Odin VS Galactus

Originally posted by leonidas
really, no point in wasting your time. he's the biggest thanos fan (boy) out there. to assume there was a shield (as is clear to almost everyone at this point) would also imply it was logical odin broke said shield.

for some, that will never do. i've said umpteen times it comes down to how you interpret the scan. most see the shield. those who don't seem to have a..... real desire not to. 🙂

It's funny, when I saw the scan, I instantly thought there wasn't a shield. The art is way too subjective to interpret any shield, mixed with the fact that there's no text on panel or anything at all suggesting a shield. It's likely Thanos did use a shield, but it's hard to come to that conclusion, when there's nothing on panel to even remotely suggest it.

Originally posted by vince_slice
It's funny, when I saw the scan, I instantly thought there wasn't a shield. The art is way too subjective to interpret any shield, mixed with the fact that there's no text on panel or anything at all suggesting a shield. It's likely Thanos did use a shield, but it's hard to come to that conclusion, when there's nothing on panel to even remotely suggest it.

Originally posted by vince_slice
It's funny, when I saw the scan, I instantly thought there wasn't a shield. The art is way too subjective to interpret any shield, mixed with the fact that there's no text on panel or anything at all suggesting a shield. It's likely Thanos did use a shield, but it's hard to come to that conclusion, when there's nothing on panel to even remotely suggest it.

Originally posted by 753
👆 nothign abotu that "art" is clear

Exactly my point...people saying something is CLEAR CUT EVIDENCE is Fing hilarious... the only thing CLEAR is that there was no mention of a shield and no shield EVER shown.

Also at Leo... one of your major points on my it was a shield was you said it changed color upon impact with the "shield" go look at the scans of the fight.. you'll see this also happened throughout the fight..There was color changes at other points where the "shield" had already been "broken" what we can establish pretty safely is that if there was a shield there was no shield broken. Sure it's possible, but even the shiedl proponents have no proof what so ever that it was. If there was one, the evidence is on the side that he turned it off to go on the offensive. Peirod.

Originally posted by leonidas
really, no point in wasting your time. he's the biggest thanos fan (boy) out there. to assume there was a shield (as is clear to almost everyone at this point) would also imply it was logical odin broke said shield.

for some, that will never do. i've said umpteen times it comes down to how you interpret the scan. most see the shield. those who don't seem to have a..... real desire not to. 🙂

You have even less evidence suggesting the shield was EVER broken as ODG admits.... saying there was a shield is one thing.. saying ti was broken when that was NEVER shown or even implied is hilarious. If there was a shield.. thanos shut it down so he could attack and go toe to toe.

Originally posted by Wodenson
The bottom line is that Thanos simply isn't powerful enough to impassively tank a blast from Odin without protection. Odin is not a herald.

I truly hope this is a joke.. He's not strong enough to tank a blast from Odin eh.... Funny enough when Odin was got serious and put more power into his blasts and even brought out a weapon to increase said power and focus.. Thanos WALKED RIGHT THROUGH IT. Yet, umm, he's not strong enough to tank an inferior blast? That was one of the dumbest posts I've read in sometime.

But if Thor was able to shatter Thanos' shielding, I don't see how it can be argued that the far more powerful Odin wouldn't be able to as well..?

This is how I see it:
Thanos was able to tank Odin's opening blast, without so much as twitching. Two pages later, Thanos was literally hurled back by a second single-handed blast from Odin.

Couple the massive/rapid difference in Thanos' energy-soak, with the artist's depiction of Odin's first blast (which did not appear to even touch Thanos' person before dissipating), and I believe it is perfectly logical to assume Thanos had shielding up initially. There's really no other way to explain such extreme differences in his showings.

Originally posted by Galan007
But if Thor was able to shatter Thanos' shielding, I don't see how it can be argued that the far more powerful Odin wouldn't be able to as well..?

This is how I see it:
Thanos was able to tank Odin's opening blast, without so much as twitching. Two pages later, Thanos was literally hurled back by a second single-handed blast from Odin.

Couple the massive/rapid difference in Thanos' energy-soak, with the artist's depiction of Odin's first blast (which did not appear to even touch Thanos' person before dissipating), and I believe it is perfectly logical to assume Thanos had shielding up initially. There's really no other way to explain such extreme differences in his showings.

yep.

Originally posted by Galan007

Couple the massive/rapid difference in Thanos' energy-soak, with the artist's depiction of Odin's first blast (which did not appear to even touch Thanos' person before dissipating), and I believe it is perfectly logical to assume Thanos had shielding up initially. There's really no other way to explain such extreme differences in his showings. [/B]

It can easily be explained with the fact that Odin simply increased the power of his blasts progressively as the battle continued. If you notice your blasts aren't budging your opponent, what do you do? You use more power.

Originally posted by vince_slice
It can easily be explained with the fact that Odin simply increased the power of his blasts progressively as the battle continued. If you notice your blasts aren't budging your opponent, what do you do? You use more power.

Wait, didn't you just make this comment:

Originally posted by vince_slice
It's funny, when I saw the scan, I instantly thought there wasn't a shield. The art is way too subjective to interpret any shield, mixed with the fact that there's no text on panel or anything at all suggesting a shield. It's likely Thanos did use a shield, but it's hard to come to that conclusion, when there's nothing on panel to even remotely suggest it.

Very interesting.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yet you will assume that Odin increased his single-handed blast powa, despite absolutely nothing alluding to such?

Very interesting. [/B]

I'm not assuming anything. If you view the entire fight, it looks like Odin progressively increased his power output, to the point where he had to pull out his gungnir. This is why you see Thanos get more and more affected by Odin's blasts as the fight continues.

So the comment you made above only applies to instances you don't agree with? Good to know. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
So the comment you made above only applies to instances you don't agree with? Good to know. 👆

Do you think Odin used the same power output for all his blasts in his fight with Thanos? I find it highly unlikely.

Up until he pulls out Gungir, I don't see why that's an unreasonable assumption. His blasts do affect Thanos in their encounter, but he pulls out the spear to end the battle faster.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Do you think Odin used the same power output for all his blasts in his fight with Thanos? I find it highly unlikely.

You believe it's logical to assume that Odin increased his blast power, despite the comic never stating such. I/we believe it's logical to assume Thanos used a shield during the onset of the battle, based on the artistic depiction of Odin's first blast appearing to bend around Thanos without ever touching him.

How can you you call the former more logical than the latter? At least the latter has some type of evidence to support it. To me, it seems like you're only trying to apply the aforementioned comment you made to situations you disagree with. Just saying.

Originally posted by Galan007
But if Thor was able to shatter Thanos' shielding, I don't see how it can be argued that the far more powerful Odin wouldn't be able to as well..?

This is how I see it:
Thanos was able to tank Odin's opening blast, without so much as twitching. Two pages later, Thanos was literally hurled back by a second single-handed blast from Odin.

Couple the massive/rapid difference in Thanos' energy-soak, with the artist's depiction of Odin's first blast (which did not appear to even touch Thanos' person before dissipating), and I believe it is perfectly logical to assume Thanos had shielding up initially. There's really no other way to explain such extreme differences in his showings.

Well we have a few points here.. First, it CAN be easily explained by Odin simply raising his output and effort. In fact, that correspondence to exactly what we see throughout the fight. Both Odin and Thanos.. upping the stakes as the fight goes on. That is a very clear and logical explanation about what could've occured.

Further friend, I never said it doesn't make sense that Odin broke his shields... What i'm saying is simply following the evidence in question and what you can then call fact. First, there being shields for sure is no given... you would agree with this correct.. You think it's likely.. okay.. but it's not a given considering these two factors.. 1. One was never drawn which is typically how all Thanos shields are drawn.. even in the arc prior it was drawn and shown to be broken.. 2. There was no mention of him having shields or them being broken which has never happened in the history of Thanos. The one time they were drawn inv. they were mentioned and said to be broken. Which is perfectly logically since we CAN'T see them. So for those reason shielding isn't a given and facts in evidence. Therefore, to go even further down that path and base your conclusion on a uncertain premise is even more faulty i.e. his shields being broken. That can be even less likely to call a fact, soncidering the above.

That being said.. of course Odin has the power to break Thanos's shields eventually.. depending on which shields he brings.. Nobody is questioning he could break the same kinda shields PG Thor did... The one that depleted Galactus... well that is another matter all together. Point is artist have been very consistent with Thanos and his shielding which is why I believe the evidence is on the side of no shielding. People at Marvel don't just learn nothing about the characters they are drawing.. there are checks and balances and people make sure they are doing it right. in the arc JUST PRIOR.. Thanos shields were drawn like usual.. yet you expect me to believe this artist didn't read the arc he was continuing from and decided.. ya know what.. I'm going to draw.. inv. shields.. and never mention them... Seems very unlikely.

You would agree that the only evidence to suggest shielding is merky at best. It could be just how this artist decided to draw energy hitting Thanos from an angle not seen the rest of the fight. The same artist in the same comic has drawn exact things slightly different. It happens. Yet, that is the only piece of very evidence to support such a theory which could be easily explained by just how the artist had it drawn.. especially considering there was no mention. Which against defies logic.. if you draw an inv. shield.. like in the omega case.. it was mentioned being there on two seperate occasions. Yet this artist picking up from an arc which had his shields drawn and showed to be broken.. decides I'm going to draw this thing that kinda looks like it could be a shield and yet never mention it... I just don't see it that way friend. The only other piece of evidence people are claiming is the changing of color when it hit.. problem is.. there was changing in colors throughout that fight so that is zero proof of anything like I mentioned to Leo.

In conclusion.. sure it's possible there were shields.. but saying it's definate is plain faulty considering all of the above. Saying they were broken when there is zero evidence to support that is even worse imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm just using the bit of 'logic' you posted above, and applying it against the argument you're now trying to formulate.

You believe it's logical to assume that Odin increased his blast power, despite the comic never stating such. I/we believe it's logical to assume Thanos used a shield during the onset of the battle, based on the artistic depiction of Odin's first blast appearing to bend around Thanos without ever touching him.

How can you you call the former more logical than the latter? At least the latter has some type of evidence to support it.

You claimed Thanos was more affected by Odin's later blasts because his shield broke (an assumption based off very subjective art), and claim there to be no confounding explanations.

I presented to you a confound to your explanation, that being Thanos could have been more affected because Odin simply increased his power output.

You're explanation requires two assumptions, one based off subjective art that there was a shield, and the other being that Odin's blasts were all equal in power.

I prefer the more parsimonious explanation, one that requires less assumptions upon assumptions.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm just using the bit of 'logic' you posted above, and applying it against the argument you're now trying to formulate.

You believe it's logical to assume that Odin increased his blast power, despite the comic never stating such. I/we believe it's logical to assume Thanos used a shield during the onset of the battle, based on the artistic depiction of Odin's first blast appearing to bend around Thanos without ever touching him.

How can you you call the former more logical than the latter? At least the latter has some type of evidence to support it. To me, it seems like you're only trying to apply the aforementioned comment you made to situations you disagree with. Just saying.

One thing friend.. there IS evidence to support Odin increasing his power and trying harder.. the narration and him pulling out the spear. The spear alone proves beyond any doubt odin was raising the stakes throughout the fight. However, besides that there is narration that clearly shows Odin getting more and more irritated and wanting to end the fight. All the back and forth talk to me show Odin getting more and more annoyed with Thanos and him not backing down and thus increasing his power steadily as the fight goes on.

It should also be emphasized that Thanos was tapping into external resources to keep up with Odin. Just like he did with Walker. They weren't enough, but they enabled him to put on a good show.

Originally posted by Wodenson
The bottom line is that Thanos simply isn't powerful enough to impassively tank a blast from Odin without protection. Odin is not a herald.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I truly hope this is a joke.. He's not strong enough to tank a blast from Odin eh.... Funny enough when Odin was got serious and put more power into his blasts and even brought out a weapon to increase said power and focus.. Thanos WALKED RIGHT THROUGH IT. Yet, umm, he's not strong enough to tank an inferior blast? That was one of the dumbest posts I've read in sometime.