James Howlett vs. Eric Brooks

Wolverine and Blade have the same basic power and skill set... only Wolverine is several levels above Blade in virtually every way. This is essentially as close as you can get to Batman vs Robin (Damian), involving Wolverine. Simple fact, Blade doesn't stand a snow balls chance in hell against Wolverine, Logan would beat his ass as easily as he does Shatterstar, or you know... as easily has he already beat Blade.

The only way Blade could conceivably win is if we pretend that his magical weapons will have any effect at all on Wolverine... which is a stretch. As far as I know Wolverine doesn't have any magical weaknesses, specifically to holy, blessed and religious artifacts.

Most people don't even know Blade's real name is Eric Brooks, this is funny sh!t.

Wolverine wins. He's designed to not to loose to street levels.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
What about the factor of Wolverine going berserk? I think he could get more than 6/10. That's my opinion and I'm not saying you're wrong or anything. But most can't deal with Wolverine when he gos berserk.

Originally posted by Harbinger
Why would prep benefit Blade here? IOW, what prep feats does he have under his belt to suggest that he beats Logan if given time?

Originally posted by Trackz
When Blade prep it wouldn't make that much of a difference in my opinion

What can Blade do to stop him with prep while Logan's berserk? I just don't see it. In Wolverine vol. 2 #51 he fought Shingen, Lady Deathstrike, Sabretooth and Ogun at the same time in the Danger room. It states in that issue; Wolverine's mind operates like an athlete performing a gold metal routine while beating 4 chest computers at the same time.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
What can Blade do to stop him with prep while Logan's berserk? I just don't see it. In Wolverine vol. 2 #51 he fought Shingen, Lady Deathstrike, Sabretooth and Ogun at the same time in the Danger room. It states in that issue; Wolverine's mind operates like an athlete performing a gold metal routine while beating 4 chest computers at the same time.

Originally posted by Trackz
1. The arc when Wolverine killed Sabretooth, Wolverine bled out a couple of times. But why can't we ignore on-panel taxation like on a daily basis Wolverine fighting an assortment of foes and working his healing factor, there are obviously things that weaken it, but his healing really does depend on the writer. I e-mailed Guggenheim about the Wolverine vs. Blade fight a while ago, he confirmed that his third Blade project was a Blade vs. Wolverine one-shot. Tom Brevoort confirmed this on his Formspring.

No, he didn't. Sabretooth either a) pulled out his spine of his neck b) ripped his heart out c) KO'd him with a punch after slashing his throat, headbutt and gouging his eyes.

Blade can't claw his way to get a hold of Wolverine's spine and is not strong enough anyway. He can stab Wolverine in the heart, but that's not really the same as ripping it out. And there are a few instances when he recovered from it quickly/fought without that organ.

When it says on panel Logan doesn't have much fight in him left or is slowed down/in terrible shape (his stats depend on HF) or can't even heal to 100% because of the taxation, that can't be ignored.

Good, I just hope they'll get someone else than Howard Chaykin for the art.

Originally posted by Trackz
2. I mean Blade tanked a blast that shot Captain Britain out of the country, and he withstood the explosion of a Nuclear Facility. I do agree that Wolverine is more durable though which is why I gave him the 6-7 in a straight fight.

I see.

Originally posted by Trackz
3. Well for one I just referenced a weapon that worked on a Duke of Hell, and Dr. Nemesis analyzed his magical bolo and couldn't explain why it worked, Vampires don't have any magical weaknesses that humans dont have outside of the wooden stake to the heart, silver, and sunlight. So you really can't assume something that works on them wouldn't work on anyone else. The point however is Blade has an assortment of resources to draw upon so he would most like win fights 2-3 more often than not. Sunlight doesn't weaken vampires it just burns them up, He was trying to crawl away for his life and Blade restrained him.

What about garlic? 😛

He was hurt and dying, that feat is far from legit. Is Wolverine a legitimate Class 5+++ now because he "overpowered" amped Scarecrow?

Originally posted by Trackz
The reason I've been saying feats dont prove wolverine to be superior is cause they don't, Blade doesn't have enough feats to compare since Wolverine has been in ten times as many issues as him (literally) any opinion that Blade is weaker in any facet would be an assumption, however it hasn't been proved.

We work with what we got. Until we get more feats from Blade or some direct comparisons between two characters (well we already have one that doesn't help Blade here), Wolverine is the winner.

Originally posted by Trackz
Wolverine's performance against vampires hasn't been as impressive as Blades, however we can attribute this to Blade's expertise (wolverine really has no way to kill a vampire other than decapitation)

Logan decimated Ba'al's vamps and in Gischler's run he didn't even need his healing factor in one issue.

Granted, Blade is all about vampire slaying, so he wins here.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
What can Blade do to stop him with prep while Logan's berserk? I just don't see it. In Wolverine vol. 2 #51 he fought Shingen, Lady Deathstrike, Sabretooth and Ogun at the same time in the Danger room. It states in that issue; Wolverine's mind operates like an athlete performing a gold metal routine while beating 4 chest computers at the same time.

Originally posted by Trackz
I mean sabretooth alone has put him down easily while he was going berserk, but sabretooth is a beast. Writers always seem to disagree with this, some people show Wolverine performing better when he keeps a level head. Blade has access to all the magical weapons he could desire due to being a part of MI:13, the bolo alone that he showed in X-men which paralyzed the vampire (That wolverine and colossus were having trouble catching) would probably work well against Logan. Fighting Wolverine is always hard cause you have to get around the healing factor, but it's doable, especially with MI:13's type of prep.

Originally posted by Harbinger
To reiterate.

Originally posted by Uriel005
Anyone have scans of Wolverine punking Silver Samurai in a sword fight.

I don't wanna take away from the man's pride by tellin' 'im that I'd chosen the least painful of the six possible strikes he'd left himself open to (...)

Originally posted by Trackz
He pretty much has magical weapons (as of late) that he pulls out of nowhere. In MI:13 he pulled out a magic sword that was the bane of any demon and used it to cut a duke of hell in half (the only one on the team other than Captain Britain who could harm it). In X-Men he pulls out a magic bolo that paralyzes anything it wraps around (Dr. Nemesis analyzed it and couldn't figure out how it worked) Blade basically enjoys finding new ways to kill his enemies and he has access to some of britain greatest minds too, not to mention Dr. Strange is a long time ally. With prep time against Wolverine in the first fight he brought the vampire vial, according to Guggenheim at the time it would have worked and it secured Blade an edge, however Gischler made it canon that Wolverine can fight off the infection however it paralyzes him and puts him in a great deal of pain.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I don't wanna take away from the man's pride by tellin' 'im that I'd chosen the [b]least painful of the six possible strikes he'd left himself open to (...)

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, he didn't. Sabretooth either a) pulled out his spine of his neck b) ripped his heart out c) KO'd him with a punch after slashing his throat, headbutt and gouging his eyes.

Blade can't claw his way to get a hold of Wolverine's spine and is not strong enough anyway. He can stab Wolverine in the heart, but that's not really the same as ripping it out. And there are a few instances when he recovered from it quickly/fought without that organ.

When it says on panel Logan doesn't have much fight in him left or is slowed down/in terrible shape (his stats depend on HF) or can't even heal to 100% because of the taxation, that can't be ignored.

Good, I just hope they'll get someone else than Howard Chaykin for the art.

I see.

What about garlic? 😛

He was hurt and dying, that feat is far from legit. Is Wolverine a legitimate Class 5+++ now because he "overpowered" amped Scarecrow?

We work with what we got. Until we get more feats from Blade or some direct comparisons between two characters (well we already have one that doesn't help Blade here), Wolverine is the winner.

Logan decimated Ba'al's vamps and in Gischler's run he didn't even need his healing factor in one issue.

Granted, Blade is all about vampire slaying, so he wins here.

1. Wolverine did say he was bleeding out though, no? X-23 bled him out too (by throwing dirt in his wounds, which seemed silly) apparently Wolverines healing factor doesn't work as well if you have claws.

That isn't often said as much as it's assumed by the fans I can think of several instances of him getting KO'd that would rather be forgotten.

2. He's a vampire, we'd already seen a much weaker vampire take Wolverine's claws to the chest smiling, the carniputra or however it's spelled are pretty much better in every way and were flying around too fast for Wolverine and Colossus to catch. Not only that the vampire was flying through the air when the bolo wrapped around it's feet, and it just dropped.

3. What character do we have? I can think of Dracula and Spiderman, and people don't like to use spiderman cause he was vamped out for each fight but Blade looked better in each Spiderman fight (especially since he was weakened for the second one)

4. Where didn't he need his healing? I remember him fighting those blue ones (that were admitted fodder for him) and almost getting drowned.

Regardless I agree that Wolverine wins the straight fight, it's the fights with prep I believe he wins no doubt.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Writers always seem to have different takes on characters. Some writers have Wolverine put down by a bullet to the brain and others have him fried to the bone and up and walking like it's just a walk in the park.

the forum really should do an average of Wolverine's feats cause in Way's run Wolverine was KO'd a lot (Daken knocked him out with one claw to the chest, Romulus KO'd by boomranging a sword hilt into his head, and a couple of child soldiers KO'd him witha barrage of bullets)

Originally posted by Trackz
I mean sabretooth alone has put him down easily while he was going berserk, but sabretooth is a beast. Writers always seem to disagree with this, some people show Wolverine performing better when he keeps a level head. Blade has access to all the magical weapons he could desire due to being a part of MI:13, the bolo alone that he showed in X-men which paralyzed the vampire (That wolverine and colossus were having trouble catching) would probably work well against Logan. Fighting Wolverine is always hard cause you have to get around the healing factor, but it's doable, especially with MI:13's type of prep.

Sabretooth Beat Logan easy one time in their first fight. Other battles like in Uncanny X-Men #213, they're pretty equal. Only Sabretooth has the slight speed and strength advantage.

As for magic weaponry. Unless Blade has something to greatly slow down Logan's HF. Prep with those weapons won't matter. Strike Force X had prep against Logan as well, along with leaser claws and HF. Logan still took down all 12 of them within 5 days using stealth and gorilla warfare tactics.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Sabretooth Beat Logan easy one time in their first fight. Other battles like in Uncanny X-Men #213, they're pretty equal. Only Sabretooth has the slight speed and strength advantage.

As for magic weaponry. Unless Blade has something to greatly slow down Logan's HF. Prep with those weapons won't matter. Strike Force X had prep against Logan as well, along with leaser claws and HF. Logan still took down all 12 of them within 5 days using stealth and gorilla warfare tactics.

I'm talking about Sabretooths last arc in which he put Wolverine down every time.

He's doesn't need to greatly slow down the healing, just tax it, the bolo wrapped around the legs, maybe fire vampire blood into him, lets his healing war with that while he gets peppered full of bullets, Blade has a ranged advantage. He also has good durability himself so he can take a couple of slashes or stabs from Wolverine. Strike Force X could have easily killed Wolverine head-to-head, which is the scenario that we're talking about now. Not only that, the experience gap between Wolverine and Blade isn't as huge as it was between Wolverine and Strike Force.

Originally posted by Trackz
I'm too lazy to do the multiple quotes thing.

No problem.

Originally posted by Trackz
1. Wolverine did say he was bleeding out though, no? X-23 bled him out too (by throwing dirt in his wounds, which seemed silly) apparently Wolverines healing factor doesn't work as well if you have claws.

He did, but the bleeding would stop, it was a combo-to-ko that took him out. Only reason he got stomped like that was 'cause he was shocked by Creed's new smell and tried to make him talk.

Dirt part was silly, yes. Even if it was a viable tactic though, it's a featureless environment here.

Originally posted by Trackz
That isn't often said as much as it's assumed by the fans I can think of several instances of him getting KO'd that would rather be forgotten.

It doesn't need to be. We were shown how his HF works, that's enough.

Feel free to name them. In most "embarassing" ones Wolverine went through hell prior to the knockout.

Originally posted by Trackz
2. He's a vampire, we'd already seen a much weaker vampire take Wolverine's claws to the chest smiling, the carniputra or however it's spelled are pretty much better in every way and were flying around too fast for Wolverine and Colossus to catch. Not only that the vampire was flying through the air when the bolo wrapped around it's feet, and it just dropped.

To the heart. You think Blade would take that with no problem, too? Why Drac avoided stabbing him in a vital area then?

Originally posted by Trackz
3. What character do we have? I can think of Dracula and Spiderman, and people don't like to use spiderman cause he was vamped out for each fight but Blade looked better in each Spiderman fight (especially since he was weakened for the second one)

Spiderman should stick to fighting powerless bank robbers and leave real superhero job to professionals.

Originally posted by Trackz
4. Where didn't he need his healing? I remember him fighting those blue ones (that were admitted fodder for him) and almost getting drowned.

The vamp that tried to drown him was one of those winged ones, no? And he got one-shotted.

Originally posted by Trackz
Regardless I agree that Wolverine wins the straight fight, it's the fights with prep I believe he wins no doubt.

Wolverine has good showings against prepped characters, even when they prepped the battlefield (which is not allowed here). It would take something big to stop him, especially in scenario 3.

Originally posted by Trackz
I'm talking about Sabretooths last arc in which he put Wolverine down every time.

He's doesn't need to greatly slow down the healing, just tax it, the bolo wrapped around the legs, maybe fire vampire blood into him, lets his healing war with that while he gets peppered full of bullets, Blade has a ranged advantage. He also has good durability himself so he can take a couple of slashes or stabs from Wolverine. Strike Force X could have easily killed Wolverine head-to-head, which is the scenario that we're talking about now. Not only that, the experience gap between Wolverine and Blade isn't as huge as it was between Wolverine and Strike Force.

1. They were only 12 of them. All highly trained and skilled.

2. Wolverine had to retreat into the forest, and use stealth to overcome. And it took Logan 5 days to take them down.

Have we not seen Logan take on 100 pirates in Wolverine vol 2 #1 in less time? In this very thread Wolverine is seen with Elektra taking on 5000 Hand ninjas all at once.

Strike Force X clearly, given their abilities gave Logan more trouble than most groups he's faced. But no. They wouldn't have killed Logan face to face easy. Because it didn't happen.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Strike Force X needs more credit.

1. They were only 12 of them. All highly trained and skilled.

2. Wolverine had to retreat into the forest, and use stealth to overcome. And it took Logan 5 days to take them down.

Have we not seen Logan take on 100 pirates in Wolverine vol 2 #1 in less time? In this very thread Wolverine is seen with Elektra taking on 5000 Hand ninjas all at once.

Strike Force X clearly, given their abilities gave Logan more trouble than most groups he's faced. But no. They wouldn't have killed Logan face to face easy. Because it didn't happen.

Just chiming in, it's not a feature-less environment.

I did specifically set the battleground as the city of Rio with all the amenities, tools, vehicles, etc. the city would normally have.