Odin VS Galactus

Originally posted by Utrigita
[B]That is true, what you fail to take into consideration is that Doom draws a line between before and after he gains Galactus power. And Doom sees the power he has before Galactus power, as a fraction of the power he will gain when he steals Galactus power.

This doesn't contradict what I said.

The reason I see it as a plot device is, Doom is selfconflicting concerning his actual use of the Cosmic Cube concerning the theft, at one instance he says it's merely being used as a transportation device, the next it's a factor in stealing the power, which is a direct contradiction to what Reed tells us later

Here's what Reed says about the Cosmic Cube when listing the devices.

Furthermore as already mentioned, if the Cosmic Cube is already more powerful then Galactus why even attempt to gain Galactus power in the first place?

Because it was the icing on the cake. It's what brought all the element together into one, perfect package.

It shouldn't matter which of the two is the hardest to steal.

Sure it should. Doom is going to go after the target which has the highest success rate. He knew more about Galactus than Odin when he formulated his plan, and the technology he employed was geared towards siphoning cosmic energy.

Originally posted by Wodenson
This doesn't contradict what I said.

Here's what Reed says about the Cosmic Cube when listing the devices.

Because it was the icing on the cake. It's what brought all the element together into one, perfect package.

Sure it should. Doom is going to go after the target which has the highest success rate. He knew more about Galactus than Odin when he formulated his plan, and the technology he employed was geared towards siphoning cosmic energy.

Then why was it important initially to point out that Doom was boosted with other artifacts when he thrashed Odin, if you doesn't disagree with the Cosmic Cube being but a fraction of the overall power at Doom's disposal at that point of time?

And yet afterwards Reed referes to Doom after having drained Galactus as having obtained ultimate power. That wasn't mentioned beforehand, he suggest the Cosmic Cube would suffice, something that we can assume Doom with the power from the Ultimate Machine was well aware of wasn't the case.

A perfect package that would seem incomplete if Doom had decided to go for Galactus knowing that Odin was stronger, given what Doom aimed to accomplish that just seems stupid.

After having obtained the Ultimate Machine, which had gathered all the watchers knowledge concerning the known universe, I find it rather unlikely that Doom's knowledge about Odin would in any way be lacking.

btw, next time just post the entire page instead of panels.

Originally posted by Digi
Guys. This is how arguments are ended once and for all.

Sorry. But lulz.

I have feelings too you know! :-(
Digi!!

Originally posted by Utrigita
knowledge about Odin would in any way be lacking.

btw, next time just post the entire page instead of panels.

People post panels instead of entire pages to misinform...

And seriously... Back in the days when Odin was compared to galactus were
Also the days when surfer and thor could time travel...
When spiderman could hurt firelord...

Etc etc...

Galactus is not written the same now as he was back in the older days.

... When has Odin even done anything directly or indirectly that brought the living tribunal into action due to the scope of his powers... Korvac had the knowledge and power of a portion of galactus... And what happened...

Originally posted by Utrigita
I know what a fraction is pure mathematical, but in this context I'll stick to what Oxford Dictionary says concerning the literal meaning if you don't mind 🙂

Or Free online dictionary

For instance, this is what the free dictionary actually says:

frac·tion (frkshn)
n.
1. Mathematics An expression that indicates the quotient of two quantities, such as 1/3 .
2. A disconnected piece; a fragment.
3. A small part; a bit: moved a fraction of a step.
4. A chemical component separated by fractionation.

Well gee, looks like my definition was actually the first one. What a pathetic lie. Did you really think I wouldn't check? It isn't wise to pull this kind of thing when the answer can be looked up by anyone with a computer. #3 is the only one that agrees with you, so how the hell is the #3 suddenly the "literal" one?

Dictionary.com:

frac·tion
   [frak-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
Mathematics .
a.
a number usually expressed in the form a/b.
b.
a ratio of algebraic quantities similarly expressed.
2.
Chemistry . (in a volatile mixture) a component whose range of boiling point temperatures allows it to be separated from other components by fractionation.
3.
a part as distinct from the whole of anything; portion or section: The meeting started with a fraction of us present.

This one doesn't even INCLUDE the "small part" definition.

World English Dictionary:

1. maths
a. a ratio of two expressions or numbers other than zero
b. any rational number that is not an integer
2. any part or subdivision: a substantial fraction of the nation
3. a small piece; fragment
4. chem a component of a mixture separated by a fractional process, such as fractional distillation
5. Christianity the formal breaking of the bread in Communion
6. the act of breaking

Once again, your definition is not the most common at all; it is actually a minority.

Originally posted by rotiart
And seriously... Back in the days when Odin was compared to galactus were
Also the days when surfer and thor could time travel...
When spiderman could hurt firelord...

wut? 😐

spidey/fl was 90's (late 80's??) in any event, we're talking 60's & 70's. again, we'll soon see how far they've come.....

Character levels vary from year to year and decade to decade. What is most important is how these levels are portrayed currently.

It may be true that Odin was up there (Galactus level maybe) in the past but clearly that has changed. Galactus is now understood to be higher than him currently. I don't see that as a debate. It is clear to a HIGH MAJORITY of comic fans.

Just my 2 cents.

Originally posted by h1a8
Character levels vary from year to year and decade to decade. What is most important is how these levels are portrayed currently.

It may be true that Odin was up there (Galactus level maybe) in the past but clearly that has changed. Galactus is now understood to be higher than him currently. I don't see that as a debate. It is clear to a HIGH MAJORITY of comic fans.

Just my 2 cents.

Part of me wants to see a good, fairly even fight.

Another part questions whether Thor denting Surfer's skull with a headbutt points towards writer bias..

I mean, I can buy Thor messing Surfer up, but denting his head with a headbutt is a bit much..

Hey, better than blood and thunder where he knocked SS out with a single blow...

Originally posted by Harbinger
- Beats Mephisto in his own realm

Originally posted by Wodenson
- Produces a son who has beaten Mephisto in his own realm

I would probably remove both of these feats. Beating Mephisto in his own realm isn't necessarily a feat of power. Adam Warlock did it before.

Galactus stomps,

though I hope Odin wins in their next bout 😄. It will be a funny time here on KMC.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Then why was it important initially to point out that Doom was boosted with other artifacts when he thrashed Odin, if you doesn't disagree with the Cosmic Cube being but a fraction of the overall power at Doom's disposal at that point of time?

Because the 'fraction' of Doom's power, which constituted his non-Galactus portion, was enough to rival Galactus in and of itself. Prior to absorbing Galactus' power, Doom essentially had access to Beyonder-level power. So the combination of Galactus power AND a Cosmic Cube (not to mention the other stuff) is what Odin was up against.

You can't get around this fact. Stop trying.

And yet afterwards Reed referes to Doom after having drained Galactus as having obtained ultimate power. That wasn't mentioned beforehand, he suggest the Cosmic Cube would suffice, something that we can assume Doom with the power from the Ultimate Machine was well aware of wasn't the case.

Are you being intentionally thick?

A perfect package that would seem incomplete if Doom had decided to go for Galactus knowing that Odin was stronger, given what Doom aimed to accomplish that just seems stupid.

I already addressed this. Come up with something new.

After having obtained the Ultimate Machine, which had gathered all the watchers knowledge concerning the known universe, I find it rather unlikely that Doom's knowledge about Odin would in any way be lacking.

I don't find it unlikely. I think there are things about Odin beyond the ken of the Watchers. After all, Odin predates them.

btw, next time just post the entire page instead of panels.

Lets make a deal. I post whatever I want, and you sit there and like it. Sound fair?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Galactus stomps,

though I hope Odin wins in their next bout 😄. It will be a funny time here on KMC.

Far as I understand it Odin is attempting to stop galactus from achieving godhood...

Hence galactus is an antagonist in the story...

Thus Odin an Thor as the heroes will win the day

Originally posted by Wodenson
Because the 'fraction' of Doom's power, which constituted his non-Galactus portion, was enough to rival Galactus in and of itself. Prior to absorbing Galactus' power, Doom essentially had access to Beyonder-level power. So the combination of Galactus power AND a Cosmic Cube (not to mention the other stuff) is what Odin was up against.

You can't get around this fact. Stop trying.

Are you being intentionally thick?

I already addressed this. Come up with something new.

I don't find it unlikely. I think there are things about Odin beyond the ken of the Watchers. After all, Odin predates them.

Lets make a deal. I post whatever I want, and you sit there and like it. Sound fair?

Where the heck did you get that Odin pre dates the watchers?

I was sure that it's been stated the celestials predate the asgardians...
And the watchers and celestials arose together due to the fulcrum...

edit.

Just for shit and giggles, to show how much the gods sucks when compared to Galactus:

And now, to show how much of a badass he should be:
The place of Galactus:

Galactus against a "In the same ballpark as Odin in power"-being like:

I wouldn't be able to accept Odin statlemating Galactus.

the deciding factor will prolly by the galactus seed

we will see

G wins.

thor cant beat mephisto in his own realm