Silver Surfer & Thanos vs Flash & Zoom

Originally posted by cdtm
But dude..

That's what happens on comic book sites, all the time. It's not like this is some special case with Flash to crib in a feat that otherwise wouldn't make it.. Fans crunch numbers and use equations constantly to promote feats. Hell, under the board rules we have a figure given for the "speed of thought". What's the point of that, if not for the number crunchers to plug into their equations..?

i'm talking about the intent, what most readers would have taken from it. i'm NOT talking about the forum. because both sides can be taken in the forum--words and numbers show contradictory things--the feat should be thrown out.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You can't pick and choose which part of the narration is wrong.

Because, I can use the same argument to say that the time frame part of the narration is the part that's wrong.

Originally posted by h1a8
You can pick and choose if you use correct reasoning. If the writer knew flash had to be going far above c then he would have change the narration to 'above c' instead of changing the story. His primary intent was for flash to complete the feat, his secondary intent (rather calculation and not intent) was that flash goes under c.

Or, he'd have changed the time frame...so that Flash could have completed it by going the speed he listed in the story.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Or, he'd have changed the time frame...so that Flash could have completed it by going the speed he listed in the story.

or he'd have changed the number of people. or the distance.....

Originally posted by leonidas
you seriously believe that the bulk of people who read that and looked at the numbers would conclude the feat was ftl??? you, my friend, are losing it. i wonder if you polled the US and canada how many people would actually know the speed of light? i wonder how many would know velocity equations? now, factor in that most comic readers are young kids--have loads of kids in my gr5 class who read comics and i GUARANTEE none of them would have a clue. how many young highschoolers reading in their room would know? an incredibly small amount imo.

you act like i'm rejecting the conclusion you came to. i've already said--repeatedly--the feat should be tossed from the forum as both sides can lay equal claim to it. since it can be used to support both, it should be used for neither. ever.

and actually, i have TWO daughters... 😉

5th graders, they don't even understand the concept of light. Now in the precrisis days you may have more of a point because comics were for kids and they did crazy feats that didn't make sense. Nowadays comics are aimed at older audiences and are made more "science fiction" or "real".

Aww, 2 kids. You're a dad. 🙂

Originally posted by cdtm
Besides, didn't the feat take place after Wally was able to tap into the speed force, and had feats exceeding light speed?

So it's not like he has a ceiling of sub light..

So, maybe the narration was correct regarding his speed and incorrect in regards to the time/distance/number of people.

I think the greatest thing about this discussion is the "people are stupid" argument so prevalent in the last couple of pages.

I lol'd.

Good one, leo.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Or, he'd have changed the time frame...so that Flash could have completed it by going the speed he listed in the story.

NO! It's impossible for flash to complete the feat going under the speed of light. Radiation itself moves at the speed of light so in order for flash to save those people he would HAVE to been moving many many times faster than the speed of light.

Originally posted by h1a8
NO! It's impossible for flash to complete the feat going under the speed of light. Radiation itself moves at the speed of light so in order for flash to save those people he would HAVE to been moving many many times faster than the speed of light.

And lasers move at the speed of light, yet every street levvel character has dodged them. welcome to comics.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I think the greatest thing about this discussion is the "people are stupid" argument so prevalent in the last couple of pages.

I lol'd.

Good one, leo.

stupid? i wouldn't say someone who doesn't know how fast light is, or doesn't know how to figure out velocity from time and distance is stupid, exactly. do they trust what the writers are telling them? i'd say yes, imo, that would be the case. now is THAT stupid? that's a different argument altogether.

Just wanted to add...
When many street levelers dodge lasers, it's prolly from anticipation and guessing the trajectory. (for the most part)

Originally posted by h1a8
NO! It's impossible for flash to complete the feat going under the speed of light. Radiation itself moves at the speed of light so in order for flash to save those people he would HAVE to been moving many many times faster than the speed of light.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ ... superheated air and radioactive fallout (irradiated dust) is what really kills people. Not radiation waves.

Even if you can't understand that... just think about Flash safely setting people down 35 miles away from the blast. Safely. 35 miles away.

They're safe. Only 35 miles away.

Whereas this "killer light speed radiation" would travel 186,000 miles/sec. Think about it.

Little boy's initial heat/light burst killed people and started fires (from it's own effects) within a mile, it's the overpressure wave that causes the most damage.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

If it was comparable to the bomb dropped on Nagasaki (roughly .02MT/20KT) then the people Flash saved would be perfectly fine from 35 miles away. However, if the bomb was comparable to something like the Tsar Bomba (50MT/50,000KT), the people would have been blown to smithereens at that distance. In fact, numerous people received 3rd degree burns from over 100km away, after the latter was detonated.

Originally posted by leonidas
stupid? i wouldn't say someone who doesn't know how fast light is, or doesn't know how to figure out velocity from time and distance is stupid, exactly.

What you're saying though is that the writer whose target audience is between 16-30something considers the big majority of his readers to be clueless enough to not even know what the speed of light is, while including terms like microseconds for the lulz.

And I find that hilarious. You're free to continue, though. I long stopped caring about this discussion, though I do entertain myself with some of the arguments.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Sure, as long as they're not above 12.

What you're saying though is that the writer whose target audience is between 16-30something considers the big majority of his readers to be clueless enough to not even know what the speed of light is, while including terms like microseconds for the lulz.

you think a comicbook is targetted for 16-30somethings? not buying that. as far as 'general knowledge' and what most people would or wouldn't know--i'd guess that if you walked into a mall, or grocery store, hell if you walked into a SCHOOL--MOST (a very heavy majority) would NOT know how fast light moves, and would be equally (maybe more) clueless about a microsecond, picosecond, femtosecond or plank lengths. they would know these things meant 'really fast' and why shouldn't that be good enough? why would/SHOULD they be inclined to look beyond what the writer told them?

Personally, I don't think writers would use speed-verbage if they weren't comfortable their 'target audience' could comprehend it. Otherwise, they'd use blanket terminology like: "character x was moving unimaginably fast", as opposed to very specific terminology like: "character x was moving faster than the speed of light, which enabled him to operate by the attosecond." Etc.

Imo, comics aren't geared for people who are still reading Dr. Seuss books- many of them require the reader to think a bit. Superman Beyond, for instance, would be difficult for most well informed adults to ingest... Let alone some dumbass kid.

^ i hate this argument, but the guy clearly contradicted himself in the narration so....

So, we should ignore the fact that the writer told us how fast the Flash was moving?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ i hate this argument, but the guy clearly contradicted himself in the narration so....

It should either be taken at face value, or ignored completely.