Silver Surfer & Thanos vs Flash & Zoom

Originally posted by Galan007
Light travels at 299,792,458 meters per second = 186,282.397 miles per second = roughly 671,000,000 miles per hour.

But most people just remember that light travels 186,000 miles/second. Don't know why that's s hard. 😕

Are you telling me you have never forgotten something because you don't care enough to remember it or you don't feel it effects you enough to keep it retained?

Well most people would consider the speed of C to be along the same lines to them.

Originally posted by leonidas
pretty much my thinking exactly..... and i for one never learned the speed light travels at school--least i don't think i did. i learned it in a comicbook. 🙂

Bingo, i learnt the speed of light by going to find out about its exact speed myself through a general knowledge encyclopedia....not in high school. People less curious than I am (and there are soooo many people like that) generally know that the speed of light is much faster than a car or even a plane and even sound but thats about it. Heck there are numerous people i know who think the speed of light and lightning (and u find this on the forum as well) are one and the same. Theyve never cared to find out otherwise

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I know the speed of C, I know the speed of sound, I have a rough idea of detonation velocities of these explosives, overpressure distance etc.

And even I would not have bothered to double check the writer's statement.

The Flash story obviously did not require the reader to understand any specific figures since the buffoon writer didn't know himself, and there is nothing to suggest that laymen would know it by heart anyway. All that is required is that they understand the concept of light as being very very fast.

Only nerds would.

Originally posted by leonidas
you think a comicbook is targetted for 16-30somethings? not buying that.

You're kidding yourself if you don't think the huge majority of comic buyers are 16 or above.

Originally posted by leonidas
as far as 'general knowledge' and what most people would or wouldn't know--i'd guess that if you walked into a mall, or grocery store, hell if you walked into a SCHOOL--MOST (a very heavy majority) would NOT know how fast light moves, and would be equally (maybe more) clueless about a microsecond, picosecond, femtosecond or plank lengths.

"Boys, today we'll be talking about the speed of light. What, nobody have a clue what I'm talking about? Well then, let's talk about about the microsecond and the increase of mass as an object aproaches this barrier you don't know about!"

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I know the speed of C, I know the speed of sound, I have a rough idea of detonation velocities of these explosives, overpressure distance etc.

And even I would not have bothered to double check the writer's statement.

The Flash story obviously did not require the reader to understand any specific figures since the buffoon writer didn't know himself, and there is nothing to suggest that laymen would know it by heart anyway. All that is required is that they understand the concept of light as being very very fast.

👆

Originally posted by Philosophía
You're joking, right? Even besides the obviousness of things, one of the major problems of the industry is that it's not reaching to a younger audience, and it's mostly the same old people, with the same old obsessions about continuity and "what matters". It's basically why DC has completly revolutionized their company, to try to bring new audience.

You're kidding yourself if you don't think the huge majority of comic buyers are 16 or above.

The speed of light is about as common knowledge as physics can be, but even assuming the majority of the comic readers are grossly uneducated - which is ridiclous to assume, why would the writer include even harder terms to comprehend like microsecond and the effects of lightspeed travel like infinite mass, into the description of what happened?

"Boys, today we'll be talking about the speed of light. What, nobody have a clue what I'm talking about? Well then, let's talk about about the microsecond and the increase of mass as an object aproaches this barrier you don't know about!"

Don't you have people to rape?

Originally posted by Philosophía
You're joking, right? Even besides the obviousness of things, one of the major problems of the industry is that it's not reaching to a younger audience, and it's mostly the same old people, with the same old obsessions about continuity and "what matters". It's basically why DC has completly revolutionized their company, to try to bring new audience.

You're kidding yourself if you don't think the huge majority of comic buyers are 16 or above.

The speed of light is about as common knowledge as physics can be, but even assuming the majority of the comic readers are grossly uneducated - which is ridiclous to assume, why would the writer include even harder terms to comprehend like microsecond and the effects of lightspeed travel like infinite mass, into the description of what happened?

"Boys, today we'll be talking about the speed of light. What, nobody have a clue what I'm talking about? Well then, let's talk about about the microsecond and the increase of mass as an object aproaches this barrier you don't know about!"

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It should be apparent from the context of my post exchanges with h1a8. The ones where I'm being "nitpicky."

Originally posted by Naija boy
Not remebering an exact figure that u learnt in junior year highschool science class hardly makes you stupid. Gimme a freaking break. Its not like that figure is as prevalent in daily human interaction as the human body temperature, number of planets etc. There are loads of minute bits of information learnt during highschool and even earlier that people dont retain due to its irrelevance in their day to day life......once again jeez lets put some things in perspective here

That said, these undergrads must be very forgetful/stupid if they are unable to recall a fairly basic earth science fact, despite having taken several science classes just to get into a university.

Originally posted by leonidas
whoa.... you actually think the common fan would be able to differentiate these types of terms? we'll agree to very much disagree on that score. i think most often those types of terms are thrown around by a writer in an effort to avoid saying really really fast and to, perhaps, add a sense of 'real world science'. i certainly don't think the average fan can differentiate between these orders of magnitude. i'd say the VAST majority would have no idea if a femto, zepto, pico or attosecond is shortest. damn, i'd go so far as to say that a large percent of their audience may not even know they were REAL terms. nor, do i think they would care as they would understand the concept of 'really really fast'. it's not even a question of intelligence--it's a question of never having had a reason to be introduced to the concepts in the first place.

or, the terms just sound cool. 🙂

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By this line of thinking, Odin/Seth's battle didn't destroy galaxies- the writer just used the word "galaxies" without fully comprehending the magnitude of it. It just sounds better, after all.

This has to work both ways.

Originally posted by Galan007
Ah, he's on ignore. There's my problem.

Wait, you just said that most university level undergrads do not know how fast light moves. I'm assuming you got that information from a credible source, as opposed to pulling it out of your arse.

That said, these undergrads must be very forgetful/stupid if they are unable to recall a fairly basic earth science fact, despite having taken several science classes just to get into a university.

Originally posted by Galan007
By this line of thinking, Odin/Seth's battle didn't destroy galaxies- the writer just used the word "galaxies" without fully comprehending the magnitude of it. It just sounds better, after all.

It has to work both ways.

I mean, the average person surely doesn't understand that they contain even billions to trillions of stars, no? It might aswell been something "bigger than Earth" and let's leave it at that.

Originally posted by Starscream M
dood, I took many science classes in high school and college, and I don't think I had to learn what speed of light is. 😐

I learned how fast light moves in 7th grade. No joke.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Oh snapz.

I mean, the average person surely doesn't understand that they contain even billions to trillions of stars, no? It might aswell been something "bigger than Earth" and let's leave it at that.

...But I'm sure that will somehow be a different case. Somehow. mmm

Originally posted by Galan007

Wait, you just said that most university level undergrads did not know how fast light moves. I'm assuming you got that information from a credible source, as opposed to pulling it out of your arse.

That said, these undergrads must be very forgetful/stupid if they are unable to recall a fairly basic earth science fact, despite having taken several science classes just to get into a university.

*facepalm* Oh Lord now you are just getting silly. I made that statement as a general statement from my personal experience with hundreds of people. No i didnt get it from a some research study, the same way ur assertion to the contrary, wasnt gotten from some research study. Throwing the "credible source" card out there is just nonsensical.

lulz, right.... internet forum=/= reality. I have asserted that i cant remember learning what the speed of light is from science class, and so did Leo. If you do a KMC poll id wager we would have alot of people who would say the same. Hence taking science classes doesnt guarantee that u remember irrelevant science facts. For u to then label all of these people who dont remeber this admittedly basic but to them irrelevant fact stupid is laughably pretentious.

It strikes me that all these observations would be more cogent if the writer actually stated 13 trillion times speed of light.

Originally posted by Philosophía
You're joking, right? Even besides the obviousness of things, one of the major problems of the industry is that it's not reaching to a younger audience, and it's mostly the same old people, with the same old obsessions about continuity and "what matters". It's basically why DC has completly revolutionized their company, to try to bring new audience.

You're kidding yourself if you don't think the huge majority of comic buyers are 16 or above.

hmm, i'd wonder about that. you could be right, hard to check. i know the target for kapow exhibitors (comiccon) was said to be 15 on their introductory form. i'd guess that would be close to the intended audience for most generic books. young male adolescents in any event. but of course there are older readers. never said there weren't.

The speed of light is about as common knowledge as physics can be, but even assuming the majority of the comic readers are grossly uneducated

because they don't know the speed of c? really?? and, in any event, that is sort of irrelevent. they would not only have to know c, they would need to look at the numbers and be able to determine that somehow, given the numbers, they show he was going FASTER than c.

which is ridiclous to assume, why would the writer include even harder terms to comprehend like microsecond and the effects of lightspeed travel like infinite mass, into the description of what happened?

because they sound cool. because they convey the idea the writer wants to get across. there really doesn't have to be much more reason. same reasons stan used 'gamma radiation' to create the hulk. 'cosmic rays' for the ff. comics have always used pseudo-science to enhance their medium. you saying you think most people ACTUALLY understand exactly what a microsecond means? i'd say you were the one kidding himself. 😬

"Boys, today we'll be talking about the speed of light. What, nobody have a clue what I'm talking about? Well then, let's talk about about the microsecond and the increase of mass as an object aproaches this barrier you don't know about!"

people know speed of sound=fast.
people know speed of light=really fast.
people know microsecond=really short time

for a cynic, you have a lot more faith in the intelligence of people in general than i would have thought.....

Originally posted by Galan007

Personally, I'd rather take specific terms the writer gives us literally, as opposed to believing they just use random words that sound cool, to spice the story up.

By this line of thinking, Odin/Seth's battle didn't destroy galaxies- the writer just used the word "galaxies" without fully comprehending the magnitude of it. It just sounds better, after all.

It has to work both ways.

Originally posted by Naija boy
*facepalm* Oh Lord now you are just getting silly. I made that statement as a general statement from my personal experience with hundreds of people.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It strikes me that all these observations would be more cogent if the writer actually stated 13 trillion times speed of light.

^ Reported for being off-topic. arrrgh

Right, the writer told us how fast the Flash was going.

Originally posted by Galan007
Personally, I'd rather take specific terms the writer gives us literally, as opposed to believing they just use random words that sound cool, to spice the story up.

i think you'd be disappointed then. i agree that for the sake of the forum, the terms are taken literally. i'd strongly disagree that most would actually understand them beyond the basics.

By this line of thinking, Odin/Seth's battle didn't destroy galaxies- the writer just used the word "galaxies" without fully comprehending the magnitude of it. It just sounds better, after all.

This has to work both ways. [/B]

i think comparing knowledge of a galaxy with a picosecond is not exactly a fair comparison. you think most people actually know that galaxies galaxies can range in size from 100 000s-1000 000s of lightyears in diameter?? that galaxies are 1000 000s of lightyears apart? man, again, you must hang around with a lot of REALLY REALLY smart people....

i'd say most know they are really big, and that destroying them=LOTS of power. why SHOULD they need to know more than that?