Thor (without Mjolnir) VS Wolverine

Originally posted by jinzin

Thor has consistently been hit by Hulk,

The guy who can hit classic QS?

Originally posted by jinzin

He had a hard time fighting Thing.

Strength skill intelligence 😬 Meh. I'll give you that though.

Originally posted by jinzin

He had issues fighting Namor.

A guy who happens to be very fast and uses more skill than Thor generally does.

Originally posted by jinzin

He got hit so hard by Karnak that he dropped his hammer.

It's Karnak 😐 Hits from him are going to do far more damage than just about anybody else.

Originally posted by jinzin

Iron Man has gotten his mitts on Thor:

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An apparently brain addled Thor. It's also a straight thrust which is much faster than any sort of complex or even simple combat.

The rest rest of the post seems fine to me though 😛

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Kinda like another certain character.....

I got ur point. However, I compared superheroes fights with Hulk. And who was doing the best? We can argue, but Namor has best stats right now. I have to check it later. And who has beaten Namor? Wolverine. Thing is, Wolverine learned how to fight the powerhouses. He possesses enough speed, strength, durability, regenerative abilities, reflexes and most important - adamantium claws. Thanks to them and his (at least some of them, rest are peak-human) superhuman stats, he can really badly injure foes like Hulk, Namor, Colossus I believe(shown up in comic covers and in Ultimate Universe), The Thing, Wendigo, Vindicator and more... he even cut King Thor, as we all saw. Maybe it wasn't a big wound, but still hurts a lot and author put Thor in, as jinzin said, classic "hurt pose".

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Beating Namor

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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The guy who can hit classic QS?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Strength skill intelligence 😬 Meh. I'll give you that though.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A guy who happens to be very fast and uses more skill than Thor generally does.

In the same realm of speed as Wolverine. Using direct comparisons:argueably slower. And a man with less skill to boot.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It's Karnak 😐 Hits from him are going to do far more damage than just about anybody else.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
An apparently brain addled Thor. It's also a straight thrust which is much faster than any sort of complex or even simple combat.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The rest rest of the post seems fine to me though 😛

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
The thing about Thor is that he is always getting depowered in The Avenger book and crossovers which explains alot of the low showings.

Which (IF this is true) is why I keep asking you Thor fans for proof.. Because I've ventured through the Thor respect thread, and found... well.. not so much actually.

Originally posted by jinzin
I'm not NEAR impressed. Wolverine's tagged Quick Silver and Speed Demon, Cap's humiliated Quick Silver, Gambit's downed Quick Silver, Beast has messed up Quick Silver, Spidey's clobbered him, and Cyber plucked him out of mid-run...

They used skill and powers. Hulk has no real skill to speak of which means he had to manage it on speed.

Getting Hulk doesn't make you slow.

Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine has the same skill, intelligence, and close durability, with better offensive weapons.

sly

Originally posted by jinzin
In the same realm of speed as Wolverine. Using direct comparisons:argueably slower. And a man with less skill to boot.

When Thor fought Thing was it a fight or was it them locking horns?

Originally posted by jinzin
Oh, I'm not arguing for the ends, but the means.. Thor could n't react to it is what I was getting at..

Oh OK.

Originally posted by jinzin
Would a "straight thrust" be outside Wolverine's capability to land?
I mean with the reach advantage an' all.

He lacks the strength advantage that IM has for making that type of strike.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
They used skill and powers. Hulk has no real skill to speak of which means he had to manage it on speed.

Getting Hulk doesn't make you slow.

did you mean getting hit by Hulk?
In any case, even THEN, we have at least one incident where Wolverine dodges everythng Hulk throws at him save cheap shots... does Thor have that same credibility?
Because from what I've seen I have to say NAY!

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
sly

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
When Thor fought Thing was it a fight or was it them locking horns?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
[B]Oh OK.[B]

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
[B]He lacks the strength advantage that IM has for making that type of strike. [B]

What does strength have to do with landing the hit (which was again the point)?
Wolverine has a longer reach, better fighting skills, and as comparible with Thing, better fighting speed and reflexes as proven on nearly 4 occassions by Cap.
Wolverine doesn't have to have the strength to land that hit, and if he lands that type of blow, his strength is practically irrelivant as it will be his claws doing the damage. 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
Which (IF this is true) is why I keep asking you Thor fans for proof.. Because I've ventured through the Thor respect thread, and found... well.. not so much actually.

Originally posted by jinzin
🤨

What does strength have to do with landing the hit (which was again the point)?
Wolverine has a longer reach, better fighting skills, and as comparible with Thing, better fighting speed and reflexes as proven on nearly 4 occassions by Cap.
Wolverine doesn't have to have the strength to land that hit, and if he lands that type of blow, his strength is practically irrelivant as it will be his claws doing the damage. 😬

I mean that since IM has much greater strength the speed of his thrust, as it comes from his legs, will be far greater than what Wolvie could do.

Unless you think Logan is stronger than Ironman 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
Which (IF this is true) is why I keep asking you Thor fans for proof.. Because I've ventured through the Thor respect thread, and found... well.. not so much actually.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Gotta find a scanner can only list issues. Thors taken out the entire wrecking crew while the hammer was taking a field day. One member of the crew took out Wolverine, Luke Cage, spiderman, and had to be distracted by Spiderwoman for them to win. Thors beaten his own hammer throw in speed before and he thows the damn thing at 3x lightspeed. He thrown down with the Destroyer while his hammer was in hiatus. The Hulk fights are a Meh, Thor always fghts like a moron with Hulk.

Originally posted by jinzin
Don't know, I've heard a lot about Supe's kryptonian martial arts but have yet to see them do him any favors.

I don't think it much matters since I do believe that Superman's durability is somewhere at or above Sentry's I don't think Wolverine could actually cut Superman. Aside from that I'm a bit lended to think what Jurgen's wrote about Thor and Superman in that Superman's thousands of times stronger than Thor physically... So no, I don't think Wolverine can take Superman, the very notion of it just sounds absurd.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
If you list issues, I can get the scans...
I have every Thor comic (minus the latest Journey Into Mystery ones). 🙂

Originally posted by Big Sexy
One time he does it is in Thor issue 6 with hercule. He hits him with the hammer and catches hercules right after. The other time with the hammer happend in the first series. Gotta check. He beat down the wrecking crew with a combination of skills and the hammer toss in Thor 29 vol 2. In that issue he also shows that he can command lighting without the hammer in the beginning. In New avengers eight Wolverine, Luke, Spiderman and Spiderman being owned by the wrecker. Thor fighting the Destroyer is in my stash so I'm not touching that. I have a few thousand comics in the plastics so I hate looking for any.

Is that Thor with Herc, the Herc mini-series?
I could probably find the Destroyer one. I know he stood up to him a couple times.

Oh, and here's the Wrecking Crew getting smashed.

I kind of see this happening to Wolverine...

(sorry if a link doesn't work, just downloaded Firefox, because my internet was down, so, meh.)

Originally posted by jinzin
Which (IF this is true) is why I keep asking you Thor fans for proof.. Because I've ventured through the Thor respect thread, and found... well.. not so much actually.

I've seen far more impressive feats displayed by them, that aren't even in the respect thread...

oh man... 30 pages... i dont think there is any 616 mutant that can defeat a prepared Thor... well with the exception of the ridiculous ones(jaspers etc...)

Originally posted by jinzin
The likelyhood of Thor successfully grabbing Wolverine's arms and stabbing him with his own claws is in a word: SLIM... far less likely than Wolverine simply stabbing Thor.

Ahuh ....

Tell me, is Punisher stronger and faster than Thor too?

Originally posted by #1110
Ahuh ....

Tell me, is Punisher stronger and faster than Thor too?

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Actually he has Displayed superspeed quite a few times in his book. Can't post since the pick is in C display. Thor has thrown his hammer at full force and appeared behind his opponent before the hammer reached them. He done that 2 or 3 times. His last was with Hercules in his last series.

Like I've said, I've not seen these feats, which causes a problem for my convincing... The only question I can ask here, is how often has he pulled this type of stuff off?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I mean that since IM has much greater strength the speed of his thrust, as it comes from his legs, will be far greater than what Wolvie could do.

Unless you think Logan is stronger than Ironman 😕

No, I simply think he's far less awkward... I doubt that Tony had enough application of fighting skill to use his hips as as the foundation for his fists momentum. Still, in up close hand to hand contests, Iron Man has been put on the recieving end of several humiliations via Captain America; telling me that Cap's speed and reflexes are well within the same capacity as classic IM when it comes to fighting.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Is that Thor with Herc, the Herc mini-series?
I could probably find the Destroyer one. I know he stood up to him a couple times.

Oh, and here's the Wrecking Crew getting smashed.

I kind of see this happening to Wolverine...

(sorry if a link doesn't work, just downloaded Firefox, because my internet was down, so, meh.)

You do realize that most of Thor's feats aren't even in the respect thread, don't you?
Same with Surfer, and other people.

I've seen far more impressive feats displayed by them, that aren't even in the respect thread...

to the last point: No I don't... Which.. AGAIN...... AGAIN....... AGAIN..... AGAIN....... Is why I keep asking for people to supply the proof..... 😬

What the hell am I supposed to do, magically pull Thor's feats out of my ass to see them? 🤨

Originally posted by #1110
Ahuh ....

Tell me, is Punisher stronger and faster than Thor too?

Forgive me if I'm mistaken.. But is that scan not from What If: Punisher killed the Marvel Universe?

If so, then I present Wolverine from Guardians of the Galaxy, in which Wolverine's able to hold Gladiator for six solar cycles straight. 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
to the last point: No I don't... Which.. AGAIN...... AGAIN....... AGAIN..... AGAIN....... Is why I keep asking for people to supply the proof..... 😬

What the hell am I supposed to do, magically pull Thor's feats out of my ass to see them? 🤨

I thought that's what everyone did.

Also, I'm just saying, that just because his respect thread may lack, that doesn't mean the character lacks... ya feel me?

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
I do.
Hey, I'm just supplying scans, I'm not arguing.
I have tons of scans, but don't feel like debating about Wolverine.

I thought that's what everyone did.

Also, I'm just saying, that just because his respect thread may lack, that doesn't mean the character lacks... ya feel me?

Oh I understand completely, the wealth of feats missing from both the Captain America AND the Wolverine thread is damned near appauling. So I "feel ya" just fine.
I just felt "attacked" by the intonation of your reply. I was offended because as I said, this is something I've been giving the respect thread the benefit of the doubt ON, in asking multiple participants for their supply of proof to their claims... It's not because I don't believe Thor can be capible of such things as his speed for example; Just that I personally haven't seen them, and in contrast, have seen far more instances which contradict the claims. That's all.