Odin VS Galactus

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You obviously don't know how presenting and proving a case works...

Question...

1. Do artist vary on how they draws the same thing even in the same comic? Has this EVER happened?

2. Now of course the answer to no. 1 is yes if you're being honest. So then how with any certainty can you say there were shields.. when we've seen minor differences in the same comic occur all the time.

3. Are you denying that in subsequent blasts.. that there was a circular energy sphere upon contact? Are you really disagreeing with this?

4. You obviously don't know how the burden of proof works... If NO shields are drawn or EVEN alluded to.. there ARE NO SHIELDS by default. You need to have more than a simple possible artist drawing it a little different from a different angle to change that burden of proof to being on your side. Yet THAT IS ALL YOU HAVE.. something that could easily just be a writer drawing this particular blast hiting Thanos SLIGHTLY different. That by no means shifts the burden of proof to the other side. You keep on bringing up the Omega fight.. and saying you think he used clear shields.. I've been saying HE WAS USING CLEAR shields.... Problem is.. they were alluded to as being up.. even calling them 3 shields and they were again mentioned when they were broken. NOTHING like what we have here... No mention of them being up.. no mention of them being broken... ooo and the most importnat thing... No shields EVEN DRAWN.

Fact is, we never see a cascading spherical silhouette that extends apart and around Thanos' body after the first salvo. Guess, like Galan007 has asserted, the shields were just gone thereafter.

And for you to pretend that there aren't examples of cascading spherical silhouettes is deceitfulness. I already posted just such an example in this thread. Magneto isn't blocking Doom's blasts with his bare hands. Furthermore, I don't have the scans, but multiple people have mentioned that during the Omega fight, we don't actually see the shields either. That's a complete non-issue anyway as it is simply a rebuttal to your moving the goalposts to evade the simple truth: we see the shields.

Get over it. Your prevarications around that are completely disingenuous. There's nothing controversial about Thanos using shields, particularly when we see them. Stop acting like this affronts all comicbook sanity.

It is clear that Thanos used his shields at the beginning of the fight, but without seeeing Odin bust them, it makes more sense to assume that Thanos stopped using them, not because he is stupid, but because they weren't compatible with his offensive strategy. Has anyone seen Thanos throw a punch or blast while maintaining shields? I don't think I've even seen him walk while they are activated. Clearly they are a powerful but highly cumbersome defense.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Seriously, go cry in your milk some more. Your questions are complete red herrings and outright misrepresentations.

Fact is, we never see a cascading spherical silhouette that extends apart and around Thanos' body after the first salvo. Guess, like Galan007 has asserted, the shields were just gone thereafter.

And for you to pretend that there aren't examples of cascading spherical silhouettes is deceitfulness. I already posted just such an example in this thread. Magneto isn't blocking Doom's blasts with his bare hands. Furthermore, I don't have the scans, but multiple people have mentioned that during the Omega fight, we don't actually see the shields either. That's a complete non-issue anyway as it is simply a rebuttal to your moving the goalposts to evade the simple truth: we see the shields.

Get over it. Your prevarications around that are completely disingenuous. There's nothing controversial about Thanos using shields, particularly when we see them. Stop acting like this affronts all comicbook sanity.

So you can't answer them.. Your SOLE proof is how an artist might've drawn a shield.. but you can't answer the question of if artist draw things different even slightly in the SAME COMIC. ANSWER THE QUESTION????? It's a simple one. Have artist EVER drawn a similar thing in the exact same comic slightly different? You know the answer is yes... you don't want to admit it because it trashes your ONLY evidence of a CLEAR SHIELD NOT SHOWN NOR EVEN ALLUDED TO lol. You have argued countless times that artist draw things different in the same comic and from artist to artist. So if that is an unquestioned truth that this can happen.. how can you say with certainty that his wasn't the case once again? You can't. The burden of proof is directly on your side.. We have Thanos clearly depicted shields in the comic just prior to this one.. we have NO SHIELDS drawn or even hinted at in the very nect comic. ALL we have in slightly different shapes of energy being dispersed in a spherical manner. Nothing more. No mention of them there.. no mention of them being broken. In all of Thanos appearance there is ONE time where a shield wasn't shown.. in all the other times.. it was clearly shown.. yet that one time IT WAS TALKED ABOUT TWO SEPERATE TIMES AS BEING THERE. Did that happen here.. nope. You do know what corroboration means right? Something you can do in any single other Thanos appearance ever. As stated.. the mods ruled.. No shields shown.. no shields mentioned EVER.. there were no shields. Peirod.

Originally posted by Simbon
It is clear that Thanos used his shields at the beginning of the fight, but without seeeing Odin bust them, it makes more sense to assume that Thanos stopped using them, not because he is stupid, but because they weren't compatible with his offensive strategy. Has anyone seen Thanos throw a punch or blast while maintaining shields? I don't think I've even seen him walk while they are activated. Clearly they are a powerful but highly cumbersome defense.

Exactly... Even if they were used.. which the evidence doesn't really support.. He clearly turned them off and they weren't broken. In EVERY instance where they have been broken it has been mentioned or directly shown... Omega, Galactus, Champion, PG Thor, SS.. etc etc... We cannot ever assume they were broken when that was NEVER EVER SHOWN.

^ That's enough. Artists have used the splashing elliptical silhouette extending beyond a person's body to portray shields. That's what we see on-panel. To pretend that Odin's initial energy blast isn't cascading away a short distance from Thanos' body and effecting a silhouette of a sphere is just an outright lie.

So is pretending that same effect is present every other time Thanos gets blasted. It's not.

Further demanding corroboration presumes that artists can never draw shields differently from each other. That's clearly false. Taken altogether, nothing you're blathering about amounts to an unsaid editorial edict where, "Comic artists must draw shields similarly to each other. And when one artist draws a cascading spherical silhouette, it doesn't count as shields unless another artist does so also." That rule makes no sense. Pretending that rule makes any sense insults my intelligence.

Unbunch your panties. This is not an issue anymore since the on-panel evidence has been pointed out. You're invested in spite of that evidence. It shows when you blatantly move the goalposts and conjure up imaginary comic book art rules. But this behavior isn't suffusing your delusions with any semblance of reality.

To recap using on panel evidence :

1) Both Thanos and Odin take each others initial hits without even moving :

2) Each subsequent blast now registers for BOTH combatants :

Odin's blast now stuns Thanos

Thanos blast now stuns Odin

Even the Surfer's blast now registers on Odin

So why is it if BOTH combatants (Thanos and Odin) originally shrugged off each others blasts, but then BOTH combatants (Thanos and Odin) started to "feel" the subsequent blasts? The most logical answer is the initial salvo was a feeling out, to gauge the opponent.

odin > amped thor > thanos' average shield

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah, it's not rocket science that there's clearly a splashing elliptical silhouette that extends beyond Thanos' body. A common depiction used by artists to show shielding. You don't see that silhouette with the second blast, now do you?

The shields are busted when Odin starts pouring it on. Same as when PG Thor busted Thanos' shields from the get-go and poured on the hurt.

When I say Thanos uses a shield I have proof not a theory.

@Zopzop

It is clear their opening blasts didn't phase each other but continued exposure were weathering them down. By onedumbgo's logic Odin erected an invisible shield as well. With his new theory I can start claiming shield whenever anyone no sells an attack.

Originally posted by zopzop
To recap using on panel evidence :

1) Both Thanos and Odin take each others initial hits without even moving :

So why is it if BOTH combatants (Thanos and Odin) originally shrugged off each others blasts, but then BOTH combatants (Thanos and Odin) started to "feel" the subsequent blasts? The most logical answer is the initial salvo was a feeling out, to gauge the opponent.

Then they both start ramping up their attacks. There's no secret hidden clue here that disproves Thanos using shields while Odin not using shields (an ability he's never exhibited).

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I like you Leo I really do..

awwww.... 😄

but CLEARLY contradict this point of view. Come on man.. that is really reaching. There is NOTHING clear about CLEAR SHIELDS THAT WERE NEVER MENTIONED OR EVEN ALLUDED TO.

this is a question of the MEDUIUM itself. if the art showed a picture of someone being punched in the face, but there was no mention at all by the person that they were punched in the face, would that mean they WEREN'T punched in the face?

in a comic, art and pictures work TOGETHER. language need not be present, nor is it NECESSARY. it is a GRAPHIC medium. the art is every bit (perhaps moreso) as important as the language. so, if the picture shows it, it is true. i don't need dialogue, or narration that OFTEN isn't present in comicbook scenes. language is often redundant in a comicbook. imo, the depiction of a shield is clear as day. that's enough for me. 😬

We've seen artist depict energy being dispersed in different ways in the same comic by the same artist. By no means is this proof positive of anything.

you seem to be using it as proof there IS no shield.....

In the comic in question.. we seen the same circular energy sphere after making contact whether there was shields or no shields. If there was a precedence for Thanos have clear shields but yet we can clearly know they are there but never mentioned.. that would help.. problem is THERE ISN'T.

doesn't HAVE to be mention of it. it's a comic--the pictures are information enough.

The other problem is... in the arc just prior Thanos has clearly defined shielding AND might I add in the vast majority of times SAVE ONE TIME.. he his shields are always shown and guess what about the ONE time they were clear... they were alluded to multiple times.

you've just told odg and me that different artists do things differently, but now you're saying you think that they would ALL do things the same way? all depict his shields the same? all writers would insist on being redundant and saying there is a shield when there is a shield drawn? you are free to interpret the art however you like, but insisting that THESE artists and writers would or SHOULD do things the way others have, clearly goes against what you said above about artistic differences.

Dmils point stands... the same thing could be said about Odin.. Thanos tanked that blast.. Odin started to up his power output.. nothing more.

could, but the art, imo, is not suggestive of that in the least. the colour change of the blast is completely convincing imo. nothing like that happened with regards to odin.

as for what happens next? was the shield broken or shut-off? COULD be either, i guess. doens't make sense to me that thanos would shut them off. we've seen thor break them. that's suggestive to me that they were likely broken. makes sense as well becasue clearly odin amped his output some. thanos later had to use his durability to handle everything that followed, which is what led to his barely being able to stand at the end.

i've no illusions that i'll convince you. by the same token, you'll not convince me there WAS no shield. like many others, i see the initial shield as pretty much an open-and-shut case. 😬

^ 👆

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thanos shrugged it off because we actually see the shields effectively dampening the opening salvo. Odin shrugged it off because he's just plain more durable and powerful than Thanos and we don't see any shields. Odin's apparently never used forcefields before anyway in his career.

Then they both start ramping up their attacks. There's no secret hidden clue here that disproves Thanos using shields while Odin not using shields (an ability he's never exhibited).

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ That's enough. Artists have used the splashing elliptical silhouette extending beyond a person's body to portray shields. That's what we see on-panel. To pretend that Odin's initial energy blast isn't cascading away a short distance from Thanos' body and effecting a silhouette of a sphere is just an outright lie.

So is pretending that same effect is present every other time Thanos gets blasted. It's not.

Further demanding corroboration presumes that artists can never draw shields differently from each other. That's clearly false. Taken altogether, nothing you're blathering about amounts to an unsaid editorial edict where, "Comic artists must draw shields similarly to each other. And when one artist draws a cascading spherical silhouette, it doesn't count as shields unless another artist does so also." That rule makes no sense. Pretending that rule makes any sense insults my intelligence.

Unbunch your panties. This is not an issue anymore since the on-panel evidence has been pointed out. You're invested in spite of that evidence. It shows when you blatantly move the goalposts and conjure up imaginary comic book art rules. But this behavior isn't suffusing your delusions with any semblance of reality.

Still avoiding the question I see... I'll ask again and see if you answer this time... Has the SAME artist in the SAME comic ever drawn... lets say.. energy, explosions or whatever similar thing you can think of different from panel to panel... HAS THIS EVER HAPPENED? You've argued for the very thing happening and just how a writer drawing it slightly different than the last time.. Which is why you won't answer the question.. because this is ALL you are relying on.. something that could very easily be just him drawing it slightly different. It has to be slight because in even subsequest blasts.. we see a very similiar circular sphere of energy glowing around Odin and Thanos.. pretty much exactly like we see in the first blast... so a slightly different drawing of energy hiting Thanos now means it was shielding LOL LMAO.... Again the mods have already ruled... there were NO shields drawn and NO shields EVER alluded to. Period. End of story.. you trying to use possible slight artistic depiction as proof of shields is laughable.

odin would have broken it even if it was there

/topic

Originally posted by psycho gundam
odin would have broken it even if it was there

/topic

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Still avoiding the question I see... I'll ask again and see if you answer this time... Has the SAME artist in the SAME comic ever drawn... lets say.. energy, explosions or whatever similar thing you can think of different from panel to panel... HAS THIS EVER HAPPENED?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You've argued for the very thing happening and just how a writer drawing it slightly different than the last time.. Which is why you won't answer the question.. because this is ALL you are relying on.. something that could very easily be just him drawing it slightly different. It has to be slight because in even subsequest blasts.. we see a very similiar circular sphere of energy glowing around Odin and Thanos.. pretty much exactly like we see in the first blast... so a slightly different drawing of energy hiting Thanos now means it was shielding LOL LMAO.... Again the mods have already ruled... there were NO shields drawn and NO shields EVER alluded to. Period. End of story.. you trying to use possible slight artistic depiction as proof of shields is laughable.

Shield is there. Odin busted through them easily with increased attacks like PG Thor did. End of story. No artificial comic art rule is being violated here. Thanos' character isn't being compromised here. Don't know why you're so invested in this when the standard you demanded, evidence of the shields, has already been provided convincingly.

Originally posted by leonidas
awwww.... 😄

this is a question of the MEDUIUM itself. if the art showed a picture of someone being punched in the face, but there was no mention at all by the person that they were punched in the face, would that mean they WEREN'T punched in the face?

in a comic, art and pictures work TOGETHER. language need not be present, nor is it NECESSARY. it is a GRAPHIC medium. the art is every bit (perhaps moreso) as important as the language. so, if the picture shows it, it is true. i don't need dialogue, or narration that OFTEN isn't present in comicbook scenes. language is often redundant in a comicbook. imo, the depiction of a shield is clear as day. that's enough for me. 😬

you seem to be using it as proof there IS no shield.....

doesn't HAVE to be mention of it. it's a comic--the pictures are information enough.

you've just told odg and me that different artists do things differently, but now you're saying you think that they would ALL do things the same way? all depict his shields the same? all writers would insist on being redundant and saying there is a shield when there is a shield drawn? you are free to interpret the art however you like, but insisting that THESE artists and writers would or SHOULD do things the way others have, clearly goes against what you said above about artistic differences.

could, but the art, imo, is not suggestive of that in the least. the colour change of the blast is completely convincing imo. nothing like that happened with regards to odin.

as for what happens next? was the shield broken or shut-off? COULD be either, i guess. doens't make sense to me that thanos would shut them off. we've seen thor break them. that's suggestive to me that they were likely broken. makes sense as well becasue clearly odin amped his output some. thanos later had to use his durability to handle everything that followed, which is what led to his barely being able to stand at the end.

i've no illusions that i'll convince you. by the same token, you'll not convince me there WAS no shield. like many others, i see the initial shield as pretty much an open-and-shut case. 😬

I'll ask you the same question I asked ODG... Has an artist ever in the same comic drawn the same thing.. whether it be energy blasts, colors upon hiting target, shape of sphere upon contact on target.. You know the answer is clearly yes... the same artist even in the same comic has drawn things slightly different.. nothing is exactly the same. So then, that being an absolute truth and a possibility.. how can you say with certainty there were shields.. when NONE were DRAWN and none were even implied at being there or broken. In EVERY instance of Thanos having his shields broken it is either mentioned or shown.. In the PG thor case shields are shown cracking.. in the omega case.. they are said to be failing.. yet here unlike EVERY OTHER TIME.. There was NO mention of them breaking.. nor were they even drawn (which again they have been drawn every single time except ONE.. just one.. where they were clear)

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
This has nothing to do with what we're seeing: a splashing elliptical silhouette that extends beyond and apart from a character's body that many artists have used to portray shields. We dont' see similar crap with the subsequent blasts. Stop lying about that. There is no splashing elliptical silhouette that extends beyond and apart from a character's body. We see Thanos and Odin engulfed by blasts or the energy touching their bodies. I've pointed this out several times. Ignoring that isn't helping your argument. At this point, your in full-on last word mode. Repeating your mistatements isn't advancing your delusions.

Shield is there. Odin busted through them easily with increased attacks like PG Thor did. End of story. No artificial comic art rule is being violated here. Thanos' character isn't being compromised here. Don't know why you're so invested in this when the standard you demanded, evidence of the shields, has already been provided convincingly.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If it was a Galactus shield I think he'd be far too weak to continue if it taxed a well nourished Galactus whose power greatly exceeds Odin's in comparison to Thanos' by Thanos' own words.