James Howlett vs. Eric Brooks

Setting

The fight takes place in the city of Rio at dusk. The city is completely deserted of all forms of life but the city is otherwise running at normal capacity.

Scenarios

1. Standard fight between each. No prep-time, no blood-lust, standard equipment and only the knowledge they already have on each other.

2. Blade gets prep-time (one month), blood-lust is on for Blade and Wolverine is otherwise limited to Scenario 1.

3. Same as Scenario 2 except Wolverine is blood-lusted.

Note

Please back up all claims with evidence. Don't just say Wolverine wins or Blade wins unless you explain why and can provide scans and feats to prove this.

So, no one wants to weigh in on this?

Nobody knows Blade's real name 😛

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Nobody knows Blade's real name 😛

😆

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Nobody knows Blade's real name 😛

Howlett ftw.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

Howlett ftw.

Why?

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Why?

Teh clawz

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Teh clawz

And Blade was using an Adamantium sword when he was with Spitfire and the rest of the blokes over in England.

I'm not supporting either side, just enforcing that real reasoning, evidence and feats are being used by both sides to prove their stand points on this fight.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
And Blade was using an Adamantium sword when he was with Spitfire and the rest of the blokes over in England.

I'm not supporting either side, just enforcing that real reasoning, evidence and feats are being used by both sides to prove their stand points on this fight.

Wolverine can tank the sword thrusts and slashes long enough to get a kill shot on Blade. It's already happened on panel once.

It's a great fight, and Blade is arguably around the same skill level as Logan, but Logan is designed to not lose fights like this....unless we give Blade the handle of the Muramasa Blade and he gets a lucky tap on Logan's forehead.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Wolverine can tank the sword thrusts and slashes long enough to get a kill shot on Blade. It's already happened on panel once.

The fight that I assume you're mentioning is one that I was under the assumption was agreed as being very poorly written.

But if you're speaking of another fight, then please post the scans of it.

Originally posted by KingD19
It's a great fight, and Blade is arguably around the same skill level as Logan, but Logan is designed to not lose fights like this....unless we give Blade the handle of the Muramasa Blade and he gets a lucky tap on Logan's forehead.

What evidence supports Blade as being on Logan's skill level?

And why do you believe Blade would need the Muramasa Blade to win?

1. Wolverine. Superior feats, he can tank everything Blade throws at him long enough to go for a kill.

2/3 - Blade would try to turn him into a vampire and it's a bad idea 'cause:

- vampire Logan becomes stronger and faster
- as long as there is HF in his blood, he'll heal from vampirism (and quite swiftly as seen in Gischler's run), so stake to the heart is not gonna end him.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
What evidence supports Blade as being on Logan's skill level?

And why do you believe Blade would need the Muramasa Blade to win?

King was joking. Y'see, Romulus knocked out Logan with the hilt of muramasa blade, typical wtf moment from Way's run.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
1. Wolverine. Superior feats, he can tank everything Blade throws at him long enough to go for a kill.

The proof of his feats being superior?

2/3 - Blade would try to turn him into a vampire and it's a bad idea 'cause:

- vampire Logan becomes stronger and faster
- as long as there is HF in his blood, he'll heal from vampirism (and quite swiftly as seen in Gischler's run), so stake to the heart is not gonna end him.

Wasn't that tactic what helped attribute that the fight between Wolverine and Blade was poorly written when S.H.I.E.L.D. sent him to hunt Logan down?

King was joking. Y'see, Romulus knocked out Logan with the hilt of muramasa blade, typical wtf moment from Way's run.

I remember reading that. Was kind of stupid. 😄

And so people aren't thinking I'm just being contrary or "stupid", I'm just beating around the bush until people start posting Blade and Wolverine feats so they can be definitively stacked against one another. It helps prove the outcome of a fight more succinctly then just saying "He wins because I say he's better".

Why would prep benefit Blade here? IOW, what prep feats does he have under his belt to suggest that he beats Logan if given time?

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
The proof of his feats being superior?

They are both low superhuman, but Wolverine's has had much more appearances and thus better feats.

Let's look at strength ones for example. Logan broke from Ursa Major's hold, was swimming and climbing with a piano attached to him, used a tree as a club, kept the freight car from separating from the rest of the train, a pickup truck didn't even knock him on his ass (apparently he had to be bracing prior to getting hit)...

Is there a Blade feat that can be compared with those? I think not, but I'll copy and paste the post from his respect thread anyway.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Here are some feats of strength from Blade:

Rips the head off of a vampire with one hand:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/th_BHR1.jpg

Cracks the skull of a Mindless One with a punch:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/th_Bladeadamantiumodachi.jpg

Throws a knife with enough force to knock a vampire off of Spider-Man who was strong enough to hold him down like a baby:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladesavingspidey.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladesavingspidey2.jpg

Holds the massive vampire demon god the Reaper over his head:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/Bladeliftreaper.jpg

Easily shoves a large vampire called Whiteworm quite a distance:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/BladestrengthWiz.jpg

Casually rips open a set of metal elevator doors bending them in the process:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/Bladeadamantiumodachi2.jpg

Burrows his way to the surface with his hands from a underground cave:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/BladedigginBlade2.jpg

One handed throws a vampire across a bar:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/BladestrengthTOD1.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/BladestrengthTOD1-2.jpg

Easily tears a metal door from the hinges:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/Bladejumps2.jpg

Again, with one hand Blade tosses a vampire over a high security fence:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/Bladestrength-1.jpg

Breaks the coils of Deacon Frost by breaking his arms apart:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/Bladebreaks.jpg

Breaks the back of a vampire assasin:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/Bladebeakingback.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/Bladebeakingback2.jpg

With a injured arm tosses a vampire straight into the air then easily snaps a stone sword and kills her on her way down:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/BladestrengthSOF.jpg

Breaks out of Deacon Frost's grip and stakes his ass:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20fights/BladeandFrost2.jpg

After getting shot Blade kicks down a metal door and bends it from the force of the kick:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/Bladekicks.jpg

Blade knocks down and bends another fairly thick metal door:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/BladestrengthSOF2.jpg

Holds a thug by the throat effortlessly in the air by one hand with his arm outstretched:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Strength/BladestrenthNS17.jpg

Again single handedly holds a vampire with his arm outstretched off a rooftop with ease(during WWII):
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladedracula.jpg

Blade overpowers two MI:13 agents who were trying to restrain him:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20Speed/Bladejumps.jpg

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Wasn't that tactic what helped attribute that the fight between Wolverine and Blade was poorly written when S.H.I.E.L.D. sent him to hunt Logan down?

Yeah, but what else would Blade do with prep? He seems to believe it would work on Logan.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
I remember reading that. Was kind of stupid. 😄

And so people aren't thinking I'm just being contrary or "stupid", I'm just beating around the bush until people start posting Blade and Wolverine feats so they can be definitively stacked against one another. It helps prove the outcome of a fight more succinctly then just saying "He wins because I say he's better".

Yes, I can see what you're doing here. You're right of course, just don't expect many responses 'cause a) it's been done to the death b) KMC is unfamiliar with Eric Brooks 😛

The most impressive of those strength feats were the ones concerning Spider-man. Do we know exactly how physically strong that vampire was, because Spider-man clearly outclasses any vampires (even Varnae) by a large margin.

But Wolverine most certainly has the better strength feats, especially breaking free from being grappled by a Class 15 character.

Yeah, but what else would Blade do with prep? He seems to believe it would work on Logan.

Not exactly sure. As said, I'm playing more a facilitator role then a debater for either side.

Yes, I can see what you're doing here. You're right of course, just don't expect many responses 'cause a) it's been done to the death b) KMC is unfamiliar with Eric Brooks stick out tongue 😛

It is a shame that people don't bother to learn characters' names. 😆

And I have come across multiple Blade v. Wolverine threads but all of them were more or less what I am avoiding with this thread. A lot of claims and opinions but no hard evidence.

So, moving on: We've proved that Wolverine has the strength advantage over Blade, but what about combat skill, speed and reflexes and durability?

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
The most impressive of those strength feats were the ones concerning Spider-man. Do we know exactly how physically strong that vampire was, because Spider-man clearly outclasses any vampires (even Varnae) by a large margin.

No idea.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Not exactly sure. As said, I'm playing more a facilitator role then a debater for either side.

OK. Anti-vampire weaponry won't work well on Logan, explosives (not sure if it's Blade's style) could slow him down but that's all.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
It is a shame that people don't bother to learn characters' names. 😆

And I have come across multiple Blade v. Wolverine threads but all of them were more or less what I am avoiding with this thread. A lot of claims and opinions but no hard evidence.

So, moving on: We've proved that Wolverine has the strength advantage over Blade, but what about combat skill, speed and reflexes and durability?

I see.

Ize19 wrote a very nice post concerning Logan's skill a year ago. I'll just quote him. Wolverine has the skill advantage, no doubt.

Originally posted by Ize19
Okay, can we put this notion that Wolverine is not a top tier fighter to rest now? I mean, honestly, it really does get tiring seeing that posted again and again. Listen, if you haven't seen enough to make you believe that Wolverine is a Top Tier martial artist, then how about I show you he is ?

Okay, so your main worry is that Wolverine's physical abilities give him an edge that the other top tier's don't have, correct? Well, here we have him fighting against Domina, the leader of the Neo, a group of superhumans. She has already dominated Sabretooth, killed Sinister, and handled an X-Men team composed of Thunderbird, Psylocke, Cicilia Reyes, Colossus, Rogue, and Nightcrawler. Then Wolverine comes onto the scene, and does this:

Here he goes up against 5000 Hand ninja, along with Elektra (who's been edited out, but definitely did her fair share,) and decimates them, without getting scratched:

If you think that the lack of a torn up uniform isn't evidence of not getting injured, then check out how this artist drew Wolverine when he was taking while he got:

Here Wolverine takes on both Shogun and Azrael, one having, according to Wolverine:

"move like the Hand, and speed like the Gorgon"
http://yfrog.com/6wwolverinev2ch05727j

And the other being the thousands of years old Angel of Death. Wolverine deals with both handily:

http://yfrog.com/3dwolverinev2ch06123j
http://yfrog.com/9gwolverinev2ch06125j
http://yfrog.com/1awolverinev2ch06127j

Here Wolverine faces off against, and forces onto the defensive, an Iron Fist more powerful and skilled than Danny Rand (Pre-Upgrade,):

http://img263.imageshack.us/i/ironfistandwolverine041.jpg/

But of course, who you can beat isn't everything (Otherwise I would have posted more scansof Ogun, Shingen, Stick, Shang Chi, Daredevil, and Captain America.) So here are some instances of Wolverine's fighting knowledge.

In this scan, we learn about Wolverine's knowledge of "nerve clusters, crucial pressure points, where a blow can instantly paralyze someone, or kill."

http://yfrog.com/0ywolverinels0117j

It makes sense he'd know these, as he can "incapacitate, mobilize... maim and cripple a hundred different ways":

http://img299.imageshack.us/i/mcpch11408.jpg/

We see him put that knowledge to use here, against a brick in another dimension:

http://yfrog.com/1rloganpotw39j

And here we see him knee Captain America in the thigh, giving him a "Femoral artery pseudo-aneurism" that sends him to the hospital (though not immediately):

http://yfrog.com/eswoch0041213j

And of course, his most impressive to date, crumbling a chi-amping brick who "hits like the Thing, if the Thing was a ninth degree black belt and could kick you in the face ":

http://yfrog.com/69wolverinemdch0210j
http://yfrog.com/08wolverinemdch0212j
(The actual feat)http://yfrog.com/j4wolverinemd041617j

You can also consider his knowledge and ability with joint locks. How about a small sampling for that?

http://yfrog.com/3dwolverinev2ch00306j
http://yfrog.com/j9uxmch39714j
http://yfrog.com/3vuxmch22813j
http://yfrog.com/0cuxmch17313j

Wolverine is dangerous, whether he can use his hands, or not:

http://yfrog.com/emwolverinev2ch03917j
http://yfrog.com/0juxmch15211j
http://yfrog.com/6wuxmch27205j

Wolverine is also capable of attacking in several directions simultaneously:

http://yfrog.com/jkwolverinev1ch1520708j
http://yfrog.com/j4wolverinev2ch0092021j
http://yfrog.com/bgwolverinev2ch02008j

Oh yeah, and he can convince Hand ninja and Hydra soldiers, that he's Captain America - while using a trash can lid for a shield:

http://yfrog.com/j9wolverinev1ch12706j
http://yfrog.com/b9wolverinev1ch12707j
http://yfrog.com/2pwolverinev1ch12708j

Honestly, I don't know what more the guy has to do to prove his martial arts ability to you, but if there is anything, let me know, cause he definitely has more. Otherwise, it would be nice to be able to go on the forums again without people constantly trying to downgrade Wolverine's skills, just because he's a mutant.

And here's the link to Blade's thread (there's a skill section there):

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t532484.html

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There's also this:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/BladekillsMCP.jpg

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7751/wls4pg20.jpg (Wolverine is in a wounded state, having just defeated Shingen)

100 different ways to kill > 26

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It's even more obvious which character is more durable out of the two... Wolverine heals extremely fast, has ridiculous damage soak... Blade just doesn't operate on that level. I think it's common knowledge.

Will do speed/reflexes later.

Didn't Logan do some crazy shit like beat Shang Chi in four moves, too?

Originally posted by Harbinger
Didn't Logan do some crazy shit like beat Shang Chi in four moves, too?

Yep.

His savagery has not bred undiscipline. For a westerner, his focus and control rivals that of a samurai! Rarely have I seen the like!

props to jinzin