting something slightly different. By no means is this clear cut evidence.. not even close.

2. You have zero precedence to back up Thanos EVER using clearly shown (but not shown lol) shields but never being any mention of them. The ONLY time we've seen thanos use clear shields there were MULTIPLE mention of them being there. A far far cry from what we see here.

3. We've seen Thanos face even stronger or equal foes and NOT USE HIS SHIELDS.. So the argument that he must've considering it would be stupid if he doesn't falls on its face. We've seen him not use them for Tyrant and The Walker.. two people more powerful than Odin or at the least his equal.

These are the facts... in pretty much each energy blast after.. there is the same CIRCULAR dispersion of energy when it hits the target. That particular angle was the only one of its kind and hence why it might've been drawn slightly different. In the previous comic leading up to this one... Thanos used shields and there were CLEARLY shown. In the very next comic they weren't even mentioned let alone shown. These are the facts and more evidence then going with the... Well the artist KINDA made what looked like a shield.. so I'm going with it was a shield. In order to prove such a thing there would need to be other evidence than that because as we know.. even in the same comic similiar scenes can be drawn differently...

Originally posted by leonidas
imo the art would clearly contradict this pov. 😬

I like you Leo I really do.. but CLEARLY contradict this point of view. Come on man.. that is really reaching. There is NOTHING clear about CLEAR SHIELDS THAT WERE NEVER MENTIONED OR EVEN ALLUDED TO. That inheriently means it's not clear. Furthermore, if you read my post above.. you will also see that relying on how one artist draws one fight to the next fight in the same comic can vary. We've seen artist depict energy being dispersed in different ways in the same comic by the same artist. By no means is this proof positive of anything. In the comic in question.. we seen the same circular energy sphere after making contact whether there was shields or no shields. If there was a precedence for Thanos have clear shields but yet we can clearly know they are there but never mentioned.. that would help.. problem is THERE ISN'T. The other problem is... in the arc just prior Thanos has clearly defined shielding AND might I add in the vast majority of times SAVE ONE TIME.. he his shields are always shown and guess what about the ONE time they were clear... they were alluded to multiple times.

Dmils point stands... the same thing could be said about Odin.. Thanos tanked that blast.. Odin started to up his power output.. nothing more.

^ The evidence is right there: a splashing elliptical silhouette that extends around Thanos' entire anterior. Your double-talk backtracking doesn't excuse your blatant goalpost moving. You demanded evidence that Thanos used shields. There it is. End of story. Now you demand eivdence that Thanos shields have been portrayed invisible? Pretty sure they were invisible during the Omega fight. End of story. But, for you... who cares... amirite? Because you'll probably demand something even more or manufacture some new threshold of evidence afterwards.

Don't lecture me on what evidence means. This is the same horsesh1t that Wolverine fans demand when it comes to penetrating his brains through the eye. Enough of this crap.

And LULZ at pretending that a splashing elliptical silhouette that extends beyond Thanos' body is present every single blast thereafter. Haha. Anyway, artists draw shields differently. Marvel never passed down some editorial mandate that Thanos' shields must be drawn as a globe or a disc. Comic artists aren't so homogenized that they draw a characters' shields consistently comic to comic. Stop pretending otherwise and get your sh1te outta here.

Originally posted by zopzop
This is hilarious. The fact that BOTH Odin and Thanos tanked the initial blasts without flinching yet felt the later hits but you argue ONLY Thanos was using shields?

Flinching, has absolutely nothing to do with this. There is no causal connection between the two. And your false absolutes fallacy isn't persuasive.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
odin has the power to show up his pg/"wm" son when he casually busted out of the force block, the same thor that broke thanos' shields. he certainly has the juice to not only make thanos want to use them, but he should be able to break them even easier than his son

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ The evidence is right there: a splashing elliptical silhouette that extends around Thanos' entire anterior. Your double-talk backtracking doesn't excuse your blatant goalpost moving. You demanded evidence that Thanos used shields. There it is. End of story. Now you demand eivdence that Thanos shields have been portrayed invisible? Pretty sure they were invisible during the Omega fight. End of story. But, for you... who cares... amirite? Because you'll probably demand something even more or manufacture some new threshold of evidence afterwards.

Don't lecture me on what evidence means. This is the same horsesh1t that Wolverine fans demand when it comes to penetrating his brains through the eye. Enough of this crap.

And LULZ at pretending that a splashing elliptical silhouette that extends beyond Thanos' body is present every single blast thereafter. Haha. Artists draw shields differently. Marvel never passed down some editorial mandate that Thanos' shields must be drawn as a globe or a disc. Comic artists aren't so homogenized that they draw a characters' shields consistently comic to comic. Get your sh1te outta here. Because it's portrayed that Thanos used shields and Odin didn't. Yes... it is possible that one opponent uses shields and the other doesn't. Particularly when one character has historically used shields and the other character has never used shields. Even more particularly when we see one character using those shields and we don't see the other character using any shields.

Flinching, has absolutely nothing to do with this.

You obviously don't know how presenting and proving a case works...

Question...

1. Do artist vary on how they draws the same thing even in the same comic? Has this EVER happened?

2. Now of course the answer to no. 1 is yes if you're being honest. So then how with any certainty can you say there were shields.. when we've seen minor differences in the same comic occur all the time.

3. Are you denying that in subsequent blasts.. that there was a circular energy sphere upon contact? Are you really disagreeing with this?

4. You obviously don't know how the burden of proof works... If NO shields are drawn or EVEN alluded to.. there ARE NO SHIELDS by default. You need to have more than a simple possible artist drawing it a little different from a different angle to change that burden of proof to being on your side. Yet THAT IS ALL YOU HAVE.. something that could easily just be a writer drawing this particular blast hiting Thanos SLIGHTLY different. That by no means shifts the burden of proof to the other side. You keep on bringing up the Omega fight.. and saying you think he used clear shields.. I've been saying HE WAS USING CLEAR shields.... Problem is.. they were alluded to as being up.. even calling them 3 shields and they were again mentioned when they were broken. NOTHING like what we have here... No mention of them being up.. no mention of them being broken... ooo and the most importnat thing... No shields EVEN DRAWN.