Originally posted by Nephthys
And yet they were still blitzed.
For some reason unknown to us. But if you want an answer so bad go with "shroud of the darkside".
I.E. Your logic is flawed and you should drop the point.
No it still stands. If someguy shoots at a Jedi with a laser they should be able to dodge it.
So why bring it up in this thread? Smith is not a blaster bolt. Nor is any other combatant with super speed. [/B]
Because Smith isn't Flash.
Originally posted by ares834
The thing is the time it takes for the ball to reach you will be factored into the one second ahead of time. Precog doesn't warn them about when the guy is going to pull the trigger but when adn where the blast will be a set amount of time before hand.
And unless they're light starts out on the moon, they're not fast enough to react, They'll sense the 'attack' and it will be there before they can think to react.
Originally posted by ares834
Yes. Or if the beam of light hasn't been shot yet.
So you're arguing they'll know before the light beam is set off and they'll move out of the way then? Before hand?
That's not how Jedi battle-precog works, as seen with then blocking blaster fire instead of just being out of the path. They react after it's fired.
Originally posted by Robtard
So you're arguing they'll know before the light beam is set off and they'll move out of the way then? Before hand?That's not how Jedi battle-precog works, as seen with then blocking blaster fire instead of just being out of the path. They react after it's fired.
Nope. Notice how Kenobi's lightsaber is already in position to deflect the bolt. As for blocking rather than dodging... It's easier.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And yet Neo was cut by a sword.Why would he stop bullets if they'd just bounce off of him?
A sword he stopped with his bare hand against a "superhuman program" swinging it at him.
And this occurred before Neo had unlocked his entire "true potential" as the one.
Originally posted by Nephthys
That scene exists to show us that, yes, Neo is still human and his control over the Matrix is not absolute. If his body can be cut, his clothes can be burnt at temperatures the likes of which you're talking about. Nottomention that if a sword can cut him, a lightaber can. ✅
I feel that that is a stretch.
What's more likely: the Wachowski brothers simply did not think about the heat caused by such a violent shockwave.
OR
Both characters had such control over the matrix, at that point, that showing clothes ignite from ultra-powerful shockwaves would be irrelevant and/or inappropriate.
Definitely 1. 🙂
Edit - Also, the Neo that tanked getting slammed into the street at what appeared to be supersonic speeds was much more durable than the Neo that fought against those special defense programs from The Frenchman.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Why would he stop bullets if they'd just bounce off of him?
I honestly think...using "sheer forces", Neo could definitely tank bullets. If a blade swung by a superhuman just barely cuts his hand, a bullet will not produce enough pascals (PSI) to break his flesh (the curved blade, if I remember correctly, has more PSI than a bullet. We had to do this problem in one my physics classes. The blade had significantly more "PSI" than a bullet. I could be wrong...but I remember something about the blade being far superior to the bullet. It may have just been in momentum...but I could have sworn the initial impact had far more pascals than the bullet in our word problem.)
Regardless, Neo can just revive himself, right? 😄
Originally posted by ares834Smith doesn't have to be the Flash to beat vader. Smith is too fast and too powerful for Vader to be able to do anything. End of story unless you can cite examples of feats in the same ballpark as the matrix reaction feats.
For some reason unknown to us. But if you want an answer so bad go with "shroud of the darkside".No it still stands. If someguy shoots at a Jedi with a laser they should be able to dodge it.
Because Smith isn't Flash.
Originally posted by ares834
Nah we see him swing the saber up to deflect the attack...NiArWz5rhlk#t=0m17s
No. He runs through the door, pulls out his sabre and raises/ignites it cos he knows he's about to fight, that's just common sense, drawing your weapon in a fight.
Him being able to block the fire was, as Precog made him aware a split second where the attack was coming from, not 3-4 seconds ahead of time as you imply.
Now, if that had been a beam of light travelling at light speed, he'd be too slow to react.
Originally posted by Robtard
AND THE LIGHT WOULD BE TRAVELING SO FAST EVEN JEDI SPEED WOULD BE OVERTAXED TO REACT IN TIME.Which part of Light-Speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blaster-Fire aren't you following? <-- probably and understatement
Roughly put, if the Force tells you: "This beam of light is going to come directly in your path three seconds from now."
And then the Jedi uses his/her Force-enhanced Neuro-muscular reflex to shift aside in one second, then two seconds later, the beam passes by.
That's why for instance in The Sith Lords, the Jedi Exile can duck and move around blaster fire - the Force had already told her that it would be going there a handful to a few seconds in advance.
The question isn't whether the Jedi is quick enough to follow the Will of the Force and dodge the beam.
The question, is whether the Force (which does not always let Jedi in on these things) will even let the Jedi know about the beam in the first place.
Originally posted by Robtard
No. He runs through the door, pulls out his sabre and raises/ignites it cos he knows he's about to fight, that's just common sense, drawing your weapon in a fight.
No. Watch closely. When the view changes from Jango shooting we see Kenobi with his blade down and then we see him lift it up quite fast which deflects the bolt Jango shoots in the pics I posted.
Him being able to block the fire was, as Precog made him aware a split second where the attack was coming from, not 3-4 seconds ahead of time as you imply.
Now, if that had been a beam of light travelling at light speed, he'd be too slow to react.
If it were a beam of light it should still gave him the same warning, or as you put it a split second. And no, I have never said 3-4 seconds nor have I implied it.
OK, question for all. Which moves faster? Smith or a blaster bolt?
Like if Smith is standing next to a Clone Trooper, and twenty feet away is a target. At the same time the Clone fires his blaster at the target, Smith takes off running towards the target. Does Smith arrive at the target before the blaster bolt?
Originally posted by quanchi112This all depends. How far away are they from each other when the fight starts? 20 feet? 50 feet? Is Smith right in his face?
Smith doesn't have to be the Flash to beat vader. Smith is too fast and too powerful for Vader to be able to do anything. End of story unless you can cite examples of feats in the same ballpark as the matrix reaction feats.