Originally posted by -Pr-
I'd rather write the characters I love the most, though I feel like I'd have more freedom to write the stuff I like the way I like at DC.
Seems like the Thunderbolts writers have a lot of freedom..
I mean, punking an Avengers team including Iron Man, Spidey, than golden boy Sentry, and Captain America? That's crazy.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
In the way that Galactus is supposed to be a badass mother****er, born at the beginning of the universe, from the union of past universe's Eternity and Galan. He should be the third face of the Living Tribunal, between Eternity and Death.IMO, he should be written in a way where he could, if he wanted, piss on Odin, just before the god beg for mercy. But that's not the point.
The point is: what the **** is that seed?! It's the seed of the next Galactus?! How could it be?! I don't get the point. I'm also pissed off that the big man doesn't get a proper treatment.
In Fantastic Four # 601 , Galactus revealed to Reed that the seed "was a celestial aberration......a mistake by Eternity" . So Hickman basically retconned Fraction's version of the seed's background given by Odin(which seemed to imply that Galactus was below gods , and that the seed was what created new big bangs in a cycle) .
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
In Fantastic Four # 601 , Galactus revealed to Reed that the seed "was a celestial aberration......a mistake by Eternity" . So Hickman basically retconned Fraction's version of the seed's background given by Odin(which seemed to imply that Galactus was below gods , and that the seed was what created new big bangs in a cycle) .
Or it was possibly # 600 . I don't clearly remember , but I do know that the scene involved Galactus giving Reed the "Ark" to summon him(for the Mad Celestials) .
Originally posted by TheGodKillerThe two premises in the above edited version are not mutually exclusive of each other.
In Fantastic Four # 601 , Galactus revealed to Reed that the seed "was a celestial aberration......a mistake by Eternity" . So Hickman basically retconned Fraction's version of the seed's background given by Odin(which seemed to imply that Galactus was below gods, and that the seed was what created new big bangs in a cycle) .
I don't know why people keep thinking Bor created the Galactus Seed. He just found it. And he used it to create the World Tree which contains/represents the Nine Realms. The World Tree does not contain/represent the entire 616 universe.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The two premises in the above edited version are not mutually exclusive of each other.I don't know why people keep thinking Bor created the Galactus Seed. He just found it. And he used it to create the World Tree which contains/represents the Nine Realms. The World Tree does not contain/represent the entire 616 universe.
If you read Odin's statements in that arc , you would know that is exactly what Odin implied(that Galactus is below gods) . Although I don't know why you should be bothered since Hickman has given the actual origin story(or something like that) , which proves Odin to be a liar(not really surprised here , considering the dickish way Fraction wrote him down as , and since his mythological counterpart was supposed to be a schemer of the highest order) .
Originally posted by TheGodKillerOdin did not imply that at all. Odin implied Galactus was below the World Seed or that the World Seed would be Galactus' reckoning. But the World Seed =/= gods. Odin may have insulted Galactus but he didn't imply Galactus was beneath him. Both Fraction's Odin and Hickman's Galactus confirm that the World Seed would beget a successor to Galactus. They haven't contradicted each other at all.
If you read Odin's statements in that arc , you would know that is exactly what Odin implied(that Galactus is below gods) . Although I don't know why you should be bothered since Hickman has given the actual origin story(or something like that) , which proves Odin to be a liar(not really surprised here , considering the dickish way Fraction wrote him down as , and since his mythological counterpart was supposed to be a schemer of the highest order) .
Bor found the World Seed. He didn't create it. He wasn't responsible for its existence. He didn't control it. Some people think the World Seed created the 616 universe. It didn't. It created the Nine Realms.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankSome. But every time I do, it seems another pantheon claims credit for it via a different creation myth. Last in time seems to be the name of the game here.
How much credence do you personally give the Asgardians for creation feats, especially those focusing on Earth and humanity?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Odin did not imply that at all. Odin implied Galactus was below the World Seed or that the World Seed would be Galactus' reckoning. But the World Seed =/= gods. Both Fraction's Odin and Hickman's Galactus confirm that the World Seed would beget a successor to Galactus. They haven't contradicted each other at all.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Bor found the World Seed. He didn't create it. He wasn't responsible for its existence. He didn't control it. Some people think the World Seed created the 616 universe. It didn't. It created the Nine Realms.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerTaking for granted that you're quoting correctly, had Odin said "skyfather" or "god like us" or "one of us" I would concede that Odin was trying to diminish Galactus' stature. The label, "god," is too loaded to unilaterally determine that Odin specifically meant skyfather. Too many times has that term been used to describe levels of power beyond the traditional Earth pantheon gods.
Odin's words : "Galactus seeks to become immortal . He seeks to become a god ."
These words don't seem to imply that Galactus is below the worldseed alone .
Originally posted by TheGodKillerBecause the World Seed could be both Eternity's mistake and something that Bor found lying around in a dimensional rift. Hence, why the two premises are not mutualyl exclusive of each other.
That is all true , but how is it relevant to our discussion . Also , Hickman revealed in #600(via Galactus) that the seed was "a celestial aberration........a mistake by Eternity" . So , its basically Eternity's creation . And it contains a (potential) new Galactus , whom Galactus doesn't want released . That's the whole reason he was willing to go up against the Mad Celestials(apart from the fact that they had come to destroy 616 Reed and his native reality) , because their onslaught threatened to prematurely release the gestalt being within the seed .
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Taking for granted that you're quoting correctly, had Odin said "skyfather" or "god like us" or "one of us" I would concede that Odin was trying to diminish Galactus' stature. The label, "god," is too loaded to unilaterally determine that Odin specifically meant skyfather. Too many times has that term been used to describe levels of power beyond the traditional Earth pantheon gods.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Because the World Seed could be both Eternity's mistake and something that Bor found lying around in a dimensional rift. Hence, why the two premises are not mutualyl exclusive of each other.
All true , although I still don't understand how it's relevant to our discussion . Since , nowhere did I mention that the seed was created by Bor , nor did I claim that , that is what Fraction implied .
Originally posted by TheGodKillerYou can be sure based on the comics you've read. I've read enough comics on my own to come to the exact opposite conclusion. If you really think Odin meant this: "Galactus seeks to become immortal . He seeks to become
Thor called himself "god of thunder" during the conversation with the Infinites , and the Infinites expressed mild surprise that Thor referred to himself as a "god" . SO I am pretty sure that when a member of the Earthly god pantheons mentions the term "god" in their conversations , then that is spoken in the same context as an earthly "god" of the pagan pantheons .All true , although I still don't understand how it's relevant to our discussion . Since , nowhere did I mention that the seed was created by Bor , nor did I claim that , that is what Fraction implied .
So the only inconsistency you see beyween Fraction and Hickman is that Odin was trying to belittle Galactus' status? Because if I read it correctly, I don't see why the World Seed can't be (i) a mistake by Eternity (Hickman), (ii) responsible for Big Bangs (Fraction), (iii) responsible for new iterations of Galactus (both Hickman and Fraction), and (iv) provide Galactus with an avenue to supercede his status/fate (Fraction).