James Howlett vs. Eric Brooks

Originally posted by Trackz
the forum really should do an average of Wolverine's feats cause in Way's run Wolverine was KO'd a lot (Daken knocked him out with one claw to the chest, Romulus KO'd by boomranging a sword hilt into his head, and a couple of child soldiers KO'd him witha barrage of bullets)

Way is a joke. One time he writes Logan being able to recover from the skeleton in extremely short time or from getting nuked in a few hours, to no-sell Armor (in giant mode) smashing him on the Danger Room wall, to stay awake after getting tail-whipped twice by Fin Fang Foom who then falls with Logan on his back, other times he gets sent to sleep easily.

Anyway, in the Daken instance Wolverine prior to the stab got beaten the shit out of him by Victor Hudson who had brick-like strength level.

Romulus example is ridiculous, Wolverine was taking his superhuman strikes with no bigger problem, but a sword handle knocks him out? Lol? In his defense, his HF was working poorly after OR fight, couldn't even heal his burned arms in several hours... in New X-Men it took him a few pages to basically grow a new arm (Nova fight).

Did those kids really knock him out? Or was he playing possum? His HF works on adrenaline and he certainly didn't want to fight those kids.

Originally posted by Trackz
I mean I don't think you can compare Pirates (essentially witless thugs) to Strike Force. Wolverine admitted that if he tried to take them all on head-to-head they would've killed him, which is why he resorted to guerilla tactics. Hand Ninja are the worst kind of fodder.

I'm not comparing them so much as comparing the number of opponents Wolverine faced at one time and still take blows and stab wounds. I believe Strike Force X would have taxed his HF if he faced them all at once for sure but not kill him. Notice how Logan didn't go berserk. That would have made a big difference. And if there would have been a time for him to be killed it would have happened when Logan fought Nitro. But Blade is one man trying to tax Logan's HF or take with prep. I don't see it.

Originally posted by Trackz
I mean I don't think you can compare Pirates (essentially witless thugs) to Strike Force. Wolverine admitted that if he tried to take them all on head-to-head they would've killed him, which is why he resorted to guerilla tactics. Hand Ninja are the worst kind of fodder.

No, they're not. They have good showings against Cap, Widow, Kingpin (who got pwned), Murdock, Cage...

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Just chiming in, it's not a feature-less environment.

I did specifically set the battleground as the city of Rio with all the amenities, tools, vehicles, etc. the city would normally have.

Ah yes, I forgot, sorry 😛

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No problem.

He did, but the bleeding would stop, it was a combo-to-ko that took him out. Only reason he got stomped like that was 'cause he was shocked by Creed's new smell and tried to make him talk.

Dirt part was silly, yes. Even if it was a viable tactic though, it's a featureless environment here.

It doesn't need to be. We were shown how his HF works, that's enough.

Feel free to name them. In most "embarassing" ones Wolverine went through hell prior to the knockout.

To the heart. You think Blade would take that with no problem, too? Why Drac avoided stabbing him in a vital area then?

Spiderman should stick to fighting powerless bank robbers and leave real superhero job to professionals.

The vamp that tried to drown him was one of those winged ones, no? And he got one-shotted.

Wolverine has good showings against prepped characters, even when they prepped the battlefield (which is not allowed here). It would take something big to stop him, especially in scenario 3.

1. Well I was never under the assumption that one could slash logan once and watch him bleed into unconsciousness. The point was that enough slashes and what not can put him down. If you keep him bleeding he passes out. This tactic has worked on Deadpool before too.

2. Captain America shield bashed him, FrankenCastle manhandled him, James Rogers shieldbashed him then kicked him in the head, Romulus hit him in the head with a sword hilt, Daken stabbed him in the chest with a claw, Daredevil made him fall on a sword or something silly like that, and there are more. I'm still under the assumption Wolverine's healing factor is under a strain most of the time, he rarely has down time ever because monday through wednesday he's fighting the Red Right Hand, then on Thursday he's in the Age of Apocalypse with X-force til Saturday, then he's trying to deal with the Worthy with the Avengers Sunday, but he has his own problems again next week. I don't see how his healing could ever be in top shape.

3. I do believe Blade wouldn't have that problem. Blade's powers, unlike Logans, actually run on blood - which he hadn't had since he got to England. He really was running low most of the arc even then he pulled the sword out him and was fighting like nothing had happened. Honestly Guggenheim was all over the place with Blade's powers since he was learning as he went along but he confirmed that Blade had vampiric healing. Regardless the point was that the bolo has the power to paralyze those it's around.

4. I forgot Peter's your favorite character

5. I think it was an Atlantean vampire , Wolverine somehow stabbed and scared it off, but then again Xarus' plan the whole time was to have Jubilee bite Logan.

6. Deadpool put him down, who else has he fought prepped? I'm drawing a blank right now. Even if Blade shoots vampire blood into him which paralyzes him Blade just shoots a bullet in his head, if Wolverine turns into a vampire, even for a second, that's instant death since they're not fighting at night.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Way is a joke. One time he writes Logan being able to recover from the skeleton in extremely short time or from getting nuked in a few hours, to no-sell Armor (in giant mode) smashing him on the Danger Room wall, to stay awake after getting tail-whipped twice by Fin Fang Foom who then falls with Logan on his back, other times he gets sent to sleep easily.

Anyway, in the Daken instance Wolverine prior to the stab got beaten the shit out of him by Victor Hudson who had brick-like strength level.

Romulus example is ridiculous, Wolverine was taking his superhuman strikes with no bigger problem, but a sword handle knocks him out? Lol? In his defense, his HF was working poorly after OR fight, couldn't even heal his burned arms in several hours... in New X-Men it took him a few pages to basically grow a new arm (Nova fight).

Did those kids really knock him out? Or was he playing possum? His HF works on adrenaline and he certainly didn't want to fight those kids.

My point was his healing is all over the place, and he was sneak attacked by James.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
I'm not comparing them so much as comparing the number of opponents Wolverine faced at one time and still take blows and stab wounds. I believe Strike Force X would have taxed his HF if he faced them all at once for sure but not kill him. Notice how Logan didn't go berserk. That would have made a big difference. And if there would have been a time for him to be killed it would have happened when Logan fought Nitro. But Blade is one man trying to tax Logan's HF or take with prep. I don't see it.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, they're not. They have good showings against Cap, Widow, Kingpin (who got pwned), Murdock, Cage...

Ah yes, I forgot, sorry 😛

And FrankenCastle destroyed an army of them, Daredevil has put down his fair share. For an army of immortal zombie ninjas, their performances have been mediocre.

How would anime Blade do against anime Wolverine?

Originally posted by juggernaut74
How would anime Blade do against anime Wolverine?

Originally posted by Trackz
1. Well I was never under the assumption that one could slash logan once and watch him bleed into unconsciousness. The point was that enough slashes and what not can put him down. If you keep him bleeding he passes out. This tactic has worked on Deadpool before too.

That's correct, but does Blade have what it takes? Looking at their fight and feats, no.

Originally posted by Trackz
2. Captain America shield bashed him, FrankenCastle manhandled him, James Rogers shieldbashed him then kicked him in the head, Romulus hit him in the head with a sword hilt, Daken stabbed him in the chest with a claw, Daredevil made him fall on a sword or something silly like that, and there are more. I'm still under the assumption Wolverine's healing factor is under a strain most of the time, he rarely has down time ever because monday through wednesday he's fighting the Red Right Hand, then on Thursday he's in the Age of Apocalypse with X-force til Saturday, then he's trying to deal with the Worthy with the Avengers Sunday, but he has his own problems again next week. I don't see how his healing could ever be in top shape.

Wolverine took blasts from Rachel Phoenix and Cyke before that. He hasn't even healed from Scott one when Cap hit him. "Never been such a mess".

Getting 4shotted by Bloodgem Frankencastle ain't that bad. But the difference between Remender's and Way's HFs is enormous, as shown in that cross. Daken with no adamantium skeleton and inferior healing factor took loads of punishment from Frank and kept coming.

It wasn't little Cap that kicked him in the head, I think.

He made him fall on a sword, yes, but it didn't do much. Wolverine didn't know how much time he had before HYDRA regained control over his mind (as he stated), that's why he didn't pull the thing out.

Originally posted by Trackz
3. I do believe Blade wouldn't have that problem. Blade's powers, unlike Logans, actually run on blood - which he hadn't had since he got to England. He really was running low most of the arc even then he pulled the sword out him and was fighting like nothing had happened. Honestly Guggenheim was all over the place with Blade's powers since he was learning as he went along but he confirmed that Blade had vampiric healing. Regardless the point was that the bolo has the power to paralyze those it's around.

Well, that explains.

It doesn't have the power to resist being cut though 😛

Originally posted by Trackz
4. I forgot Peter's your favorite character

I read Remender's Venom 😄 Hell, even Flash, his most hardcore in-universe fanboy starts to hate him now. Win.

Originally posted by Trackz
5. I think it was an Atlantean vampire , Wolverine somehow stabbed and scared it off, but then again Xarus' plan the whole time was to have Jubilee bite Logan.

I need to re-read it. Xarus also called Wolverine one of the most powerful X-Men 😉

Originally posted by Trackz
6. Deadpool put him down, who else has he fought prepped? I'm drawing a blank right now. Even if Blade shoots vampire blood into him which paralyzes him Blade just shoots a bullet in his head, if Wolverine turns into a vampire, even for a second, that's instant death since they're not fighting at night.

With Deadpool it was a double-ko and Logan wanted to lose.

Winter Soldier, Mystique, Nick Fury...

I thought it took longer than a second for vamps to die from a daylight? It might not be enough to burn all the flesh away.

Chiming in again, the fight takes place at Dusk so the sun has more or less set.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's correct, but does Blade have what it takes? Looking at their fight and feats, no.

Wolverine took blasts from Rachel Phoenix and Cyke before that. He hasn't even healed from Scott one when Cap hit him. "Never been such a mess".

Getting 4shotted by Bloodgem Frankencastle ain't that bad. But the difference between Remender's and Way's HFs is enormous, as shown in that cross. Daken with no adamantium skeleton and inferior healing factor took loads of punishment from Frank and kept coming.

It wasn't little Cap that kicked him in the head, I think.

He made him fall on a sword, yes, but it didn't do much. Wolverine didn't know how much time he had before HYDRA regained control over his mind (as he stated), that's why he didn't pull the thing out.

Well, that explains.

It doesn't have the power to resist being cut though 😛

I read Remender's Venom 😄 Hell, even Flash, his most hardcore in-universe fanboy starts to hate him now. Win.

I need to re-read it. Xarus also called Wolverine one of the most powerful X-Men 😉

With Deadpool it was a double-ko and Logan wanted to lose.

Winter Soldier, Mystique, Nick Fury...

I thought it took longer than a second for vamps to die from a daylight? It might not be enough to burn all the flesh away.

1. Blade isn't superior to Wolverine so if they went cut for cut, Wolverine would win, Blade does have the aid of his ranged weapons so he would go into a head-to-head encounter with a big of a ranged advantaged and he could definitely do some damage, I could see him taking three wins if everything goes right for him.

2. It was little cap, it was in Avengers right after they had been transported to the future, Wolverine smelled something and the shield came up and rocked him in the face and then got a kick to the face by James and he was out. But like you said his healing works on adrenaline and he was taken by surprise.

3. Wolverine could still win against a prepped Blade but not more often than not, I say the odds get flipped with Blade winning about 7/10 again Wolverine. The vampire straight dropped out of the sky as soon as the bolo came across him and he could barely stand, bolo+shot of vampire blood=wolverine paralyzed for all intents and purposes then a silver bullet if he's vampire long enough to us it, if not just tear him up while he can. That's if he doesn't figure out some other way.

4. Vampires have managed to survive the sunlight for a bit, it depends on the writer/importance of character. Fodder vamps will usually go up instantaneously, important character usually get long enough to issue a dying diatribe or get out of the sun.

Even though guggenheim is all over the place with Blade, we should really get an idea of where Blade stands in the mainstream after the Blade/Wolverine one-shots comes out, although Marvel doesn't seem to be in any rush to put it out. Blade and Wolverine should be fighting in the Marvel Anime's too. They're my two favorite characters so they'll always be even in my eyes.

Originally posted by Trackz
Wolverine on-panel was told he would've been killed, and berserk doesn't always help him, against strike force he probably would've been put down fast. I don't think they could've killed him but that's what the writer wrote.

Wolverine has been in worse on-panel and not die. Logan's HF isn't what it was in the late 80's to mid 90's. It's better now. And yes if Wolverine goes berserk it will be over faster.

Wolverine vol 2 #22 Wolverine took out a military tank and got caught in an explosion mid leap. He states that the explosive rounds in the tank went off as the tank was destroyed. Giving Logan 100 new wounds to add to ones he already had. So it will take more than what Blade can do to get job done here.

I play Marvel vs.Capcom a lot. And I was telling someone the other day that Wolverine's moves in the game are not hyped up to new levels. That berserker berrage, Berserker Slash, and his speed dash are all very true. What Logan did to Geist in issue #23 was basically the berserker berrage without the forward dash to his opponent. Wolverine is that fast. I highly doubt Blade is landing more slashes than Logan. No way. And guns? C'mon It's Wolverine here.

I'll give Wolverine 7-8/10 here in all scenarios.

Originally posted by Trackz
1. Blade isn't superior to Wolverine so if they went cut for cut, Wolverine would win, Blade does have the aid of his ranged weapons so he would go into a head-to-head encounter with a big of a ranged advantaged and he could definitely do some damage, I could see him taking three wins if everything goes right for him.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Trackz
2. It was little cap, it was in Avengers right after they had been transported to the future, Wolverine smelled something and the shield came up and rocked him in the face and then got a kick to the face by James and he was out. But like you said his healing works on adrenaline and he was taken by surprise.

I know what issue you're referring to. I just thought for some reason that boot belonged to someone else. I'll check later to make sure.

Originally posted by Trackz
3. Wolverine could still win against a prepped Blade but not more often than not, I say the odds get flipped with Blade winning about 7/10 again Wolverine. The vampire straight dropped out of the sky as soon as the bolo came across him and he could barely stand, bolo+shot of vampire blood=wolverine paralyzed for all intents and purposes then a silver bullet if he's vampire long enough to us it, if not just tear him up while he can. That's if he doesn't figure out some other way.

I'm not convinced if that would put him down for good, I could see Logan's dead vampire body reverting back to normal and him waking up. But yeah, that would count as a forum win.

Originally posted by Trackz
4. Vampires have managed to survive the sunlight for a bit, it depends on the writer/importance of character. Fodder vamps will usually go up instantaneously, important character usually get long enough to issue a dying diatribe or get out of the sun.

Ic.

Originally posted by Trackz
Even though guggenheim is all over the place with Blade, we should really get an idea of where Blade stands in the mainstream after the Blade/Wolverine one-shots comes out, although Marvel doesn't seem to be in any rush to put it out. Blade and Wolverine should be fighting in the Marvel Anime's too. They're my two favorite characters so they'll always be even in my eyes.

Is Blade anime any good? Only checked out Wolverine one and some X-Men.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Wolverine has been in worse on-panel and not die. Logan's HF isn't what it was in the late 80's to mid 90's. It's better now. And yes if Wolverine goes berserk it will be over faster.

Wolverine vol 2 #22 Wolverine took out a military tank and got caught in an explosion mid leap. He states that the explosive rounds in the tank went off as the tank was destroyed. Giving Logan 100 new wounds to add to ones he already had. So it will take more than what Blade can do to get job done here.

I play Marvel vs.Capcom a lot. And I was telling someone the other day that Wolverine's moves in the game are not hyped up to new levels. That berserker berrage, Berserker Slash, and his speed dash are all very true. What Logan did to Geist in issue #23 was basically the berserker berrage without the forward dash to his opponent. Wolverine is that fast. I highly doubt Blade is landing more slashes than Logan. No way. And guns? C'mon It's Wolverine here.

I'll give Wolverine 7-8/10 here in all scenarios.

I don't understand why you brought up a videogame to support your point...but there speed feats are at the very least comparable, Blade has plenty that rank up there with Wolverines. Onedumbgo has assembled a nice little collage of pictures in which well-placed gun wounds put down Logan, obviously the bullets alone wouldn't put him down but in addition to the damage he could do with prep? Wolverine would get KO'd exampel the vampire virus, magic bolo, and what not. Not to mention all the magical resources MI:13 and Dr. Strange could give him if he so desired.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Fair enough.

I know what issue you're referring to. I just thought for some reason that boot belonged to someone else. I'll check later to make sure.

I'm not convinced if that would put him down for good, I could see Logan's dead vampire body reverting back to normal and him waking up. But yeah, that would count as a forum win.

Ic.

Is Blade anime any good? Only checked out Wolverine one and some X-Men.

I would be curious to see how Wolverine healing factor would perform if he was being turn to ash, he might manage to survive but a KO is a win like you said.

The Blade anime so far has been pretty interesting, better the Wolverine in my opinion, but the Anime's always start out strong and drag in the middle. The animation in the X-men is the best of all four animes though.

Originally posted by Trackz
I would be curious to see how Wolverine healing factor would perform if he was being turn to ash, he might manage to survive but a KO is a win like you said.

The Blade anime so far has been pretty interesting, better the Wolverine in my opinion, but the Anime's always start out strong and drag in the middle. The animation in the X-men is the best of all four animes though.

He's survived incineration in the concentration camp (off-panel).

Animation yes, but story sucks... I stopped watching after ep5, did it get better?

Originally posted by Trackz
You're disagreeing with the writer here, not me.

I don't understand why you brought up a videogame to support your point...but there speed feats are at the very least comparable, Blade has plenty that rank up there with Wolverines. Onedumbgo has assembled a nice little collage of pictures in which well-placed gun wounds put down Logan, obviously the bullets alone wouldn't put him down but in addition to the damage he could do with prep? Wolverine would get KO'd exampel the vampire virus, magic bolo, and what not. Not to mention all the magical resources MI:13 and Dr. Strange could give him if he so desired.

SMH.... Clearly the game isn't really for proof. The point however is that Logan's speed and fighting moves in-game are on point with what he can do in a comic that's all. But he is that fast and I've seen even better on-panel from Logan. Anyway about the magical resources at MI:13. I don't know how affective they would be against Wolverine or if Eric would use it for him because of CIS. I don't read Blade but I have seen some scans and a lot of research on powers and ability.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He's survived incineration in the concentration camp (off-panel).

Animation yes, but story sucks... I stopped watching after ep5, did it get better?

It got better the last couple of episodes, I thought it was stupid that some old guy could challenge him just because he was a sword-master though.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
SMH.... Clearly the game isn't really for proof. The point however is that Logan's speed and fighting moves in-game are on point with what he can do in a comic that's all. But he is that fast and I've seen even better on-panel from Logan. Anyway about the magical resources at MI:13. I don't know how affective they would be against Wolverine or if Eric would use it for him because of CIS. I don't read Blade but I have seen some scans and a lot of research on powers and ability.

Blade has used every type of weapon in the book and is part of the reason MI:13 out prepped Dracula in Vampire State. There will be no CIS preventing him from coming well-equipped.