Originally posted by His Airness
Yes, Thats exactly why I consider you a fanboy. Because for some odd reason, although Wolverine literally has no way of defeating Thor you still claim Wolverine wins. Good debater, yes but imo your still a fanboy.
Wolverine has no way of defeating Thor? Yeah, except for stabbing him, slicing his appendages, or gutting him.
You've already admitted that Thor can be cut. I've already supplied evidence that Wolverine can cut people as durable as Thor, and in some areas more durable. His methods of victory are simple to follow from there on.
You've done nothing more than reach a false conclusion with no proof to back it up.
And yet again you appeal to ad hominem, calling me a fanboy, not giving proof to support your reasoning for calling me such, and hoping that labeling me a fanboy takes away from the validity of my points when it doesn't.
Originally posted by His Airness
Why do you use low showings to try and boost the case for your fav character? Gladiator has the reflexes to navigate at many multiples of the speed of light. The low showings don't matter as they aren't valid to use in debates.
Another appeal to a false conclusion. You automatically assume that because I argue for Wolverine, he's my favorite character (I'd be involved in a lot more Zarathos, or Death Metal threads if they had them), implying that I'm only using skewed evidence because I'm too unreasonable to come to any conclusion besides "Wolverine wins" when you're missing the point entirely.
I brought those examples to the table to demonstrate that Thor fighting several other characters who have incredible reflexes doesn't necessarily mean that he has those reflexes himself, especially if you consider that characters are brought up or down when fighting their opponents, which you do as per your Superman example. It would seem that Thor's consistency implies that he isn't someone with great speed when it comes to h2h fights. I will address this further later on.
Another premise that doesn't add up to your conclusion is that you assume just because characters are able to navigate at certain speeds that they can ALSO fight and react at those speeds when we've been shown time and time again that this conclusion isn't... well... true.
Hell simple logic dictates this. A person with no fighting experience, who is out of shape, can navigate and travel through the use of plains, or cars at speeds far greater than they can actually react to up close. The ability to navigate at such speeds means nothing in a FIGHT. This is something that's also been proven times over in the comics being debated here.
I also call into question your discarding of my proof based on what you regard as a low showing. Anyone who has read more than a handful of Hulk appearances knows that he has a healing factor that supersedes Logan's own regenerative abilities.
You've shown me a picture of King Thor having killed Hulk by impaling him, and made several references to Hulk having been impaled yet he's still kickin. I'm supposed to believe that Hulk, a character who even in a weak incarnation can survive this:
can't survive being impaled by Thor?
What then do you call that again?
Also the Gladiator fight; before Gladiator was distracted by saving an airplane I recall him being in the process of winning that bout. Thor had an advantage on account of a cheap shot, and if I'm not mistaken Gladiator's speed was something Thor was having problems with.
Originally posted by His Airness
Surfer was actually on his board flying, and blasting when he and Thor were fighting. Thor was able to fight him on even grounds. Again I say read up on Thor.
I haven't seen this fight, I don't have access to the comic, and the links to the fight have been deleted. Perhaps you can post?
Originally posted by His Airness
So when characters are depicted as blurs(Surfer) and Thor is still able to react and battle them, you don't consider those examples of good reflexes? How then do you determine Wolverines speed?
Like I said, I haven't seen the fight.
My problem is this. Thor (from what I have to go on) was able to do this with Surfer once?
Yet in spite of that, the number of fights where he can't compensate with his speed and reflexes against characters who are at or below Wolverine's realm of speed virtually DWARF his fight with Surfer in terms of consistency.
Another factor I would base my evaluation of Thor's speed with is his random feats of speed and reflexes against the likes of bullets, rockets, etc. But I've ventured through the Thor respect thread to see what I missed out on and the best feat I could find was this:
Almost faster? Out of 60 years of his existence and his entire respect thread "almost faster than mortal eyes can follow" was the best feat of speed he can produce?
That doesn't lend itself to make me believe he has a speed advantage in this fight, especially when Logan's been narrated as being FASTER than human eyes can follow: Namor vol.1 issue 25
And shown to be just that in multitudes of fights and scenarios...
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/crfroma/Wolverinev1-068-17.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/crfroma/Wolverinev1-068-18.jpg
It doesn't help that in his own damned respect thread it was agreed upon that Thor in a fight is generally not what you might consider a "speedster” by his own fans no less.
Originally posted by His Airness
No he hasn't, at least not in his own comic. I'd like to see proof of this.
Actually, you're right. I thought that's how Thor was able to catch Mongoose, come to find out it had nothing to do with Thor so much as his hammer.. 😐
Originally posted by His Airness
Baseless claim. Thor is more durable than every character you mentioned with the exception of Thanos. Also, Thor has never been gutted, or stabbed. He's been cut, but never to the point where he was fatally wounded. Wolverine may get one ineffective shot on Thor, but then he's making a trip to the moon.
No he's not... name one other character from that list that has gone down to a bullet. They clearly take penetrating as well or better than Thor, and all your examples of him in the sun don't detract from that.
Speaking of baseless claims, there's not reason: 1 to think that Wolverine's strikes will prove ineffective. They certainly proved to be effective against the likes of Namor, and Hercules.
You also assume that just because Thor's never been shown to be fatally wounded that he can't be, or at the very least be worn down out of a fight? That's just absurd. Wolverine has the tools to wear him down and score a KO at the VERY LEAST.
Originally posted by His Airness
Also the bullet never went through Thor's skin, just knocked him out. Low showing, should be thrown out but it seems you've made a habit of using lesser showings to support the case of your fav character.
Wrong:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/thorowned.pngThor is clearly shown bleeding, the bullet did in fact PENETRATE; it doesn't matter that it didn't exit through Thor because that's not the point, but it certainly broke through his skin.
