Thor (without Mjolnir) VS Wolverine

Started by jinzin78 pages
Originally posted by Soleran
LOL its only argueable by a very few that want to reach for straws ✅ 🐰

ORLY...

I haven't seen you reply to this yet...

Originally posted by leonidas
because i'm bored, i'm gonna play wolvie's advocate. actually, i'v enot heard a lot of compelling arguments from thor-people. it's the same old "thor's too strong", "thor's too powerful", but with nothing to back up anything anyone is saying. let's check out a couple of wolvie facts:

-he's beaten hercules (canon) 😠
-he's gone h2h with namor twice and NOT been ko'd
-he's messed with hulk LOADS of times and in a what if, killed him. hulk has NOT done well against him. in fact, wolvie did better against hulk than THOR did without his hammer! hulk has smashed him repeatedly, but wolvie did not fall or get ko'd.
-in three shots, wolvie has taken down the abomination
-he's gone h2h with wendigo
-he's cut thor, and from all appearances, thor was pretty badly hurt, though not to say disabled in anyway
-he's cut thanos
-he's carved up hulk
-his speed and skill is enough to repeatedly tag spiderman, speed demon and quicksilver

now, thor is not using ANY magic, he's fighting just h2h. thor is faster? proof, anyone? thor is a more skilled fighter? proof anyone? because despite his years, i'd give skill to wolvierine. a 1000 years fighting the same style and the same style opponents does not equate to tremendous fighting skills. so thor tried to throw him into orbit -- gets sliced. now what does he do? and wolverine IS capable to putting a hurting on him if he claws thor's eyes, or puts a claw in his ear.

so, if you think thor is faster, prove it. if you think thor is more skilled, prove it. wolverine specializes in this type of fight. thor is NOT invulnerable, does not have the speed to dodge all the attacks (unless someone proves otherwise), so it is likely he will get tagged. can he do enough damage to thor before thor really gets hold of him . . .?

wonder what you'll say 🙄

jinzin did I tell u how much I love having u around

Originally posted by jinzin
yeah if he had it.. but I think this fight has degenrated into thor without hammer or godblast vs. wolverine... so basically a h2h.. in which case.. the outcome is argueable.

The result is not arguable even if Thor didn't have the hammer or if Thor didn't use his lightings and godblast, which he can do WITHOUT the hammer too.

Originally posted by capt it up
jinzin did I tell u how much I love having u around

no.. but it's good to hear.. 😉

Originally posted by Tshern
The result is not arguable even if Thor didn't have the hammer or if Thor didn't use his lightings and godblast, which he can do WITHOUT the hammer too.

like leo said.. prove it..

comic wise wolverine could possilbly win (it would be PIS big time) however the only way wolverine has a chance is if thor was still that olson guy without the stick

Originally posted by jinzin
no.. but it's good to hear.. 😉

lol.

also good job in the namor thread 😄

like leo said.. prove it.

Which part of my post?

Originally posted by Tshern
Which part of my post?

that the outcome isn't argueable in spite of thor having lost his more potent wweapons...

thanks.

Everybody just missed this, then?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Thor's speed:

"
10) SPEED: A) Thor could throw the hammer at the speed of light. See Thor#140, Thor#274; and, or can swing the hammer at TWICE the speed of light- Journey Into Mystery#102. B) In Thor -#393- it’s established that the speed of Thor’s hammer TRANSCENDS both TIME & SPACE. C) Also, Thor could appear anywhere across the Universe or other dimensions in just seconds (see- FF#339, and Thor#166). D) In addition, Thor could, visually, detect objects that move at fantastic speeds (this happen when Thor was the target of artillery fire- see Invaders#33- and Avengers-#281- when he saw the speedy Hermes). E) In the early issues of Journey Into Mystery, there were instances that Thor used Super-Human speed, physically speaking-that is. However, it’s impossible to measure his speed based on those depictions. However, in Marvel Team-up#26, it gives a slight more accurate description on Thor’s Super-Human speed, and you could make a similar case in Invaders-#33, where Thor (with his hammer) deflected artillery bullets fired at him by moving his ENITRE LEFT ARM at super-Human speed. Specifically, in Marvel Team Up-#26, the writer makes it fundamentally clear that Thor can move almost faster than mere MORTAL eyes can follow, and in Thor-#354, Thor was toying with Hela using speed that according to her was beyond comprehension. Thor stated that he was swift as the very lightning itself. G) Finally, the High Evolutionary using Thor’s DNA, did create a real Super-Speedster in Zefra. Question is, does Thor possess similar potential to that of Zefra due to his own unique DNA? After all, Thor’s DNA is quite different than that of mortals- Avengers-#14 (vol.1)- that’s for the writers to decide in some future date, I guess."

Fighting skills:

"38) WARRIOR'S SKILLS: Thor is an expert at fighting in armed and unarmed combat, and should know most of his opponent vital weakness. At least this is the way it was portrayed in the first famous Marvel vs. DC crossover. He's the best warrior in Asgard. The Absorbing Man, when he acquire Thor's powers and could not defeat him, he said: "It ain't fair!!!" "What's good my strength, my power if I can't land a blow?", "I didn't know it was gonna be like this!!!" The very same thing happened to Warlock, to the Juggernaut (when Thor took his invulnerable force field), Mr. Hyde (Thor#106), also, Pluto and Ares (the god of war) when Thor really cut loose in Blood And Thunder. In addition, Thor outclassed in the strength department, defeated Ares who triple his strength-Thor-#223, and had Ulik on the ropes irrespective of the fact that Ulik augmented his strength several times over, defeated the Android Zotarr-Thor-#238, but the most impressive victory of all was when Thor defeated Grog the god crusher without his powers, super-strength, and being a mortal-Thor-#397. To put it simply, Thor’s skills are simply phenomenal. However, the best testimony of Thor’s power and skills came from the mouth of none other than Captain America. In Thor-#390, Captain America said when he lifted Thor’s hammer, "I’ve never wielded such LIMITLESS POWER before!" "It’s almost intoxicating!" In Avengers-#4 (vol.1), Captain America said, "Thor’s hammer!" "It’s the most AWESOME weapon I’ve ever seem!" Finally, in Avengers-Annual-#18, Captain America stated this about Thor’s skills, "He is an expert combatant, having been trained for hundreds of years in the art of war." "His understanding of tactics and strategies ENCOMPASSES the teaching of cultures over several centuries."

Just for kicks, Thor's strength.

"
39) SUPER-STRENGTH: Thor is the strongest pound for pound Superhero in the Marvel Universe. It's true that the Hulk is just as strong as Thor, but he probably weights twice as much. There’re many unparallel feats of Thor’s strength that should be worth mentioning. For instance, A) In Thor-#94- with just a slight pressure from Thor’s little finger he toppled leaning Tower of Pisa; B) in Thor-#95, Thor easily ripped apart the door of a special constructed safe that could resist a Ton (2,000 lbs.) of TNT; C) Thor sculpted a hammer from an Alien Tank by compressing together Tons of the Armor plating-Thor-#281, and tossed a Giant Alien Tank a significant distance as if were just a simple toy-Avengers-#219; D) Thor towed away a broken Jetliner full of passengers by flying it out of the Celestial stronghold in South America-Thor-#284. E) Thor, with his enormous strength, broke through wrap-around cables made of an alloy of Adamantiun-Thor-#309. F) Thor lifted and balanced a 40 plus story Building along with Cranes on top of the Building-Thor-#391; G) Thor towed the Entire Avengers Hydrobase-Avengers-#301, H) Thor with his strength closed a fissure that he created in the Planets crust, and then he proceeded by sealing Loki in it under millions Tons of Earth with the might of his limb-Avengers West Coast-#55; I) Thor sent an Alien with such physical force that he went literally flying through Earth’s Orbit and straight outside our Solar System-JIM-#90; J) Thor lifted the Midgard Serpent which girds the entire Earth and holds the Ocean in place-Thor-#272."

And invunerability, I seriously have hard time seeing Wolverine accomplish anything.

"11) INVULNERABILITY: The following are historical examples of incredibly devastating forces that has been used against Thor. Thor has survived each of these highly Lethal attacks, and most of the time have come out unscathed. A) Thor has been on the receiving end of Zeus and Blitziana's LIGHTNING bolts. B) Thor withstood a barrage of ARTILLARY fire with ease, and a Heat Seeking Missile- see Thor#480, and Thor-#247; C) and in the J. Kirby's days Thor used to test his invulnerability by having a Cobalt Bomb explode next to him. D) Kang’s Dissolution blast to the EXTREME did not fell Thor-Avengers-#143, and in Avengers-#295 Mechanosaurus struck Thor with a Megahertz Artillery fire that would easily destroy any vehicle to pieces- with no visible effect on Thor (Note: even bullets from a powerful sub-machine gun can’t hope to accomplish the same amount of penetration or destruction that could a Megahertz artillery attack by Mechnanosaurus). In Avengers-#5-pg 20- it explicitly stated that nothing, not even an ATOMIC BLAST could injure Thor, or his hammer. E) Thor resisted the full power of the Man from Saturn’s Graviton ray-Thor-#255. F) Thor withstood the Thermal Man's HEAT blast that could melt Tanks instantly, also, Thor was insensitive to the Lava Man's attack- see Avengers #5. In addition, Thor withstood a direct hit by Firelord’s Cosmic Flame with absolutely no dire visible effect on him- Thor-#306, and Ghost Rider’s Flame proved to be totally ineffectual against Thor, as well- Avengers-#214, and when the Planet Ego raised his internal heat temperature to the EXTREME, it had no affect on Thor-See Thor-#133. G) Thor was unaffected by an Alien Freeze Ray-Avengers-#14 (vol.1). H) In terms of indescribable sheer Magical, and Cosmic power, for instance, Thor was just temporarily stunned by Ego’s pulsating energy attack that would, physically, have rendered AN ENTIRE RACE UNCOUNSCIOUS- Thor-#133. In addition, Thor withstood blast by Odin-Thor-#241, by the Celestials-Thor-#300, and by a space Armada-Avengers-Annual#7. However, the three most impressive testimony events that showed Thor's invulnerability, however, was when he, almost, took a direct hit by a Doomsday Bomb that was capable of destroying an entire planet, and soon after that explosion Thor felt from space to a planet called Pangoria-see Thor#387. Also, Thor resisted the weight of Multitude of Planets-Thor Annual-#9, and the Gravity of a Neutron Star-Thor-#282. The other event took place when Thor paid an uninvited visit to ATUM in the Sun's core. If you think that this wasn’t enough, Thor has survive incredible physical punishment by the likes of the Destroyer, Durok, the Mangog, Surtur- Thor-#351, by the Devourer-Marvel Two In One-#23, The Thermal Man, Terminus, the 300,000 ft. tall Rhun god when he swatted Thor aside-Thor#220, and the Celestial- The One Above All- when he not only swatted Thor aside, but did hurled at him unnumbered tons of delicate machinery at him with no significant adverse effect on Thor-See Thor-#288."

More here:
http://www.comicboards.com/thor/view.php?trd=040224214306&q=oliv

Is it strictly h2h or can Thor use anything but his hammer? Okay, he picks up a skyscraper and throws it at Wolverine.

I can't believe people thinK Wolvie would actually win.

Thor would just pound him into teh core of the Earth.

When Thor doesn't have his hammer for 30 sec. or some amount of time he turns back to being a human.

Just thought I'd throw that in.

Originally posted by Tshern
Is it strictly h2h or can Thor use anything but his hammer? Okay, he picks up a skyscraper and throws it at Wolverine.

win via plot device.. I thought this was strictly h2h... which is why I'm even arguing...

Originally posted by Murda Mase
When Thor doesn't have his hammer for 30 sec. or some amount of time he turns back to being a human.

Just thought I'd throw that in.

Shit, I didn't know that.

lol so why is Wolverine using claws? those aren't hands...............if thor picks up a log do you call it log fighting.....................h2h just using whats available to you in the surrounding using your hands seems a bit more practical instead of literal.

The 30 second thing was taken from Thor during the creation of Beta Ra Bill essentially.

Originally posted by Soleran
lol so why is Wolverine using claws? those aren't hands...............if thor picks up a log do you call it log fighting.....................h2h just using whats available to you in the surrounding using your hands seems a bit more practical instead of literal.

The 30 second thing was taken from Thor during the creation of Beta Ra Bill essentially.

no I call it using a weapon that's not a regular part of a person's arsenal... it's equivolent to wolverine just pulling out a gun in any fight vs. a street level.. yeah he CAN do it sure.. but that defeats the purpose of the thread... the purpose here?

for people to prove that with his super strength, but without his lightning, or hammer that he can beat logan... this has yet to be proven.. but there are certainly many people dancing around the subject...

Originally posted by jinzin
no I call it using a weapon that's not a regular part of a person's arsenal... it's equivolent to wolverine just pulling out a gun in any fight vs. a street level.. yeah he CAN do it sure.. but that defeats the purpose of the thread... the purpose here?

for people to prove that with his super strength, but without his lightning, or hammer that he can beat logan... this has yet to be proven.. but there are certainly many people dancing around the subject...

well as you illustrated previously with leonadis post beating A doesn't mean you can beat B.

lets not forget even without his hammer as discussed in the DC piece he can move as fast as the lightning itself🙂 so he has that going for him as well.

Thor doesn't always convert to a human, depends whether he has an alter ego or not. The time is 60 seconds...