Odin VS Galactus

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I edited my post.. I ask again.. Why on earth are people claiming Odin is fighting Galactus on equal terms and thus Marvel views them as equal in power??? WTF... They are ONLY fighting a TP battle at this time... NO other abilities are being used.... How on earth does a stalemate in a TP battle mean that Marvel views them as equals..

They're clearly being portrayed as peers. Fraction practically hits you over the head with it in the beginning.

It's pretty much what I expected based on the solicits and interviews. Course those can be red herrings or bullshit as Bendis has proven.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I edited my post.. I ask again.. Why on earth are people claiming Odin is fighting Galactus on equal terms and thus Marvel views them as equal in power??? WTF... They are ONLY fighting a TP battle at this time... NO other abilities are being used.... How on earth does a stalemate in a TP battle mean that Marvel views them as equals..

While I think your point of view is told to favor Galactus heavily, they're not only fighting on a tp battle, but also, Thor's hit didn't seem to help Odin in the Tp battle, while Galactus sending shadows against the Asgardian doesn't seem to weaken him much either.

Battlewise not much happened, some hits were exchanged and then the issue ended. Quite disappointing.

I will say this, though:

Thor's bloodlust is really off putting. I can see him being pissed at Surfer and trying to kick his ass to teach him a lesson, but I'm not digging the idea he seems more than willing to slay Norrin outright.

I agree, as far as battles go, it was pretty shit. Doesn't bode well for the supposedly big brawl between Thor and Worthy Thing/Hulk also coming out this month.

I'm surprised Galactus summoning Cosmic Demons hasn't been mentioned yet. Personally however, I wouldn't go down that route even if I was a fan of Galan. Not when all Asgardians and the Asgardian dimension are sustained by the Odin Power.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I will say this, though:

Thor's bloodlust is really off putting. I can see him being pissed at Surfer and trying to kick his ass to teach him a lesson, but I'm not digging the idea he seems more than willing to slay Norrin outright.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I will say this, though:

Thor's bloodlust is really off putting. I can see him being pissed at Surfer and trying to kick his ass to teach him a lesson, but I'm not digging the idea he seems more than willing to slay Norrin outright.

Agreed. I can take Thor having a bit of an edge to him but this is a bit too far for my taste. Badass and blood lusted don't have to go hand in hand.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I will say this, though:

Thor's bloodlust is really off putting. I can see him being pissed at Surfer and trying to kick his ass to teach him a lesson, but I'm not digging the idea he seems more than willing to slay Norrin outright.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Agreed. I can take Thor having a bit of an edge to him but this is a bit too far for my taste. Badass and blood lusted don't have to go hand in hand.

Yeah.

Part of me loves the over the top dialog and the fact that Odin and Thor apparently love the word "bastard" but it's too much. At this point, considering the fact that Thor knows Surfer is overall a noble being and he knows that Odin can be a manipulative phuck, I would have rather had Thor try to be the voice of reason between Odin and Galactus.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Well, if they fight on even footing on a plane both of them choose to battle on, surely you can see why people would say they're peers to one another, no?

It's possible but that is pure conjecture as well. For example, Mantis and Moondragon can fight Thanos on pretty decent footing in a TP battle.. Does that mean they are equal in power.. Most certainly not. So as you can see... no it doesn't not always or even most of the time mean that. no?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
They're clearly being portrayed as peers. Fraction practically hits you over the head with it in the beginning.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Good man.

They're clearly being portrayed as peers. Fraction practically hits you over the head with it in the beginning.

It's pretty much what I expected based on the solicits and interviews. Course those can be red herrings or bullshit as Bendis has proven.

Give me some other examples of this "hits us over the head" of them being equal please? As I said to Jake.. just because Mantis and Moondragon can compete with Thanos in a TP battle.. and have engaged him in such.. doesn't mean they are as powerful... not even close. Point is, yes this could show that (assuming Big G isn't weak), but it could also mean very little if Galactus overpowers Odin later on when it's not a TP battle. Thus, this whole thing with Zop running around claiming Marvel views them as equals because they are stalemating in a TP certainly sin't true.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You need to wait till it's said and done and just because they seem equal on the tp front that doesn't mean they are peers powerwise. If it's hit over our heads you have nothing to worry about and it's only a matter of time before this is resolved and fraction proves your point.

I'm simply pointing out what I think is the case, at least in the context of the story up to this point. I have no problem waiting until it's all said and done, frankly, it'd be for the best.

Who knows, the tables could easily turn.

Frankly, I don't really care at this point. I've just come to accept that Fraction is going to be controlling Thor for a while. It's the reason why I stopped really complaining or criticizing his work. What the hell is the point?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Give me some other examples of this "hits us over the head" of them being equal please? As I said to Jake.. just because Mantis and Moondragon can compete with Thanos in a TP battle.. and have engaged him in such.. doesn't mean they are as powerful... not even close. Point is, yes this could show that (assuming Big G isn't weak), but it could also mean very little if Galactus overpowers Odin later on when it's not a TP battle. Thus, this whole thing with Zop running around claiming Marvel views them as equals because they are stalemating in a TP certainly sin't true.

Originally posted by zopzop
@Sundipped

Is it really "jobbing"? Maybe this where Marvel sees him power wise?

Now that I think about it, that could be the case. He remains a fundamental abstract but as far as battles...you would think he'd have a better track record.

Ego w little help>Big G
Phoenix Force (Rachel)>Big G
(Fight interrupted) In-Betweener=Big G
(Really a punking) Hunger>Big G
(Another stalemate) Agamotto=Big G
(Incomplete fight, both got sucked into void) Hyperstorm=Big G
(Wasn't looking good)Aegis/Tenebrous>Big G

The only sure win I can think of is vs. his own creation FP Tyrant.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It's possible but that is pure conjecture as well. For example, Mantis and Moondragon can fight Thanos on pretty decent footing in a TP battle.. Does that mean they are equal in power.. Most certainly not. So as you can see... no it doesn't not always or even most of the time mean that. no?

The issue in question also has the following lines of dialogue:

"How do beings like Odin and Galactus...fight? Could one simply not turn the other into a moth trapped in a jar or cause an inferno to erupt in his foe's skull?"

"Aye. Omnipotence has its down side. We are but pawns on their gameboard, Sif. We are their cannon fodder. Tis out job to distract Galactus...just as those cosmic demons summonded from the hand of Galactus will try to distract All-Father."

"Distract him from what?"

"Tis not for the likes of you and I to comprehend. We may be the gods...but this is a matter for those more godly than we."

Fraction's intent, as of now, is pretty clear. The fact that they're battling each other on the psychic plane/beyond what the gods can comprehend is only further driving the point home. Considering Odin and Dormammu battled each other in "chess" which was beyond Thor's comprehension and Odin had been compared to be a peer to Galactus before, why this is so shocking or PIS worthy is beyond me.

I'm not counting any eggs before they hatch, but what Fraction was getting at in this issue was pretty clear cut, imo.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm simply pointing out what I think is the case, at least in the context of the story up to this point. I have no problem waiting until it's all said and done, frankly, it'd be for the best.

Who knows, the tables could easily turn.

Frankly, I don't really care at this point. I've just come to accept that Fraction is going to be controlling Thor for a while. It's the reason why I stopped really complaining or criticizing his work. What the hell is the point?

I posted the scans. Just go through them.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
so a slighty amped zeus making short work of galactus is justified?

no where in the interview with pak/FVL did they state zeus was "slightly" amped. In fact he mentioned mikaboshi inhabiting zeus first, and then zeus' own personal power. Can't see how that's contrived as "slightly"

Also, need we always forget the context of G being hungry and weak?

Originally posted by Sundipped
Now that I think about it, that could be the case. He remains a fundamental abstract but as far as battles...you would think he'd have a better track record.

Ego w little help>Big G
Phoenix Force (Rachel)>Big G
(Fight interrupted) In-Betweener=Big G
(Really a punking) Hunger>Big G
(Another stalemate) Agamotto=Big G
(Incomplete fight, both got sucked into void) Hyperstorm=Big G
(Wasn't looking good)Aegis/Tenebrous>Big G

The only sure win I can think of is vs. his own creation FP Tyrant.

You're forgetting a significant degree of context

Thor drove off G after he was weakened by the battle
weak and hungry Galactus fought the PF for a while
IB stalemated a weakened Galactus
Hunger isn't really a low showing, considering Hunger consumes entire dimensions.
Agamotto in his own realm
Hyperstorm<Galactus as G feeds on hyperspace and hyperstorm hasn't been seen since G dealt with him
2 vs. 1 is generally not pretty

++++++++++++++

Anyway, I read the issue. It's no where near as 1 sided as some other posters were hyping it up to be. It's a simple telepathic battle where G and Odin try to get in each other's heads. The end was inconclusive.

Thor struck Galactus while G was engaged in the TP battle with Odin. He did damage, but the asterisk is that it was a cheap shot and not indicative of how he'd fare if G saw him coming. Still, pretty good feat for Thor.

Galactus sweating is by far the most embarrassing aspect. Still, the battle had an inconclusive ending (thanks to the Thor cheap shot) but all this non sense of Odin=Celestials etc is pure nonsense considering Odin wasn't even winning the TP battle; if you look at it technically, none of Odin's TP had the same psychological effect on Galactus as G's did on Odin.

Just you guys wait. After Galactus loses to Odin, he's going to feed on another planet, then visit Kree space where he encounters the newly revived blackbolt. Then we'll see him all sweating and wide-eyed as he says, "Bl, bl-- Blackbolt?" before he gets beat down again. At that point, even Surfer will be fed up with Galactus' pussydom, and whip his ass himself. From then on, Galactus will follow Norrin around like a whipped dog, begging Surfer for food and performing degrading acts just to be fed a few miniscule, crusty planets that no self-respecting devourer of worlds would even touch with his boot. Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if Big G got pimped out to the Sinister Six in exchange for a sewer asteroid.

At least, that's what I've taken from this discussion.

Having bought and read the comic, we can now conclude that we have a unended battle. Great...

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The issue in question also has the following lines of dialogue:

"How do beings like Odin and Galactus...fight? Could one simply not turn the other into a moth trapped in a jar or cause an inferno to erupt in his foe's skull?"

"Aye. Omnipotence has its down side. We are but pawns on their gameboard, Sif. We are their cannon fodder. Tis out job to distract Galactus...just as those cosmic demons summonded from the hand of Galactus will try to distract All-Father."

"Distract him from what?"

"Tis not for the likes of you and I to comprehend. We may be the gods...but this is a matter for those more godly than we."

Fraction's intent, as of now, is pretty clear. The fact that they're battling each other on the psychic plane/beyond what the gods can comprehend is only further driving the point home. Considering Odin and Dormammu battled each other in "chess" which was beyond Thor's comprehension and Odin had been compared to be a peer to Galactus before, why this is so shocking or PIS worthy is beyond me.

I'm not counting any eggs before they hatch, but what Fraction was getting at in this issue was pretty clear cut, imo.

So a bunch of quotes stating Galactus and Odin are way above them in power.. means Galactus and Odin are equals... Spiderman viewing the mental battle between Galactus and Thanos... could say the very same thing.. yet we know Galactus is above Thanos. Being that are clearly way below these two means very little.