Thor (without Mjolnir) VS Wolverine

Originally posted by jinzin
it is required though.. wolverine's healing factor and the amount of punishment he can take has proven to differ when he's being jumped and when he's pissed and knows he's in a fight.. funny how a stronger version of sasquatch couldn't KO logan after landing much more blows than those two isn't it? wonder why.....

Its not funny at all, it shows how Wolverine as a character is written to be part god then the fans stick to those writings like glue.

Then when something happens to him that should happen fans get up in a tizzy and make all these excuses as to why that should never happen.

It doesn't matter Thor> Wolverine he could get a very very rare win in but otherwise nope.

Originally posted by Soleran
Its not funny at all, it shows how Wolverine as a character is written to be part god then the fans stick to those writings like glue.

Then when something happens to him that should happen fans get up in a tizzy and make all these excuses as to why that should never happen.

It doesn't matter Thor> Wolverine he could get a very very rare win in but otherwise nope.

it's not an excuse it's a reason.. if a guy surprise attacks logan who's walking the city streets and KO's him in 2 blows... but NUMEBROUS foes have failed to KO him who are both stronger, and faster, AND manage to land more hits.. during occasions in which wolverine's fighting back.. how then do you deduce that it doesn't make a difference? because that certainly seems to be what you're implying... which is in a word.. ridiculous.

Originally posted by Soleran
Its not funny at all, it shows how Wolverine as a character is written to be part god then the fans stick to those writings like glue.

Then when something happens to him that should happen fans get up in a tizzy and make all these excuses as to why that should never happen.

It doesn't matter Thor> Wolverine he could get a very very rare win in but otherwise nope.

but sol, by your own admission then, since at times he HAS been portrayed as capable of being in (and even winning) these types of fights, doesn't that mean we must consider them while we discuss this? i don't think jin (and certainly not myself) are ignoring the lower showings. we're merely suggesting the higher ones (and there are a lot of them) should ALSO not be ignored. i think that's what jin was getting at in the namor thread also. imo is it likely wolvie wins this? not at all. but is it possible, and could he at least make a fight of it? to say no ignores loads of evidence, suggests bias or fanboyism, or worse, ANTI-fanboyism. doesn't it?

Originally posted by jinzin
it's not an excuse it's a reason.. if a guy surprise attacks logan who's walking the city streets and KO's him in 2 blows... but NUMEBROUS foes have failed to KO him who are both stronger, and faster, AND manage to land more hits.. during occasions in which wolverine's fighting back.. how then do you deduce that it doesn't make a difference? because that certainly seems to be what you're implying... which is in a word.. ridiculous.

Is this the same guy with ultra senses that can track people all over the city by smell regardless of whats happening? Dodge Cyke's beams by feeling pressure changes? He got snuck up on? Then knocked out?

I agree Leonidas but then as counter points I am hearing about tons of low showings for the opponents...................I am just showing and asking for both sides.

Originally posted by Soleran
Is this the same guy with ultra senses that can track people all over the city by smell regardless of whats happening? Dodge Cyke's beams by feeling pressure changes? He got snuck up on? Then knocked out?

it's what happened.. as inconsistant as it may be.. it's what's there.. so we use it...

Exactly so he got knocked out and the possibility of something like that happening again is very well within the realm of possibility.

Originally posted by Soleran
Exactly so he got knocked out and the possibility of something like that happening again is very well within the realm of possibility.

if wolverine got snuck up on and wasn't in a fight.. sure.. that's not what I'm arguing... what I'm debating is that KOing logan when he's taken off guard isn't the same as trying to KO him while he's riled up...

Hmm vindicator ko'd him as well, he was pretty worked up there.

yup so we got once decent instance.. though I still question as to whether or not being hit with an energy field translates worse then just brute force alone...

you're point is well taken, sol. the biggest problem i've ALWAYS had with wolverine is that he seems to be consistently INCONSISTENTLY depicted. because of that, it has ALWAYS been difficult to find a really solid level for him. is he the street leveller that daredevil seems capable of dealing with or is he the near-superhuman, damage sponge that can face down an enraged hulk?

i don't really know, all's i've been saying all along is that if we DO ignore wolverine's better showings (which i would be MORE than willing to do if there weren't so damn many of them . . .) then we do the character an injustice and make uneducated or biased deductions on the possible outcome of this fight.

again, (and this is not directed at you, sol) to say he has ZERO chance ignores a great deal of evidence to the contrary and speaks to close-mindedness or silly, over-the-top dislike of the character or whomever is supporting him.

he has a CHANCE. a small, very small one, perhaps, but he does have a chance. a score of showings says so.

lol what are you talking about DC threw up a picture of Hulk knocking the piss out of Wolverine sending him flying and KO'd

Also in Wolverine #5 as Patch he jumped out of an airplane no parachute landed in the mud and it took knocked him out as well and took him almost a day to recover from that as well.

He does get put on his arse and its withing Thor's means to do consistently. Even when Masterson had the hammer and attempting to go swing crazy on Thor he just moved and evaded without one hit on him. Once again my numbers would be a 9/10 Thor wins.

Originally posted by Soleran
Once again my numbers would be a 9/10 Thor wins.

agreed.

😄 oh, and it was nice (for once) having a rational (mostly rational . . .? 😕 ) discussion involving wolverine.

soleran, jin,

later 😉

Originally posted by Soleran
lol what are you talking about DC threw up a picture of Hulk knocking the piss out of Wolverine sending him flying and KO'd

Also in Wolverine #5 as Patch he jumped out of an airplane no parachute landed in the mud and it took knocked him out as well and took him almost a day to recover from that as well.

He does get put on his arse and its withing Thor's means to do consistently. Even when Masterson had the hammer and attempting to go swing crazy on Thor he just moved and evaded without one hit on him. Once again my numbers would be a 9/10 Thor wins.

....sigh... it's not like I'm arguing that wolverine's incincible either...

the fact is he fights bricks all the time.. more often than not brute strength simply isn't enough to deal with him.. and that's all there is to it.. can thor knock him out?.. yes of course he can. is he guaranteed to? hell no... is it likely to happen?..depends on how the fight goes.. but consistency in feats says probably not...

Originally posted by Soleran
Its not funny at all, it shows how Wolverine as a character is written to be part god then the fans stick to those writings like glue.

Then when something happens to him that should happen fans get up in a tizzy and make all these excuses as to why that should never happen.

It doesn't matter Thor> Wolverine he could get a very very rare win in but otherwise nope.

It's a silly discussion and shouldn't have got this far along. A single blow from thor would flay the flesh off wolverine's bones. Even if we assume that wolverine has superhuman resistance to injury (Hulk hit him and his flesh was still attached to the bones) Thor needs only to hit him up up and away into space where wolverine's blood will explode out of every pore of his body and he will die of asphyxiation and traumatic bleeding.

Originally posted by jinzin
....sigh... it's not like I'm arguing that wolverine's incincible either...

the fact is he fights bricks all the time.. more often than not brute strength simply isn't enough to deal with him.. and that's all there is to it.. can thor knock him out?.. yes of course he can. is he guaranteed to? hell no... is it likely to happen?..depends on how the fight goes.. but consistency in feats says probably not...

Oh wow. You're on crack dude. Seriously. So what's gonna happen if Thor grabs Wolverine by the throat and Godblasts him?

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Oh wow. You're on crack dude. Seriously. So what's gonna happen if Thor grabs Wolverine by the throat and Godblasts him?

considering that godblast was stripped away from thor for the purposes of this fight:
thor will probably look very confused as nothing is happening.. then he'll look very bloody when logan lops off his arm....

perhaps next time you should read the thread before coming in and running your yap jackass...

Originally posted by jinzin
considering that godblast was stripped away from thor for the purposes of this fight:
thor will probably look very confused as nothing is happening.. then he'll look very bloody when logan lops off his arm....

So Logan has extreme superhuman strength? Marvel has been pandering to the fanboys too much with Wolverine being able to cut up character who have survived the equivalent of nuclear explosions. Wolverine couldnt chop a frozen turkey in two let alone lop off Thor's arm.

and yet...
http://img272.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0156lp.jpg

if you seriously think that logan can't cut through a cold turkey you need your head examined...

Originally posted by jinzin
and yet...
http://img272.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0156lp.jpg

if you seriously think that logan can't cut through a cold turkey you need your head examined...

...is Wolverine even doing any damage there?