Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Kid Goku would launch him to the moon with the power pole and then blow it up with a single kamehameha wave. Madara is not even close to Roshi in terms of force. Your logic is flawed.
That feat is clearly an outlier. In the Daizenshuu, it is said that King Piccolo's blasts are as powerful as nuclear bombs. So unless you want to argue that the Dragon Ball moon is tiny af, then you should drop it. Not to mention Madara's vastly superior combat speed.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
That feat is clearly an outlier. In the Daizenshuu, it is said that King Piccolo's blasts are as powerful as nuclear bombs. So unless you want to argue that the Dragon Ball moon is tiny af, then you should drop it. Not to mention Madara's vastly superior combat speed.
Are you high?
The Daizenshuu states King Piccolo can easily shoot blasts equivalent to nuclear bombs. You know, like when he blew up an island with a single wave? If you need scans, I can provide them.
Since you accept the Daizenshuu as cannon though, you also accept that Tien can punch faster than the speed of light, correct? It is stated in the early volume, so... yeah. Not to mention Kid Goku dodged those light speed punches, making him FTL. Madara can't even dream of light speed. Hiraishin makes someone go LS, and it has blitzed even Jyuubito, who was much stronger and faster than Hashirama, Madara's superior. Kid Goku also dodged photons, which move light speed. Madara gets ROFL-blitzed by Taopaipai.
Roshi blew up the moon, and you don't even know what an outlier is. Get over it, fangirl.
Please provide the scans then. And since you want to play it that way, Obito's Kamui teleportation is light speed according to Zetsu. Matter of fact, so is Haku's Mirror Reflection technique, and it makes sense too. So yes, Madara is far above light speed if we use statements like that. Whichever way you want it, Madara stomps.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Please provide the scans then. And since you want to play it that way, Obito's Kamui teleportation is light speed according to Zetsu. Matter of fact, so is Haku's Mirror Reflection technique, and it makes sense too. So yes, Madara is far above light speed if we use statements like that. Whichever way you want it, Madara stomps.
Show scans. Haku said he could transport himself through the mirrors. That gives no speed indication whatsoever. My car transports me to work. I guess I'm also light speed. Obito was never stated to be lightspeed, neither was his kamui. If Kamui was lightspeed, why did Kakashi have trouble warping a rocket flying at Choji? Even if it was, it has effortlessly speed blitzed anything else in the series. No one can hit Obito unless they figure out his weakness in that form, or are above light speed with normal reaction, which kid Goku is.
You expect me to provide scans when you can't yourself? **** off. Not to mention you just made all three of those "feats" up off the top of your head. In fact, I'll post the real scans in a sec.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Please provide the scans then. And since you want to play it that way, Obito's Kamui teleportation is light speed according to Zetsu. Matter of fact, so is Haku's Mirror Reflection technique, and it makes sense too. So yes, Madara is far above light speed if we use statements like that. Whichever way you want it, Madara stomps.
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-30-13/naruto/chapter-25.html
Haku stating that his jutsu transports him from one mirror to the other. Nothing about light speed.
http://a.mwfile.com/manga/p/3173/289085/7.jpg
King Piccolo easily destroying East City with a wave. The Daizenshuu provides a map of the DBZ world, and this City is bigger than Papaya island.
http://a-old.mwfile.com/3/1/7/3/b/49961/6.jpg
Kid Goku easily dodging condensed photon lasers like they're slow.
Originally posted by TheTyrantAnd Haku's technique allows him to move at light speed. I don't know how that's not combat speed.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, DO YOU NOT SEE THE ****ING FOOTNOTE? THE ONE THAT SAYS "This is a hyperbole"?? You're a ****ing retard bro.
Also, I just posted the scan for the Haku thing. It says he can transport from one mirror to another. Nothing about light speed.
Originally posted by Q99
The 'teleporting between mirrors is lightspeed' comes from databook 1.
I own a few of the databooks. The first is one of them. Nowhere does it say anything about light speed in the entire first databook. It says Haku can transport from one mirror to another, nothing about light speed or teleporting(which would be instant, not light speed, dumb ass).
'Instant' and 'light speed' are effectively synonyms over the kind of distances we're talking about.
Mind you, hand me a laser pointer and I have a 'lightspeed attack'. A function being 'lightspeed' doesn't make someone lightspeed.
I find the idea of anyone from DBZ or Naruto being lightspeed combat speed (as opposed to instant transmission or mirror transfer) to be silly ^^ I mean, they regularly *take time to travel places*. Every time they do so is direct evidence it's not light speed.
Originally posted by Q99
'Instant' and 'light speed' are effectively synonyms over the kind of distances we're talking about.Mind you, hand me a laser pointer and I have a 'lightspeed attack'. A function being 'lightspeed' doesn't make someone lightspeed.
I find the idea of anyone from DBZ or Naruto being lightspeed combat speed (as opposed to instant transmission or mirror transfer) to be silly ^^ I mean, they regularly *take time to travel places*. Every time they do so is direct evidence it's not light speed.
Maybe to us, but if someone can go a thousand times FTL, they're still not instant.
Goku dodged a laser that was larger than him. He dodged photons. He's FTL.
I guess, but battle speed and flight speed are vastly different. They constantly state in DBZ that they save ki while flying to use in a fight when they reach the point they're flying to. They only go full speed while traveling when they need to, like when Goku on Namek flew all the way across the planet(which was ten times larger than Earth) in less than the time it took Frieza to punch Vegeta(while he was holding Vegeta, so less than a second). Even then, they save their ki for battles, so they can move fast enough to tag people who move instantly, like perfect Cell did.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, DO YOU NOT SEE THE ****ING FOOTNOTE? THE ONE THAT SAYS "This is a hyperbole"?? You're a ****ing retard bro.Also, I just posted the scan for the Haku thing. It says he can transport from one mirror to another. Nothing about light speed.
That's the translator's note, not the author's. It bears no meaning to the canon. Other translations don't even have "hyperbole" down there.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Kid Goku easily dodging condensed photon lasers like they're slow.
So has Captain America. And beginning of Z Goku's Snake Way feat is pathetic if he was actually light speed or above at a much earlier point in his life.
Anyway, you proved that you don't know anything about Dragon Ball in the other thread. Have fun with your false assumptions and opinions fam.
