Originally posted by RobtardHey, I'm just stating what happened in the movies. I'm just talking about the times he speed blitzed onscreen. All in all, I am obeying the MVF golden rule.
Because it wasn't my argument.So now he can only use his speed when he's "close to someone"? Let me guess, he can only dodge bullets if they're fired by the exact people that shot at him in the films? This line of "logic", eh?
Originally posted by Rogue JediDoesn' mean a human being can react to Smith in a fight as proven in the first the guy can dodge bullet and punch multiple times in a blurry type fashion. This Smith is more powerful and an equal to Neo who can down multiple agents like they lemmings.
K, and? I remember being able to track his movements.I can actually see Smith exploiting that, good point.
No, it's you who is placing a limit on force powers. Limits that are pure speculation.
I did?
Progress.
You are assuming a much higher limit without proof as well. Do you think the force can hold the cloverfield monster with tk and kill it before it can react ?
Yes, just now.
It's ok Smith is too fast for Vader to react. Jedi have been overwhelmed by far less.
Originally posted by ares834Do you not understand what being overwhelmed is ? If Smith throws a hunded punches and Anakin knows where they are coming but isn't fast enough to physically keep up he's overwhelmed. How is this difficult to understand ?
People don't seem to ever realize how precog works... It doesn't really matter how fast an object is traveling. Precog warns where an object is going to land ahead of time. For example, Anakin will be warned where a blaster bolt is going to be half a second (just a random choice but the actual number is irrelevant for my example) ahead of time allowing him to adjust himself. His precog will also warn him where Agent Smith's punch will land half a second ahead of time as well.
Originally posted by quanchi112See, that's the thing, Smith has to get that close to attack. Never happens. The moment he tries, Anakin decaps him.
Doesn' mean a human being can react to Smith in a fight as proven in the first the guy can dodge bullet and punch multiple times in a blurry type fashion. This Smith is more powerful and an equal to Neo who can down multiple agents like they lemmings.
Progress.Calm down.
You are assuming a much higher limit without proof as well. Do you think the force can hold the cloverfield monster with tk and kill it before it can react ?Yoda held an X Wing aloft, dude.
Yes, just now.Kaaaaaaaaaaay 🙄
It's ok Smith is too fast for Vader to react. Jedi have been overwhelmed by far less.Read what I said, up top.
Do you not understand what being overwhelmed is ? If Smith throws a hunded punches and Anakin knows where they are coming but isn't fast enough to physically keep up he's overwhelmed. How is this difficult to understand ?
Originally posted by Rogue JediBased on what ? anakin has to get close to Smith and unlike Smith has slow reaction times.
See, that's the thing, Smith has to get that close to attack. Never happens. The moment he tries, Anakin decaps him.Calm down.
Yoda held an X Wing aloft, dude.
Kaaaaaaaaaaay 🙄
Read what I said, up top.
I was proud of you until now. I hate it when people regress.
Yes, with great concentration but could Yoda hold this immense creature and just oneshot kill it then in your opinion ? Holding an inanimate object is different than holding something with a mind trying to resist you.
You already agreed he can be overwhelmed so unless you changed your position you agree with me.
Originally posted by quanchi112Mhm, and, unlike Smith, Anakin has shown he can speed blitz from point A to B via force speed.
Based on what ? anakin has to get close to Smith and unlike Smith has slow reaction times.
I was proud of you until now. I hate it when people regress.Oh baby don't say that.
Yes, with great concentration but could Yoda hold this immense creature and just oneshot kill it then in your opinion ? Holding an inanimate object is different than holding something with a mind trying to resist you.Again, nothing in the SW movies implied that a force hold can be resisted via willpower or brute force.
You already agreed he can be overwhelmed so unless you changed your position you agree with me.Overwhelmed by one being? Not gonna happen, duder.
Originally posted by Rogue JediSmith has shown he can fly at very fast speeds as well but unlike Anakin when it gets up close and personal Smith is far faster to the point of boredom for him.
Mhm, and, unlike Smith, Anakin has shown he can speed blitz from point A to B via force speed.Oh baby don't say that.
Again, nothing in the SW movies implied that a force hold can be resisted via willpower or brute force.
Overwhelmed by one being? Not gonna happen, duder.
Too late.
What ? You can tell the weight of the object puts a strain on the force user so if someone's actively using more force than just their weight it's common sense it's much harder to do than on an inanimate object.
Happened against Dooku the first time. He also lost to Obi Wan. This isn't the kids at the temple Anakin is facing this is a program that's going to rip him in two.
Originally posted by quanchi112See, there you go again. What makes you think Anakin will allow Smith to GET up close and personal?
Smith has shown he can fly at very fast speeds as well but unlike Anakin when it gets up close and personal Smith is far faster to the point of boredom for him.
What ? You can tell the weight of the object puts a strain on the force user so if someone's actively using more force than just their weight it's common sense it's much harder to do than on an inanimate object.K, you see how easily Dooku force lifted Obi Wan?
Mhm.
Happened against Dooku the first time. He also lost to Obi Wan. This isn't the kids at the temple Anakin is facing this is a program that's going to rip him in two.Mhm, a being that has one way of killing Anakin. Getting close to him and going cqc. When Smith tries this, Anakin senses it, then decaps him.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Ares, thats bullshit. 😬
That's how it works. I don't like using Flash as he can move or can punch numerous times but a beam of light, for example, would be dodgeable by a Jedi.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Pre-Cog wnt help against someone like Flash.. Anakin/Vader would just be standing still from the Flash's point of view.. He runs at him in a straight line or not, wnt matter.The only way for a jedi/sith to beat someone that fast would be to grab them with the Force before they move (which is unlikely)
IF he runs straight at him they will be able to dodge. Vader would know were he is going to be well before he moves there. They see the future they don't react. So speed won't matter to them.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you not understand what being overwhelmed is ? If Smith throws a hunded punches and Anakin knows where they are coming but isn't fast enough to physically keep up he's overwhelmed. How is this difficult to understand ?
Dude calm down. I wasn't directing anything towards you. But sure if Smith direct even a couple punches Anakin's way he will be overwhelmed.
Originally posted by Rogue JediThe fact that Anakin will have to get close enough to cut him with his saber.
See, there you go again. What makes you think Anakin will allow Smith to GET up close and personal?K, you see how easily Dooku force lifted Obi Wan?
Mhm.
Mhm, a being that has one way of killing Anakin. Getting close to him and going cqc. When Smith tries this, Anakin senses it, then decaps him.
Yes, because Obi isn't strong at all. Comparing Obi to Smith in terms of speed/power is hilarious.
Now my actual question had to do with something enormous and that weighed probably thousands of tons, maybe more. That's far harder than someone who weighs 180 pounds.
anakin is too slow to ever decap him. That's the point he can swing away and Smith will dodge away and then beat him with a blow or two.
Originally posted by ares834Then you agree.
That's how it works. I don't like using Flash as he can move or can punch numerous times but a beam of light, for example, would be dodgeable by a Jedi.IF he runs straight at him they will be able to dodge. Vader would know were he is going to be well before he moves there. They see the future they don't react. So speed won't matter to them.
Dude calm down. I wasn't directing anything towards you. But sure if Smith direct even a couple punches Anakin's way he will be overwhelmed.
Originally posted by quanchi112Or just force hold him in place, walk over and cut off his face.
The fact that Anakin will have to get close enough to cut him with his saber.
Yes, because Obi isn't strong at all. Comparing Obi to Smith in terms of speed/power is hilarious.Again, nothing in the SW movies implied that the force can be resisted by brute strength. You keep assuming it can, when it can't.
Now my actual question had to do with something enormous and that weighed probably thousands of tons, maybe more. That's far harder than someone who weighs 180 pounds."Size matters not."
anakin is too slow to ever decap him. That's the point he can swing away and Smith will dodge away and then beat him with a blow or two.Nope, he isn't. Anakin is not as fast as Smith, but he has precog, which will warn him a split second beforehand where Smith will be.
Precog, decap.
Originally posted by ares834Lulz, the Flash.
That's how it works. I don't like using Flash as he can move or can punch numerous times but a beam of light, for example, would be dodgeable by a Jedi.
IF he runs straight at him they will be able to dodge. Vader would know were he is going to be well before he moves there. They see the future they don't react. So speed won't matter to them.
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Dude calm down.😆
Originally posted by Rogue JediIf it were that easy why hasn't Dooku dispatched of Obi or Anakin when he had the chance. You act as if a force push is unbeatable when it's just a useful tool to catch someone off balance in the movies. Vader isn't ripping throats out of skilled opponents in seconds. I don't see him able to hold Smith in place due to his power.
Or just force hold him in place, walk over and cut off his face.Again, nothing in the SW movies implied that the force can be resisted by brute strength. You keep assuming it can, when it can't.
"Size matters not."
Nope, he isn't. Anakin is not as fast as Smith, but he has precog, which will warn him a split second beforehand where Smith will be.
Precog, decap.
The more resistance is faces the harder you have to concentrate. This is common sense.
Since size doesn't matter I guess vader can force hold the entire death star if he needed to ? Wow.
Smith's too fast for Anakin to be where he needs to be when he needs to be. If I fight a martial artist who's far quicker it won't matter if I know where he will be I won't be quick enough to get there and will lose anyway.
Show me Vader doing this to any skilled opponent. Back up your claim.
Originally posted by Nephthys
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Expain how it wouldn't work. Anakin will know where the beam of light will be before hand. In fact, he should know where it will be the same amount of time before hand as he would with a blaster bolt. Thus he will have as much time to act to the beam of light as he would to a blaster bolt.