About speed. Spider-Man initially thought Logan was faster than him, mistook Daken's vanishing trick that he accomplishes thanks to his pheromones for Wolverine-lv speed... we know Logan is faster than Thor and Namor...
Blade and Logan are much closer in this department than in others, granted. But Logan has more showings and replicated or even outperformed most of Blade's feats, if not all.
Wolverine's speed and reflexes:
1. Respect thread p1, speed section
2. Respect thread p18, last posts by jinzin
3. More stuff in the thread that needs to be organized... there was a scan of Wolverine cutting Cyclops' knife faster than he could see, preventing him from killing a deer. In the The Best There Is he moved faster than a mini-rocket.
4. Nice compilation here by srank:
Speed of thought. A severely weakened, Wolverine shows Psylocke that his thought and action are one in the same.http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/__hr_Page21.jpg
An actually number, Wolverine's reaction time is .038 seconds.
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2273/weaponxfirstclass020021em4.jpg
Wolverine blitzes four bikers, killing them all simultaneously.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Wolverine_FtaS_025.jpgFaster than human eyes can follow.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3582/namortoofast2tw4.jpg
Again. Faster than the human eye can follow.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/855/fasterthaneyescanfollowpw5.jpg
Both Wolverine and Sabretooth are almost too fast for Psylocke to follow.
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8915/sabesab5.jpg
Cyclops can't even track the Prime Sentinels, but Wolverine engages them in melee no problem.
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3834/vnewsentinalfl6.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1060/vnewsentinal2sy1.jpgHe moves like lightning.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/mcp-38-30.jpg
Lightning reflexes.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-39-08.jpg
Nothing human could have moved that fast.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/Wolverine_n31-p04-1.jpg
Impossible. No one can move that fast.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-124b-06.jpg
A terrorists decides to take a shot at Wolverine from more than 20 feet away. The bullet grazes Wolverine's cheek and he speed blitzes his assailant, closing the ground between them instantly and severing the shooters arm.
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8499/xmenv2133p03gm1.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6867/bulletsidestepkq1.jpgWolverine cuts a barrage of arrows out of the air... and his claws were still sheathed in his arms when the arrows were fired.
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/3575/wolviemd1lucybutlerdcp0nx6.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6679/wolviemd1lucybutlerdcp0vc8.jpgWolverine displays some superhuman speed, moving as a blur.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-124b-07.jpg
Wolverine speed blitzes Domina, who herself was able to sole an group of X-Men
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/__hr_XM102pg21.jpg
Even Spider-man questions his speed in regards to Wolverine and wonders if Logan might be faster.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/SpidermanvsWolverine55.jpg
Wolverine is faster than Namor.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/n-24-14.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/n-24-15.jpgThe Weapon X Program wants to see how Wolverine fairs against a massive bear. He kills it before Hines can say "Four Minutes and twenty one seconds," too fast for the bear to even react.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Weapon_X_TPB_058.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Weapon_X_TPB_059.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Weapon_X_TPB_060.jpgWolverine blocks the barrel of a gun claws, after the trigger was pulled but before the bullet leaves the chamber.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/Wolverine_n43-p14-1.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/Wolverine_n43-p15-1.jpgWolverine slices a skintight suit of armor off Geist in the time it takes from him to say clean shave.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2959/wolverine40pe3.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7945/wolverine41gz4.jpgReplicates the feat against Doc Sampson.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/892/samsonripdp5.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6002/samsonrip2od2.jpgWolverine speed blitzes some Danger Room robots. He lets go his his cigars, trashes the robots and then grabs his cigars before they can start to descend.
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6633/twosecondstt9.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4643/twoseconds3cd9.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5056/twoseconds2sy3.jpgWolverine avoids the blows of a group of Martial artists skilled to kill with a single blow, during a ritual / write of passage.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7449/villlagetm0.jpg
Nightcrawler is knocked from his perch and before he can fall the 10-20 feet into the fire bellow, Wolverine cuts a large section out of the wall and catches him.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7726/elfcatchinlv7.jpg
With a blade inches from his head, Wolverine turns at the last moment and blocks the thrust. He engages his assailant... and does a second last second dodge, while already engaged in combat when a second one attacks him from behind.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-133a-04.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-133a-05.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-133a-06.jpgWith a knife posed inches from his face, Wolverine punches his lunging attacker before the blade makes contact.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/mcp-109a-06.jpg
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Blade:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t532484.html (2nd post)
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Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
While it is an easy assumption Wolverine wins in Durability and Healing Factor, could we please still address it?It's become a point of contention for the reason behind me making this thread.
OK, sure.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Healing and durability feats.Standing in a blaze with ease:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20durability/Bladefire.jpg
Wolverine waded through Mandarin's flame ring.
Gets shot point blank in the back by Punisher and is fine:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20durability/Bladegettinshot.jpgAnd no Blade wasn't wearing kevlar:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20durability/Bladenokevlar.jpg
Gets impaled by Dracula by his own sword:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20durability/Bladestabbed.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20durability/Bladestabbed2.jpg
Survives a crash landing on a Shield aircraft virtually unharmed:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20durability/Bladecrash.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20durability/Bladecrash2.jpg
1. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/thWolverine_51_007.jpg
2. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/thWolverine_51_010.jpg
3. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/thWolverine_51_011.jpg
4. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/thWolverine_51_012.jpg
Gets his gut slashed by Hrolf but heals it up quickly enough to come back and win:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20durability/Bladeslashed.jpg
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/u_11_014-015.jpg
Gets pushed out a 2nd story window and lands on his back:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20durability/Bladedurability.jpg
Gets punched through a castle wall by Deacon Frost but gets right back up:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20fights/BladevsFrost2.jpg
Gets blasted in the back from Lilin after Blade was going to kill Morbius:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20fights/BladevsmorbiusMCP144-2.jpg
Takes a pretty hard cheap shot from upset Spider-Man before he was written as a daywalker:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Spideycheapshot.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Bladevsspidey.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Vampirespeed.jpg
I can't get him to stop smiling.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Great durability scans Stilt!Got any equally impressive Healing feats for the boys back home?
Thanks 🙂 With Wolverine it's mostly about the healing and damage soak. It may seem he has a brick-like durability, but in reality he just heals crushed organs (for example from Class 100 attacks) almost instantly. Adamantium helps sure, but it doesn't work like Cap's shield.
Anyway, here's another nice example of battlefield regen:
Regenerating from getting reduced to the skeleton, nuked... plus chopper feat (since I don't have the scans of the Mandarin one it has to suffice):
Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine gets blasted by a plasma weapon that reduces him to an admantium skeleton, the next panel he's shown in he's already covered in flesh, and after a few more short minutes he's nearly fully healed:
1. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/9547/thesuitwf0.jpg
2. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4983/thesuit2kp9.jpg
3. http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1226/thesuit3jb9.jpgAlmost immediately after that he gets nuked at ground zero; He heals a few hours later and his reaction is priceless:
1. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4433/89935364mk5.png
2. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4074/n2cv4.png
3. http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2495/n3xw2.png
4. http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/5007/n4hp0.png
5. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4788/n5oj4.png
6. http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9495/n6of1.png(*repeat*)Wolverine attacks an apache helicopter head on, whethers the explosion and walks out of the inferno like it's nothing:
1. http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/7672/wolverine1616wb6la1.jpg
2. http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/1927/wolverine1617zl9wj2.jpg
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
I felt it was prudent to post something that is being used by the pro-Blade side as advantage for him over Wolverine.
Heh.
Scalphunter scan - Wolverine was preoccupied, giving orders and fighting. Here he faces Blade alone. It's PIS anyway, there is a bone behind the eye that is laced with adamantium. Sphenoid bone.
Deadpool scan - Logan lost on purpose as that was his plan.
Last two scans from "Get Mystique" arc involve Logan with severely taxed HF.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Nice Healing feats too.The cropped collage was just being used that head shots are an effective tactic at flooring Wolverine, if temporarily.
Ty.
Regular headshots are ineffective. He got shot in the brain. Blade won't be able to do that in the PISless forum fight with no outside help (Scalp), prepping the battlefield (DP) or other factors like Wolverine fighting while starved, dehydrated and exhausted.
1. Wolverine 6-7/10
2. Blade
3. Blade
The writer said that Blade and Wolverine were equals and wanted Blade to come out slightly on top, however we now know it's canon that Wolverine can fight off a vampire infection (we know it does paralyze him though and it takes a couple of seconds) however, Blade also knows that Wolverine can fight it off (he was there when Wolverine fought it off) Blade however has an unknown number of magical artifacts (his magical bolo which can apparently paralyze anything it wraps around and his wordsword which hurt a duke of hell)
feat wise they're pretty equal Wolverine just has more feats, the problem is Blade hasn't been featured in nearly enough comics to really know his levels in regards to 616, which sucks because Mark Millar was able to fix Blade in the ultimate universe in about 12 issues.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWSabretooth has bled out Wolverine plenty of times and Blade has the ranged advantage. Also, Wolverine's healing factor should ALWAYS be taxed based on all the missions and such he goes on from day-to-day. I'm still waiting for Guggenheims Blade vs. Wolverine one-shot to come out so we can have more to evidence.
Ty.Regular headshots are ineffective. He got shot in the brain. Blade won't be able to do that in the PISless forum fight with no outside help (Scalp), prepping the battlefield (DP) or other factors like Wolverine fighting while starved, dehydrated and exhausted.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wolverine waded through Mandarin's flame ring.1. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/thWolverine_51_007.jpg
2. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/thWolverine_51_010.jpg
3. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/thWolverine_51_011.jpg
4. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/thWolverine_51_012.jpghttp://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/u_11_014-015.jpg
I can't get him to stop smiling.
I mean this shows how equal they are, Wolverine's just has more feats that aren't necessarily better than Blade's, he just has nothing to compare them to.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They are both low superhuman, but Wolverine's has had much more appearances and thus better feats.Let's look at strength ones for example. Logan broke from Ursa Major's hold, was swimming and climbing with a piano attached to him, used a tree as a club, kept the freight car from separating from the rest of the train, a pickup truck didn't even knock him on his ass (apparently he had to be bracing prior to getting hit)...
Is there a Blade feat that can be compared with those? I think not, but I'll copy and paste the post from his respect thread anyway.
Yeah, but what else would Blade do with prep? He seems to believe it would work on Logan.
Yes, I can see what you're doing here. You're right of course, just don't expect many responses 'cause a) it's been done to the death b) KMC is unfamiliar with Eric Brooks 😛
Blade has magical weapons, and Blade was there when Wolverine healed from the vampire bite.
Blade has overpowered the Reaper (a giant vampire-god that destroyed Patriot (who had been upgraded to levels above Captain America) and a couple of other feats, but as you said Wolverine just has more feats so not all of them can be compared.
Originally posted by Trackz
Sabretooth has bled out Wolverine plenty of times and Blade has the ranged advantage. Also, Wolverine's healing factor should ALWAYS be taxed based on all the missions and such he goes on from day-to-day. I'm still waiting for Guggenheims Blade vs. Wolverine one-shot to come out so we can have more to evidence.
Like when? Blade ain't no Sabretooth and it's usually a combo of blunt force trauma and piercing damage. Blade is what, 10 times weaker than Sabretooth?
On-panel taxation can't be ignored 😛
Haven't heard of it. When will it be released?
Originally posted by Trackz
I mean this shows how equal they are, Wolverine's just has more feats that aren't necessarily better than Blade's, he just has nothing to compare them to.
Are you kidding me? Starbolt feat is debatable I guess (we'd have to compare his and Lilin blast power and all), but everything else is more impressive. Could have always posted Logan wading through Bastion's continuous blasts.
Wolverine takes hundreds of bullets, sword stabs to both vital and non-vital areas, tanks Wonder Man's haymaker and Spider-Man's barrage of punches... they're not equal in this department, far from it.
Originally posted by Trackz
Blade has magical weapons, and Blade was there when Wolverine healed from the vampire bite.Blade has overpowered the Reaper (a giant vampire-god that destroyed Patriot (who had been upgraded to levels above Captain America) and a couple of other feats, but as you said Wolverine just has more feats so not all of them can be compared.
Magical weapons... that work on vampires. We have yet to see if anyone else would be affected by them.
Reaper seemed to be weakened by sunlight. Do we know how much he weighs anyway? That'd be helpful.
They are in the same range (low superhuman), Wolverine is stronger according to feats and Blade is stronger according to handbooks.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Like when? Blade ain't no Sabretooth and it's usually a combo of blunt force trauma and piercing damage. Blade is what, 10 times weaker than Sabretooth?On-panel taxation can't be ignored 😛
Haven't heard of it. When will it be released?
Are you kidding me? Starbolt feat is debatable I guess (we'd have to compare his and Lilin blast power and all), but everything else is more impressive. Could have always posted Logan wading through Bastion's continuous blasts.
Wolverine takes hundreds of bullets, sword stabs to both vital and non-vital areas, tanks Wonder Man's haymaker and Spider-Man's barrage of punches... they're not equal in this department, far from it.
Magical weapons... that work on vampires. We have yet to see if anyone else would be affected by them.
Reaper seemed to be weakened by sunlight. Do we know how much he weighs anyway? That'd be helpful.
They are in the same range (low superhuman), Wolverine is stronger according to feats and Blade is stronger according to handbooks.
1. The arc when Wolverine killed Sabretooth, Wolverine bled out a couple of times. But why can't we ignore on-panel taxation like on a daily basis Wolverine fighting an assortment of foes and working his healing factor, there are obviously things that weaken it, but his healing really does depend on the writer. I e-mailed Guggenheim about the Wolverine vs. Blade fight a while ago, he confirmed that his third Blade project was a Blade vs. Wolverine one-shot. Tom Brevoort confirmed this on his Formspring.
2. I mean Blade tanked a blast that shot Captain Britain out of the country, and he withstood the explosion of a Nuclear Facility. I do agree that Wolverine is more durable though which is why I gave him the 6-7 in a straight fight.
3. Well for one I just referenced a weapon that worked on a Duke of Hell, and Dr. Nemesis analyzed his magical bolo and couldn't explain why it worked, Vampires don't have any magical weaknesses that humans dont have outside of the wooden stake to the heart, silver, and sunlight. So you really can't assume something that works on them wouldn't work on anyone else. The point however is Blade has an assortment of resources to draw upon so he would most like win fights 2-3 more often than not. Sunlight doesn't weaken vampires it just burns them up, He was trying to crawl away for his life and Blade restrained him.
The reason I've been saying feats dont prove wolverine to be superior is cause they don't, Blade doesn't have enough feats to compare since Wolverine has been in ten times as many issues as him (literally) any opinion that Blade is weaker in any facet would be an assumption, however it hasn't been proved.
Wolverine's performance against vampires hasn't been as impressive as Blades, however we can attribute this to Blade's expertise (wolverine really has no way to kill a vampire other than decapitation)
Originally posted by Marvelknightwhich is why I gave him the win 6-7/10 in a straight fight, cause of his durability.
Wolverine feats are better, clearly. And it isn't about Logan having more feats. For every feat shown in favor of Blade, StiltmanFTW posted scans showing Wolverine doing the same but to a much higher degree... It easy to see they're HF isn't on the same level.
Originally posted by Trackz
which is why I gave him the win 6-7/10 in a straight fight, cause of his durability.
What about the factor of Wolverine going berserk? I think he could get more than 6/10. That's my opinion and I'm not saying you're wrong or anything. But most can't deal with Wolverine when he gos berserk.
