Who can beat current Madara?

Making his wood-jutsu infused body reject his every organ and cut his chakra flow.

Wood jutsu infused? He isn't Danzo, he doesn't have a big tree growing out of his arm. He has the (completely human) DNA of the 1st. So unless he actually uses a wood jutsu, I don't see that making much sense.

Ah ok, for some reason I was under the impression he had something similar to Danzo. It must have been the fact that he lost his limbs and he attached new ones.

Madara Prime

Come on.... that was clever =)

Madara in his Prime? I think he would lose, he could not use izanagi or the rinnegan or control the six paths.

Well, I would be inclined to think Madara in his prime would crush Madara current

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v50/c467/9.html

Round about tactics. Everything he's doing at the moment we have every reason to believe he would not have to do in his Prime.

He could have attained the Rinnegan, though the paths being Jinchuuriki is an asset given only by Kabuto, that being the only additional factor, everything else he could have set up anyway.

Personally I'm doubting their being Jinchuuriki would make up the difference. Though it is an assumption. As is anything related to Madara Prime I suppose.

Still come on. Awesome answer, right? =D

Yeah, that's what he said then. After he got his Rinnegan, he said he hungered for battle and no longer used those "roundabout" tactics but just did whatever he wanted. With the six paths in addition to himself he is miles above a Madara whose only abilities was EMS.

I'm quite confident Madara knew he could have got the Rinnegan back from Nagato, and could have set up a new Six Paths, without needing to declare war.

I think you're also forgetting it was said Madara Prime is approximately of the same strength as he would be as Jinchuuriki of the Juubi.

While personally I cannot even comprehend that kind of power existing since the juubi. That is what was said...

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v50/c467/10.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v50/c467/15.html

That said, I have my own reservations about his really being THAT strong, but I would be more inclined to take his Prime Strength more seriously

While i've yet to see this, Six path thing he's got going on. I would say Madara Prime until I see more. Thus making him the weakest anime/manga character I'm confident can beat Current Madara.

He declared war then because that's when the kages met. Nagato had died just recently, and Madara didn't choose that date, the kages did. So that first point is completely irrelevant. He couldn't fight them before his upgrades; he has had no reservations fighting after his upgrade.

They never say his prime matched the Jubi anywhere. They ask him if he will restore his old strength, and he says it will be more than that. That doesn't prove your point, it proves the opposite.

At which point it's quite apparently talking about the infinite Tsukuyomi, as that is what he goes on to talk about immediately after making that exact comment.

And no, it is certainly not worded like that. But is it said his Prime would be about as strong as him becoming the Juubi Jinchuuriki.

Try not to cross your words, it might lead to confusing yourself ^^

I am reading the same panel you do, and I don't think this translation has any implication that he'll only be as strong as his prime. The kages don't even know what his plan is yet, so they are just asking questions on their part; and you are reading way too much into his answer.

All he says is that that would be "one way of putting it, but not all". He then proceeds to explain what he's going to do, and obviously, this was more than the kages thought. That's before he mentions the genjutsu. It is obvious you are looking for something that isn't there.

Oh, Obviously.

Lol, well if you choose not to read it as it is that's up to you. You can take a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

It's quite clear, cut, and dry.

It will restore him to his full self.

He also says, "But that is not all that it will do..."

And then explains what that "additional" power will be: it will magnify his eye powers for the infinite Tsukuyomi.

I don't know how more clear it could be. This is not even up for debate. It can't be blamed on "translation" differences, either.

It's "full self" + "additional eye powers".

Precisely! See? I knew I could count on you! =D

Thank you donut- I mean! Dadude! =P

In a fight between Madara at his prime and current Madara, I lean more towards his prime going by the hype. However, since current Madara can summon that huge statue, he would probably be too much. 😛

Speaking of hype, that's really mostly what current madara is to be fair. He really hasn't actually done a whole lot at all. The only real fight he's been in was against Konan right? If I recall he had to use Izanagi...

Not that she wasn't really ridiculously well prepared but even so... He hardly has a list of feats we know of that make us know how strong he really is yet.

What I'd like to know is WTF Hashirama did to Madara to make him an "empty shell of his former self"?

I mean...wtf?

The first and Madara are on a different level than any other ninjas except for the Great Sage, imo. Going by hype. Madara was enough to make Minato struggle...and Minato was so badass that ninjas had "flee on sight" orders. If this Madara is a weakling compared to his old self...I mean...WTF! How powerful can this get?

That means that the first was one uber badass. Yamato's wood jutsu is pretty dang powerful...but it "pales" in comparison the first's.

I WANNA KNOW THE WHOLE BACK STORY! I WANNA SEE THE FEATS! :MAD:

Hashirama took the Kyuubi out of Madara's body.

Really, Madara was the first ever secret Kyuubi Jinchuurikii. awesome

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Speaking of hype, that's really mostly what current madara is to be fair. He really hasn't actually done a whole lot at all. The only real fight he's been in was against Konan right? If I recall he had to use Izanagi...

Not that she wasn't really ridiculously well prepared but even so... He hardly has a list of feats we know of that make us know how strong he really is yet.

Yeah but going by how Nagato fought with the rinnegan recently, we can assume that Madara has the same abilities. Which woud make him a threat to all the ninja here and others from other animu.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Yeah but going by how Nagato fought with the rinnegan recently, we can assume that Madara has the same abilities. Which woud make him a threat to all the ninja here and others from other animu.

Recently?

I don't think so. He has six paths too, so i would have thought his powers are split like Nagato prior. At the moment I would guess we should assume he has the power of one of the paths. Each path's powers are powerful but not so much that it would so drastically alter his own threat level, no matter which path he is.

And agreed Dadudemon. Sarutobi slapped him and the second pretty hard from what I recall. Apparently there is a whole world more to him than what Orochimaru could draw out.