Originally posted by jinzinI wish I had a dollar for everytime you had to explain that Jin..
Yeah, the 616 Wolverine's skeleton is connected, and bonded as a single bio-organic structure.
If Wolverine's skeleton funtioned a normal person's does, one clean hit from Hulk would take Wolverine's head off...
The thing about that, is that you can't even argue that Hulk is trying to hold back against Wolverine; Whenever the two fight, Hulk is trying to literally "smash little man" by whatever means necessary. Hulk has uppercut Wolverine and scored full on hits to Wolverine's head and face, Wolverine's still alive for a reason.Another thing to consider is that the Admantium that's bonded to Wolverine's skeleton was bonded, as previously mentioned, by nanotechnology, using nano bots nearly as durable as Wolverine's skeleton itself. The result of Wolverine's skeleton bonding to his skeleton transformed the skeleton into an even more durable metal than first grade Adamantium. What Wolverine has is classified as Adamantium Beta, it's more durable substance is the reason why the SHEILD Sentry units failed to cut Logan's head off with an Adamantium buzzsaw....
If Logan's head could be seperated from his shoulders due to normal human physiology, then that would have been the time to do it; There have also been several instances where Wolverine has fought sword weilding foes who striked at Logan's neckin an attempt to do just that, only to be stopped by what?
An Adamantiumized molecularly bonded bio-organic structure.
Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah, the 616 Wolverine's skeleton is connected, and bonded as a single bio-organic structure.
If Wolverine's skeleton funtioned a normal person's does, one clean hit from Hulk would take Wolverine's head off...
The thing about that, is that you can't even argue that Hulk is trying to hold back against Wolverine; Whenever the two fight, Hulk is trying to literally "smash little man" by whatever means necessary. Hulk has uppercut Wolverine and scored full on hits to Wolverine's head and face, Wolverine's still alive for a reason.Another thing to consider is that the Admantium that's bonded to Wolverine's skeleton was bonded, as previously mentioned, by nanotechnology, using nano bots nearly as durable as Wolverine's skeleton itself. The result of Wolverine's skeleton bonding to his skeleton transformed the skeleton into an even more durable metal than first grade Adamantium. What Wolverine has is classified as Adamantium Beta, it's more durable substance is the reason why the SHEILD Sentry units failed to cut Logan's head off with an Adamantium buzzsaw....
If Logan's head could be seperated from his shoulders due to normal human physiology, then that would have been the time to do it; There have also been several instances where Wolverine has fought sword weilding foes who striked at Logan's neckin an attempt to do just that, only to be stopped by what?
An Adamantiumized molecularly bonded bio-organic structure.
As much as that is totally awsome. It's also awful writing.
Originally posted by Hitman911
Adimantium Skeleton + a Bolt of lightning = Thor 10/10 😱
Umm Thor got stripped of his lightning tossin abilities as soon as we got to page two. 😕
Originally posted by Rewmac
And still he can lift 100 tons...Nevermind. Even if I'd do the maths which I won't for an internet forum so without out it I can say one punch from Thor will make Wolverine fly enough not to come back.
Ummm if Wolverine still capible of getting himself back to a fight, he'll do so, Hulk has punched Wolverine accross the nation and after he landed he hopped the next flight back to the fight. 😬
Originally posted by Badabing
Sentry just beat Logan with pure strength and threw him out the plane...
Originally posted by Badabing
I wish I had a dollar for everytime you had to explain that Jin..
Me too. 🙁
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
As much as that is totally awsome. It's also awful writing.
Yeah I know... it's physically impossible, though the writer for the weapon x novel did extensive research and had a lot of medical consultation in order to try and write the best way that it could be possible...
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
What says... what exactly?I fail to see adamantium going through adamantium.
I don't. But a also don't remember why I don't.. 😬
Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah I know... it's physically impossible, though the writer for the weapon x novel did extensive research and had a lot of medical consultation in order to try and write the best way that it could be possible...
Thats not really my problem with it.
When things like that come up it just seems like writers can't stand seeing him have weaknesses.
Him having adamantium claws and bones is cool, it's a great way for him to do incredible feats. But when he no longer has joints it just sceams of trying to rid him of weaknesses. The very idea that they would take a metal already declared unbreakable and have it become even more unbreakable is even worse.
It almost seems like people were looking though his powers and said: "Oh my god what if someone trys . . ." and then they got rid of a potential weakness at the joint or to adamantium.
I don't really mind Wolverine and his powers are unquestionably powerful it's just that it seems like writers are making it so that it's impossible for him to lose at street level.
Originally posted by jinzinIt seems everybody is having a good discussion about Logan which may be a first. Anyway, I thought he was healed up from that encounter. It looked like Sentry just grabbed his hands without getting tagged by the claws. Just want to hear your thoughts Jin. 😎
Actually Sentry had the added bonus of having had the SHEILD Sentry units cut Wolverine's throat in an attempt to remove his head. He also had the perk of being what appeared to be completely invulnerable to Wolverine's claws... Two advantages I don't think have been stipulated for Thor in this fight.
Originally posted by Badabing
It seems everybody is having a good discussion about Logan which may be a first. Anyway, I thought he was healed up from that encounter. It looked like Sentry just grabbed his hands without getting tagged by the claws. Just want to hear your thoughts Jin. 😎
Lol you telling me you missed this the first few times around?
okey here's my explaination on Wolverine's healing factor and why he gets dropped faster sometimes than others.
okay it's like wolverine is whole and undamaged.. he's operating at 100%
wolverine takes a grenade and multiple gunshot wounds... he heals.. yes he's healed from that, no there's no bleeding or scars but now he's only really at a 70% capacity.
Next he gets sneak attacked by wonder man and is hit repeatedly by class 100 blows.. he heals... he LOOKS HEALED and in essence he is but now he's only operating at 10 to 20% capacity...
the more damage that wolverine takes without food or rest in-between the easier it is for him to get dropped later.... even though he heals things physically they still take their toll on him. His mutant power is one that is subject to replenishment or nurishment, thus when he goes through the ringer he'll get dropped by less then he would have when he started...
It's basically WHY Wonderman failed to KO him in Infinity Crusade but U.S. Agent did it with two hits later on.
Also, as I recall Sentry had his hands right up against the bladed underside of Wolverine's claws, and his clenching didn't result in damage. So for now I'm saying that it looks like Sentry can't be cut.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Thats not really my problem with it.When things like that come up it just seems like writers can't stand seeing him have weaknesses.
Him having adamantium claws and bones is cool, it's a great way for him to do incredible feats. But when he no longer has joints it just sceams of trying to rid him of weaknesses. The very idea that they would take a metal already declared unbreakable and have it become even more unbreakable is even worse.
It almost seems like people were looking though his powers and said: "Oh my god what if someone trys . . ." and then they got rid of a potential weakness at the joint or to adamantium.
I don't really mind Wolverine and his powers are unquestionably powerful it's just that it seems like writers are making it so that it's impossible for him to lose at street level.
I have my own theory to that, but you're of course entitled to your opinion so I'll leave it at that. As for Wolverine being at street level:
What you have to realize is that Wolverine's wasn't a character intended to be a street level classified threat.
Before his character was really developed or his powers stated or pondered upon he did things that were way outside the realm of any street level being.
He started off his career KOing Wendigo, and taking on Hulk in h2h.
He took two blasts from Firelord and all he said was "Yeeoww", he wasn't even KOed until Firelord flung him so hard into Colosus that it put both men to sleep.
He sliced and diced a mandroid with ease; guys who were giving characters like Iron Man and Thor a run for their money.
He shrugged off Colossus' full powered hit in the danger room.
And he dropped the N'Garai demon known as Kierrok with his first berserker rage, who no sold the combined efforts of Collosus, Cyclops, Storm, AND Professor X. Infact Kierrok's stooges are strong enough to fight the Hulk 1 on 1 and he said that Wolverine was the first person in eons to even cause him pain.
There's a handful of other ridiculous feats that Wolverine performed that at the moment that seem to escape me but the point is this:
Wolverine only became a street levelish guy when Claremont got hold of the character and decided to make him more vulnerable in order for him to develop as a personality instead of a juggernaught. He was originally intended to be as fast and strong as Spiderman if he was going to continue being written by his creator. Can you imagine Wolverine with Spiderman strength and speed? It would be downright absurd.
While Wolverine may be street levelish I'd say it's easily agreeable that he's on the top tier for street level, and frankly I always appreciated the fact that he's one of the few characters who can fight on both street and hulk level and make it an interesting fight without the use of plot devices.. but that's just me. 😬
Originally posted by jinzinI just wanted your take on it. Thanks for the explaination.
Lol you telling me you missed this the first few times around?
okey here's my explaination on Wolverine's healing factor and why he gets dropped faster sometimes than others.
okay it's like wolverine is whole and undamaged.. he's operating at 100%wolverine takes a grenade and multiple gunshot wounds... he heals.. yes he's healed from that, no there's no bleeding or scars but now he's only really at a 70% capacity.
Next he gets sneak attacked by wonder man and is hit repeatedly by class 100 blows.. he heals... he LOOKS HEALED and in essence he is but now he's only operating at 10 to 20% capacity...
the more damage that wolverine takes without food or rest in-between the easier it is for him to get dropped later.... even though he heals things physically they still take their toll on him. His mutant power is one that is subject to replenishment or nurishment, thus when he goes through the ringer he'll get dropped by less then he would have when he started...
It's basically WHY Wonderman failed to KO him in Infinity Crusade but U.S. Agent did it with two hits later on.
Also, as I recall Sentry had his hands right up against the bladed underside of Wolverine's claws, and his clenching didn't result in damage. So for now I'm saying that it looks like Sentry can't be cut.
Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine takes a grenade and multiple gunshot wounds... he heals.. yes he's healed from that, no there's no bleeding or scars but now he's only really at a 70% capacity.Next he gets sneak attacked by wonder man and is hit repeatedly by class 100 blows.. he heals... he LOOKS HEALED and in essence he is but now he's only operating at 10 to 20% capacity...
the more damage that wolverine takes without food or rest in-between the easier it is for him to get dropped later.... even though he heals things physically they still take their toll on him. His mutant power is one that is subject to replenishment or nurishment, thus when he goes through the ringer he'll get dropped by less then he would have when he started...
That makes sense. His mutant power = regeneration. The more he has to regenerate, the more it drains his energy.
This would also mean that his regenerative abilities can be overloaded to the point where he can't heal anymore and therefore; die.
But of course you will never see that in a comic.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Would it be possible for Thor to kayo Wolverine like Juggy did with a simple backhand? Or can that feat not be used?
No, that feat can be used, there was nothing wrong with that feat...
My only nitpicks are that it is well within the minority compared to Wolverine's better superior feats, and:
Am I mistaken or had Wolverine taken two full blows before that though?
Also I believe Wolverine would have shredded through Juggernaught if he didn't that whole, sheild deal going for him.
Anywho, yeah it's possible, but somewhere only within the realm of like 4 to 5%. 😬
Originally posted by #1110
That makes sense. His mutant power = regeneration. The more he has to regenerate, the more it drains his energy.This would also mean that his regenerative abilities can be overloaded to the point where he can't heal anymore and therefore; die.
But of course you will never see that in a comic.
Yeah logic would dictate that, but since Civil War it's pretty clear that whenever Wolverine fights and beats Lazear it kickstarts his healing factor back into gear again.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
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Hey don't get me wrong, I don't think it would have actually made a difference, obviously, Juggs isn't going down to a few cuts, the man's stood up to and laughed at getting disintigrated to a skeleton. Scary stuff....
I've just recently looked through a bunch of Uncanny X-Men encounters that the X-Men had with Marko, and every damned time Wolverine got within claw range, Juggs threw his shield up in a hurry. His sheild isn't exactly something he tosses out for every fight either, which says to me that Wolverine was going to inflict damage..
It wouldn't really do anything per se' but I'm inclined to believe that damage would have been inflicted.
My only point was that he too has a way to be invulnerable to Wolvie's claw shots, and once again Thor doesn't have that same advantage.