orochi vs oni gill oro

@SG like i've been saying for awhile now.. since the plot of the entire story arc is to stop this being, then how can it not be logical that it is powerful? and according the story, all he needed to destroy the earth, was kyo's gf's ancestor (that was long) but she was saved miraculously, hence the earth not being destroyed in the process... it was mentioned in the canon story before you fight the orochi team in '97.. and all the other context supports this claim... how is it illogical? and as for proving that orochi can return from being "annihialated" by akuma... you'd have to prove akuma can even do that... you can see that in the game orochi's got renerative and telepathic capabailities, ("i can read every/any humans thoughts" as he puts it) plus even chizuru admits they cannot kill him.. even in the 3 sacred treasure ending... she says "all we could do was contain him"...

This whole thing about planetary destruction is only limited to statements and hearsay with no concrete showings aside to corroborate it, and no matter how logical it may seem, in these cross-fictional debates we use to just throw away stuff like that and stick only with the proven side of the story. As powerful as the Orochi may be, there's just no evidence so far that he could be an immediate threat to all of humanity in a realistic way.

And I'm aware of his regenerative abilities, but I'm yet to see him regenerating from having his body demolished into dust, and in case his durability is anything bellow multi-mountain / island level Akuma would be more than capable of doing that to him.

Also Kyo, Iori and Chizuru aka ''the treasures'' are only building busters at best so they aren't a good standard for comparision here since Akuma has far more destructive power behind a single punch than anything those three could produce working together.

So again, it's you that have to prove Orochi can survive being mauled by Akuma.

in a sense... you've got a point, since there's got to be a reason why the orochi had to sacrifice the 8 maidens to wipe out humanity... he didn't but going by the story context if successful he would have... and if he would have.. there'd be no kof.. that's called deductive reasoning... so if you want to dismiss it you can but like you're saying... if "he's not an immediate threat to humanity"... why would anyone bother to fight him? and also then, why in the plot is he the main antagonist?? like ive stated on my other post... the story context overrides even feats... even in SF... oro's a perfect example of it.. and if we go by your logic again then oro shouldn’t even be allowed in this thread... all he's got as a feat is he "stalemated with akuma"... 🙂

And I'm aware of his regenerative abilities, but I'm yet to see him regenerating from having his body demolished into dust, and in case his durability is anything bellow multi-mountain / island level Akuma would be more than capable of doing that to him.

and i've yet to see akuma (in canon) be able to quickly execute one lighting-fast island/mountain demolishing punch, much less a melee of them... and orochi can read minds... so he'd pretty much see the punches coming anyway... i suspect if he were to get hit, somehow or defeated by these 3, he might just "return to his sleep"... but i don't see how... seeing as he'll probably keep rising up... if not take on another host... 😛

these 3 aren't about "destructive powers" they are about working together and sealing an ancient demon (as is stated that he is not my opinion of him, and isn't akuma a demon or trying to be?), the only reason they are able to succeed is because one holds him (iori) the other hits him (kyo) and the remaining one seals him (chizuru)... it doesn't matter how many buildings they destroy or whatever... he just keeps getting back up...

and you have to show me to prove that akuma's ever "dusted into a fine red mist" anyone with his "lightning-fast-executed-punch 😎

This whole ''would have'' needs a side showing to back it up otherwise it's not viable as argument.

A in-universe match is the most flawed possible example when comparing characters that AREN'T PART OF A SAME STORY in a cross-fictional debate in a vs. forum. The simple fact the characters in this thread aren't part of the same series alone already makes this ''story context'' argument flawed and thus inapplicable. The most proper and fair way of comparing characters that AREN'T PART OF THE SAME STORY in versus threads is with the comparision of feats.

The Orochi will not come back if his current host gets demolished into chopped meat and he can't take on another host without outside help.

Akuma was punching that hard when he fought against Gouken trading blows with him as evidenced when he missed a punch hiting the external side of a volcanic wall, and that's just how hard he hits when he's not holding back his power.

Orochi being able to see what Akuma's going to do with him won't change a thing. That's like a guy crossing paths with a hungry lion in the mid of the African savana, the dude won't need to be able to read the beast's mind to know it's gonna immobilise him with its claws and bite his neck, but there's just nothing he could do to avoid this fate in front of something so much more powerful than him.

Destructive power counts a lot in a fight, and Akuma has more of it behind his fists than those three with all of their efforts combined. Also Akuma is several times stronger than Iori who was immobilising the Orochi and he hits at least a couple thousand times harder than Kyo who was able to finish the battle with a punch. Akuma has the balls to do all the job by himself without much struggle.

And being turned into a ''red fine mist'' is a reasonable assumption of what would happen to the human body if it gets hit with force greater than what the average nuclear weapon produces. And it shouldn't be much different with the Orochi.

Also I never said Akuma is as fast as lightning.

Heeyyy... I almost forgot about this thread... Anyway, again with the animal comparisons? And strange assumptions to boot... And what don't you get about story context? because of the context we can pretty much conclude orochi's a very powerful being that was only sealed away into another dimension... Never destroyed, though you have a point if all the hakkesu are not around he might just be sealed away forever, still though the idea that akuma can just ''destroy'' orochi effortlessly, is somewhat of a stretch... Mostly because orochi's abilities enable him to be extremely resiliant in dying, or staying dead... Because if you remember it took 3 of the strongest fighters to seal him, and even in the most recent installment his power's being sought after still... 🙂

Like I said there's no evidence the Orochi could survive anything comparable to an island breaking punch, and the fact he has been finished off by three building busters surely doesn't help him here.

Where/when did these 3 bust buildings? Anyway, in the story orochi's portrayed as an entity/demon/devine being, so even if akuma, or the others listed here, were to destroy his ''body'' it wouldn't destroy him, plus, there's still the matter of orochi's abilities (teleportion and regeneration).. Not to mention his own attacking moves as well and pretty much unlimited stamina... I say he's got a great chance at taking this 🙂

I don't recall any of those three busting any buildings though they should be powerful enough to so based on their set of abilities, well at very least for Kyo this may hold true.

Orochi has yet to be seen regenerating after having his head chopped off and Akuma is more than capable of doing that to him if not worst. And having his body destroyed will incapacitate him as a fighter since otherwise, if were able to do anything in his true form, he wouldn't even need a human host. Also the Shun Goku Satsu could be the perfect weapon to finish him off once and for all granted it's an attack that affects the soul directly.

The Orochi lack the showings to even say he's a match for normal Akuma let alone Oni who laughed off a volcanic eruption point blank range.

Isn't oni non-canon yet? He's what akuma ''would be'' once he reaches another level of power? Which is of a supernatural nature... And you still have to prove akuma can chop off this dude's head anyway... And as i've said, sure that would destroy the host orochi's in but it wouldn't eliminate him... Plus, seeing as he transformed chirs's lil scrawny body into a tall levitating albino, i'd say it's a sound assumption that his possessing of his host grants his body a higher level of power.. in his victory pose once he scratches his chest, he regenerates back almost instantly, which is another example of him powering up the host his in... So an immortal entity whose the source of power of about 10 or so strong fighters, turning them into very deadly ones and sustain them while transformed without even being present, has a great chance of dodging or maybe even countering said attack.. Wouldn't u say? 🙂

Check the OP again, the version of Akuma being used here is Oni so it doesn't really matter if he's only a ''what if'' character.

Akuma chopeed an island apart and was able to split Ayers Rock in half... take a guess, it's the Orochi that needs a durability showing to prove he can take one of those without having his head ripped off, not to say worst.

Orochi can't do anything without a host, therefore he'd be out of the game in case it gets destroyed. This already counts as a loss.

Regenerating from a scratched chest doesn't prove he can grow a new head, and much less that he can reconstruct his body after having it reduced to pieces ala Majin Buu.

And no I wouldn't say he can counter an attack from Akuma, not after seeing how Iori jumped on him and grabbed his neck while Kyo punched him dead in the ground. The guy has poor showings for someone with only one appearance and his demise was pathetic, that's the reason why he doesn't even deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Actually... Orochi is a divine being. A metahuman is something like Gill. Although Gill can resurrect, he can still be killed. Try tearing his body apart. See if he can still resurrect.

Orochi on the other hand, being a single pure God entity, doesn't have any humanly vulnerabilities in him(soul, mortality, mind control, poison, illusion, etc.).

The whole "can only be defeated by sealing and can only be sealed by the 3 sacred treasures" is one of Orochi characteristics that make him who he is. Saying that it is irrelevant is nonsense. SInce it is a canon characteristic of Orochi, it is still remains his strong side, and will always be true. No matter how people say it's just "plot device" or something like that, in the end, Orochi will still be only be stopped by 3 sacred treasures.

On similar thoughts, some characters with no feats appeared to be powerful in end. Take Ash. He has not feats for 2003. People say he's just weak and can't compare to the other protagonist. Turns out, he is quite powerful to be able to defeat Orochi Iori.

Say people, has Akuma ever killed any of his major opponents in a single punch? You claim that was so powerful yet Gen is not dead by the end of his fight with Akuma. So is Gouken. That "Island Busting Punch" Akuma did was never represented in a fight. The problem is, Akuma's power level is his sheer body strength alone, with only little help from his projectiles. A punch like that, failing to kill humans like Gen, Gouken, or even Oro can't do much against a omnipotent divine entity like Orochi. There's always been a sort of "mighty" humans to this kind of fights, like how Deva Path from Naruto survives being thrown like a rag towards a mountain and landslided by it(actually, just an example), or Kyo hitting a car and the car was the one that was damaged instead and Kyo scrubbing it off, or Ryu being run over like a doll by Bison and still alive or people jumping too high for a human to do or Terry Bogards bomb-like power geyser explosive being survive by several villians. I have a lot more. KOF characters has a lot of durability to offer, and Orochi, being the most powerful one, has unimaginable. That is called smart deduction. A story input tells better that actual feats like how Ash withstand Orochi Iori despite not having feat at all(and when I said feat, I was referring to something like mountain busting

punches and other cliches that describe the likes of Akuma) and also how people deduce Oro being very powerful despite only being told to "have stalemated Akuma" and not having feats at all.

At any rate, Orochi is indestructible(as Chizuru said), immortal, and omnipotent(much tells a lot then). So, yeah, Orochi can defeat them.

Lack of feats with Orochi destroys the chance of this being a good match.

Lack of actual showings for Orochi makes this impossible to win against even one of the foes he's pitted against.

In cross-fictional debates concrete evidence in favor of one character will always override all the hype for the other character in question.

Being called a divine entity doesn't mean anything without a showing as indication of on what level said entity does operate.

The Orochi is not indestructible and he hasn't shown the ability to comeback or regenerate after having his body teared apart either. Feats are required to say otherwise, period.

Orochi in his one appearance has been bested by people incapable of mustering even a small fraction of the destructive force Akuma has shown to have. And I'm sure that unlike Akuma he wasn't holdind back or testing his opponents at any moment.

And again the evidence at hand so far says even normal Akuma solos this.

Orochi was stated to be "incomplete" in his one appearance. How much that limited his power is unknown.

Orochi's level of divinity has already been established. He is the god of nature, of earth. He serves to control the power of the earth and sees human as a threat to earth.

Well, just to say, Orochi's power is earth itself, so a rock or a lava or anything from earth will do nothing to him.

Also, people seem to misunderstand what happened to KOF 97. That time, Orochi was severely premature. Orochi then starts fighting them off . Everything, everywhere was destroyed. After a very decisive fight, Kyo, Iori and Chizuru was almost all out of power and Orochi was still standing unscathed, much to their surprised. They all starting to lose hope. That was when Orochi suddenly mocked them of their useless effort as Iori goes ROTB. It was then that instead of attacking the 2, Iori, suddenly grab Orochi. Orochi, unable to move, allowed Kyo and Chizuru to seal him. They all lost consciousness afterwards with Kyo missing in the aftermath.

What does this have to prove? First of all, Orochi wasn't beaten on all bruises and wounded like how people try to view a normal fight. By the end of the battle, Orochi remains scathed and the 3 almost dying in the fight. That proves a lot for a prematurely appearing God. Second, Orochi wasn't beaten by a simple attack. If you're fully aware of what happened in the past, the sealing of Orochi happen in a ceremonial fashion, the rest of yasakani clan use their power to hold orochi in place, while the kusanagi clan applied their powers to it and yata using their power to seal him off, which all cost the 3 clans to almost meet their demise.
The KOF 97 battle re-enacted the ritual. ROTB Iori used the power to hold Orochi in place, Kyo applied his power to it(in a form of a devastating flaming punch) and Chizuru sealed Orochi off. The point is that, unlike what people think it is, Orochi WAS NOT defeated in an "all-brawl" fashion. In the end of the very devastating fight, it was only the 3 scared treasures that can defeat an "unscathed" Orochi. Proving how he took on all those fighters on a very long fight while still far from his true power, yet still stand up and on top of that, unscratched, is a large proof of his power.
The use of Chris is because he is still premature. However, despite that fighting off all those fighters, he was unscratched, while keeping in mind how strong they are. I don't see how Akuma will deal a blow to even scratch Orochi.

Akuma fight's in a brawl fashion(destroy this, destroy that), which in any case isn't what it takes to defeat a god like Orochi. On the other hand, Orochi can just take all their souls and destroy them all together. Then it'll be over...

His level of ''divinity'' will only be established on the day he accomplishes the required feats to back up anything said about him, if it ever happens of course. Otherwise god of nature or no he'd still get crushed by a big enough rock or burned to ashes by a lava bath.

Also saying Orochi can rip anyone's soul and destroy them will require feats to back it up, and I'm afraid he has none of that kind outside game mechanics.

To sum it up the Orochi has never had to deal with anyone even remotely close to Akuma's level of power. The whole cast of 97' combined still has nothing that can compare to an island sinking punch or the move Akuma used to split Ayers Rock in half, and granted the Orochi has never endured anything on those levels or even comparable we can't help but assume it will destroy him.

By the way, no good reason to bump an old thread like this.

The only way Orochi was defeated was by using 3 plot devices.
Without those, it is impossible for a human or a demi-god to win.

The only fighter who stands a chance is Gill.
His feat of splitting the ocean into two without any physical intervention is greater than Akuma's city busting punch.

You're kidding right? You are saying what the story tells about Orochi is nothing to count. All you want is a feat. Nothing more, nothing less. You fail to justify what the actual story tells about him. That's the only reason why this thread keeps on going. Having a power to control everything earth can offer, how weak do you think that is? And sorry if you still don't get it, i haven't got an answer as to why Gen or Oro or Gouken is still alive despite you saying Akuma's punch can destroy a God like Orochi, whilst Orochi was never defeated in an all-brawl fashion which Akuma use to work out with.

And yeah, He can rip soul and that's a common idea considering what he does in-game and you saying that doesn't count is seemingly stupid. I mean, it IS what he does in where he come from, the game! The game, I tell yah!

And the whole cast of KOF combine? I don't know why you think KOF cast is a bunch of midget in terms of destructive level.