Originally posted by vince_sliceWhen Odin pulled out the Spear, he was trying harder. When he blasted Thanos with two hands, he was trying harder.
You claimed Thanos was more affected by Odin's later blasts because his shield broke (an assumption based off very subjective art), and claim there to be no confounding explanations.I presented to you a confound to your explanation, that being Thanos could have been more affected because Odin simply increased his power output.
You're explanation requires two assumptions, one based off subjective art that there was a shield, and the other being that Odin's blasts were all equal in power.
I prefer the more parsimonious explanation, one that requires less assumptions upon assumptions.
But you'd be hard-pressed to prove that the single-handed-energy-backhand he delivered to casually 'shew' Thanos away:
Was any more powerful than the single-handed blast he used initially:
Don't know why I'm still arguing, though. The artwork is clear to pretty much everyone. /shrug
Originally posted by Wodenson
Nope, it's not a joke. Thanos needed additional protection and resources to keep up with Odin.
Do tell.. what additional protection and resource was Thanos drawing on.. please.. do tell. The fact is, you were wrong and know it. Thanos could deal with Odin initial blast without shielding as he proved later on by going through an even more potent blast and walking right through it. Even if you believe he had some "dark" resource which is just a line that alludes to Thanos dark nature and affiliation with Death.. even if you assume it was something.. he had it at the start of the fight and thus that variable doesn't matter. All we know is that your statement was full of crap.
Originally posted by Galan007
When Odin pulled out the Spear, he was trying harder. When he blasted Thanos with two hands, he was trying harder.But you'd be hard-pressed to prove that the single-handed-energy-backhand he delivered to casually 'shew' Thanos away:
Was any more powerful than the single-handed blast he used initially:
Very subjective.. just like the art people are trying to call definate shields.. just as I stated in my long response to you. Point is, it could be more powerful that is possible. We also must consider that Thanos can soak up energy.. while blunt force trauma he can't and has been sent flying before.. while just taking energy blasts to the face with a smile. That is perfectly in line with Thanos's history.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi...We must also consider that Thanos had a shield up initially (as the artwork alludes to.)
Very subjective.. just like the art people are trying to call definate shields.. just as I stated in my long response to you. Point is, it could be more powerful that is possible. We also must consider that Thanos can soak up energy.. while blunt force trauma he can't and has been sent flying before.. while just taking energy blasts to the face with a smile. That is perfectly in line with Thanos's history.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
[B]Do tell.. what additional protection and resource was Thanos drawing on.. please.. do tell.
Both Odin and Walker notice Thanos is tapping into an external power source.
The fact is, Thanos doesn't face beings like Odin, Tyrant, or Walker -- and put up any kind of a showing -- without additional resources. I'm not saying he cheats, I'm just saying Thanos knows his limitations and makes preparations. He's not a Skyfather. He's an above-herald-leveler.
I know I just burst your bubble, but buck up and move on.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiIf Odin's initial blast appeared to be touching Thanos, then I'd agree. But to me (and several others) the blast appears to be spreading outward before it ever hits him- which is indicative of a force-field.
Of course it's possible.. just like it's possible there was zero shielding and just how the artist had that panel drawn.
I'll just keep it at that.
Originally posted by Galan007
...We must also consider that Thanos had a shield up initially (as the artwork alludes to.)
It's definitely a possibility Thanos used shields, but like I said earlier, the art is very subjective and I don't really see Thanos' shield when Odin attacks him initially.
Is there an example of Thanos' shields being almost skin tight? Most of his shields from his appearances are more bubble like (e.g., the Champion fight) or "shield" like (e.g., insane PG Thor fight).
Anybody who doesn't see it splashing away spherically a foot from his body has already made up their mind on what they want or don't want to see. And these continuing pleas for corroborating evidence (either misguided or hamfisted) aren't going to change what you don't want to see.
Galan007 already took the time to hold your hands through the differing reactions to Odin's one-handed shots (in itself, blatant supporting evidence). You don't want to see that either? Fine. You don't want to see that either. There's no constructive discussion to be had here when moving the goalposts is the knee-jerk reaction to everything.
Originally posted by WodensonThose external power sources are his power. Tech is a part of his standard equipment just like it is to Iron Man but not entirely. It's like gimping Thanos' own tech which wasn't cited in use here besides his personal tech but it's irrelevant sin e it's his standard equipment.
It should also be emphasized that Thanos was tapping into external resources to keep up with Odin. Just like he did with Walker. They weren't enough, but they enabled him to put on a good show.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Those external power sources are his power.
They're actually not. They are accessible with preparation, but he's been caught without them. It's not like the Odin-Power, which follows Odin everywhere.
At the very least an asterisk needs to be placed when referencing events where Thanos is noted to be tapping into additional power or technology, as he was against Odin.
And no, he was not referencing the Death upgrade. That was a one-time shot, not an open-ended connection to her power.
Originally posted by Wodenson
Both Odin and Walker notice Thanos is tapping into an external power source.The fact is, Thanos doesn't face beings like Odin, Tyrant, or Walker -- and put up any kind of a showing -- without additional resources. I'm not saying he cheats, I'm just saying Thanos knows his limitations and makes preparations. He's not a Skyfather. He's an above-herald-leveler.
I know I just burst your bubble, but buck up and move on.
Burst my bubble LOL... You're still joking I see.. Those two scenes are ENTIRELY different and not even close to the same. One is mentioning Thanos siphoning energy from his ship.. VERY specific. The other is Odin praising Thanos for having a power source nearly as infinite as his own. There was no mention of a ship or anything siphoning or anything of the sort. Simply Odin praising Thanos for his energy reserves which isn't anything external that is within him and where he draws his energy from. The dark reference is either about his nature (kinda evil) or his affiliation and amp from death. Nothing more. Nice try though.
Furthermore, don't think I didn't notice you not mentioning the part where Iooled your premise and conclusion about Thanos not being able to stand up to Odin blasts. Don't think I didn't notice that concession. If anybody's bubble got burst it was yours.
Originally posted by Wodenson
They're actually not. They are accessible with preparation, but he's been caught without them. It's not like the Odin-Power, which follows Odin everywhere.At the very least an asterisk needs to be placed when referencing events where Thanos is noted to be tapping into additional power or technology, as he was against Odin.
And no, he was not referencing the Death upgrade. That was a one-time shot, not an open-ended connection to her power.
His resources and well of power WITHIN HIM. That is what he is tapping into... not some external power source never seen or mentioned. Odin taps into his energy reserves.. thanos also has such reserves... I didn't think basic common sense and english was this difficult.
Originally posted by WodensonThanos had no preparation against Galactus he used what he had. It was a last ditch effort because he didn't prepare for a battle with Galactus. It was made painfully clear on panel. Thanos used what he had against Thor as the fight just occurred as well.
They're actually not. They are accessible with preparation, but he's been caught without them. It's not like the Odin-Power, which follows Odin everywhere.At the very least an asterisk needs to be placed when referencing events where Thanos is noted to be tapping into additional power or technology, as he was against Odin.
And no, he was not referencing the Death upgrade. That was a one-time shot, not an open-ended connection to her power.
If that was a one time shot Thanos imperative why didn't he lose his immunity to death after the cancerverse was defeated. Hmmm.
No shield was used against Tyrant or Odin and unlike the Galactus encoutner Thanos disputed Odin's superiority.
Originally posted by Galan007
When Odin pulled out the Spear, he was trying harder. When he blasted Thanos with two hands, he was trying harder.But you'd be hard-pressed to prove that the single-handed-energy-backhand he delivered to casually 'shew' Thanos away:
Was any more powerful than the single-handed blast he used initially:
Don't know why I'm still arguing, though. The artwork is clear to pretty much everyone. /shrug
You do realize the attacks are completely different. One attack is a generic energy blast, the other is a physical attack amped with energy. Why wouldn't they have differing effects on Thanos? Not only could the power output be different, the attacks themselves on panel are different. Now you have two confounds.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Burst my bubble LOL... You're still joking I see.. Those two scenes are ENTIRELY different and not even close to the same. One is mentioning Thanos siphoning energy from his ship.. VERY specific. The other is Odin praising Thanos for having a power source nearly as infinite as his own.
I'm not going to try to convince you of the obvious, and frankly I don't need to. On two occasions, Thanos goes up against beings more powerful than himself, and on both occasions he is noted to be tapping into a power source.
Lets be honest. You're so deeply invested in your interpretation of the Odin/Thanos battle that you'll never concede, no matter the evidence.
Furthermore, don't think I didn't notice you not mentioning the part where Iooled your premise and conclusion about Thanos not being able to stand up to Odin blasts.[/B]
I don't need to mention it, since Thanos was augmented throughout his entire battle with Odin. He could not no-sell a blast from Odin on his best day, without additional protection and/or resources. Not when Thor's hammer gives him a bloody nose.
Originally posted by WodensonContext. he got a bloody nose after repeated attacks by not only Thor's hammer but a power gem amping his strength and physical attributes the entire time.
I'm not going to try to convince you of the obvious, and frankly I don't need to. On two occasions, Thanos goes up against beings more powerful than himself, and on both occasions he is noted to be tapping into a power source.Lets be honest. You're so deeply invested in your interpretation of the Odin/Thanos battle that you'll never concede, no matter the evidence.
I don't need to mention it, since Thanos was augmented throughout his entire battle with Odin. He could not no-sell a blast from Odin on his best day, without additional protection and/or resources. Not when Thor's hammer gives him a bloody nose.
Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Thanos had no preparation against Galactus he used what he had.
It was a last ditch effort because he didn't prepare for a battle with Galactus. It was made painfully clear on panel. Thanos used what he had against Thor as the fight just occurred as well.
Probably correct. Thanos clearly stepped up his game against Odin, compared to when he was getting bloodied by Thor.
