Thor (without Mjolnir) VS Wolverine

Originally posted by jinzin
Hey don't get me wrong, I don't think it would have actually made a difference, obviously, Juggs isn't going down to a few cuts, the man's stood up to and laughed at getting disintigrated to a skeleton. Scary stuff....

I've just recently looked through a bunch of Uncanny X-Men encounters that the X-Men had with Marko, and every damned time Wolverine got within claw range, Juggs threw his shield up in a hurry. His sheild isn't exactly something he tosses out for every fight either, which says to me that Wolverine was going to inflict damage..
It wouldn't really do anything per se' but I'm inclined to believe that damage would have been inflicted.

My only point was that he too has a way to be invulnerable to Wolvie's claw shots, and once again Thor doesn't have that same advantage.

Yep, Juggernaut has magical forcefield against any physical damage, thor doesn't.

Originally posted by jinzin
Hey don't get me wrong, I don't think it would have actually made a difference, obviously, Juggs isn't going down to a few cuts, the man's stood up to and laughed at getting disintigrated to a skeleton. Scary stuff....

I've just recently looked through a bunch of Uncanny X-Men encounters that the X-Men had with Marko, and every damned time Wolverine got within claw range, Juggs threw his shield up in a hurry. His sheild isn't exactly something he tosses out for every fight either, which says to me that Wolverine was going to inflict damage..
It wouldn't really do anything per se' but I'm inclined to believe that damage would have been inflicted.

My only point was that he too has a way to be invulnerable to Wolvie's claw shots, and once again Thor doesn't have that same advantage.

Originally posted by jinzin
I have my own theory to that, but you're of course entitled to your opinion so I'll leave it at that. As for Wolverine being at street level:
What you have to realize is that Wolverine's wasn't a character intended to be a street level classified threat.

Before his character was really developed or his powers stated or pondered upon he did things that were way outside the realm of any street level being.

He started off his career KOing Wendigo, and taking on Hulk in h2h.
He took two blasts from Firelord and all he said was "Yeeoww", he wasn't even KOed until Firelord flung him so hard into Colosus that it put both men to sleep.
He sliced and diced a mandroid with ease; guys who were giving characters like Iron Man and Thor a run for their money.
He shrugged off Colossus' full powered hit in the danger room.
And he dropped the N'Garai demon known as Kierrok with his first berserker rage, who no sold the combined efforts of Collosus, Cyclops, Storm, AND Professor X. Infact Kierrok's stooges are strong enough to fight the Hulk 1 on 1 and he said that Wolverine was the first person in eons to even cause him pain.
There's a handful of other ridiculous feats that Wolverine performed that at the moment that seem to escape me but the point is this:
Wolverine only became a street levelish guy when Claremont got hold of the character and decided to make him more vulnerable in order for him to develop as a personality instead of a juggernaught. He was originally intended to be as fast and strong as Spiderman if he was going to continue being written by his creator. Can you imagine Wolverine with Spiderman strength and speed? It would be downright absurd.
While Wolverine may be street levelish I'd say it's easily agreeable that he's on the top tier for street level, and frankly I always appreciated the fact that he's one of the few characters who can fight on both street and hulk level and make it an interesting fight without the use of plot devices.. but that's just me. 😬

Yea, Incredible Hulk#180-181 and adventures shown in Essential X-Men volume 1. Good stuff. Nothing more to add to your post, I like Mandroid feat ;] These all are simply enough reason for Wolvie beating regular Thor without Odinforce and Mjolnir... 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Gorbag
Without Mjolnir Thor's lightning attacks aren't so tough. And we're talkin' about h2h fight right now, sir😮‍💨

So your saying that Wolvie can take out Superman without the flight/eyebeam/ice breath?!?!?!?

Thor is a better "fighter" than Supes and just as strong!!

Thor 1M/1M

This is not even close!! 😆 😆

Originally posted by Newjak
You do know the very first time Wolverine meets Juggernaut he does hit him and nothing happens right 😉

You ever heard of Juggernaut's forcefield? Does Thor have one? Nope.

Originally posted by Gorbag
You ever heard of Juggernaut's forcefield? Does Thor have one? Nope.

Originally posted by Hitman911
So your saying that Wolvie can take out Superman without the flight/eyebeam/ice breath?!?!?!?

Thor is a better "fighter" than Supes and just as strong!!

Thor 1M/1M

This is not even close!! 😆 😆

One word: DURABILITY. Sup didn't get KOed by a bullet and he's DC character so it's really laughable comparison... Spidey did his best to Thor with hammer makin' him dizzy and defeated, so Wolvie would do better... I know Olson is weaker, but Blake wouldn't do better when he forgot Mjolnir 😂

Originally posted by Gorbag
One word: DURABILITY. Sup didn't get KOed by a bullet and he's DC character so it's really laughable comparison... Spidey did his best to Thor with hammer makin' him dizzy and defeated, so Wolvie would do better... I know Olson is weaker, but Blake wouldn't do better when he forgot Mjolnir 😂

Originally posted by Gorbag
You ever heard of Juggernaut's forcefield? Does Thor have one? Nope.

Wolverine (Upper Limit Human Level Range) <<<<<<<<<Thor (CLASS 100) That is a cockroach with an adimantum skeleton vs your dads size 11 steel-toe boot! Any writing that suggests otherwise is PIS. Wolverine wouldn't be Spiderman in a fist fight. I'm pretty sure that Thor could take some shots to the gut while ripping Logans arms and legs off!! Joints and ligiments are not bones so it can be done fanboys!! 💃

Originally posted by Newjak
Did you just say because Spidey did something Wolverine can do it to. 😬

Co-Signed!!
😆 😆

Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah, the 616 Wolverine's skeleton is connected, and bonded as a single bio-organic structure.
If Wolverine's skeleton funtioned a normal person's does, one clean hit from Hulk would take Wolverine's head off...
The thing about that, is that you can't even argue that Hulk is trying to hold back against Wolverine; Whenever the two fight, Hulk is trying to literally "smash little man" by whatever means necessary. Hulk has uppercut Wolverine and scored full on hits to Wolverine's head and face, Wolverine's still alive for a reason.

Another thing to consider is that the Admantium that's bonded to Wolverine's skeleton was bonded, as previously mentioned, by nanotechnology, using nano bots nearly as durable as Wolverine's skeleton itself. The result of Wolverine's skeleton bonding to his skeleton transformed the skeleton into an even more durable metal than first grade Adamantium. What Wolverine has is classified as Adamantium Beta, it's more durable substance is the reason why the SHEILD Sentry units failed to cut Logan's head off with an Adamantium buzzsaw....

If Logan's head could be seperated from his shoulders due to normal human physiology, then that would have been the time to do it; There have also been several instances where Wolverine has fought sword weilding foes who striked at Logan's neckin an attempt to do just that, only to be stopped by what?

An Adamantiumized molecularly bonded bio-organic structure.

When you, haters, will finally read our posts to the end? Wolvie's arms/legs/head can't be ripped off... 'cause of nano technology which keeps skeleton in one piece... ever heard of Adamantium Beta, haters? Or maybe Hulk wasn't strong enough to rip Wolverine's arms in Six Hours mini? 😎

Originally posted by Gorbag
When you, haters, will finally read our posts to the end? Wolvie's arms/legs/head can't be ripped off... 'cause of nano technology which keeps skeleton in one piece... ever heard of Adamantium Beta, haters? Or maybe Hulk wasn't strong enough to rip Wolverine's arms in Six Hours mini? 😎

Originally posted by Badabing
Who's we? 🤨 I've seen Jinzin rationally explain his point of view but you have done nothing except spew flummery and blather. dur

This was especially directed to Caps and Hitman who need to read the same post 1000 times to understand you can't rip Wolverine's limbs... sorry for misunderstanding here.

Originally posted by Gorbag
This was especially directed to Caps and Hitman who need to read the same post 1000 times to understand you can't rip Wolverine's limbs... sorry for misunderstanding here.

Ok ok. you can't rip limbs off.........It's still Thor 1M/1M
How many class 100 people has Logan faired well againt? PIS PIS PIS 😠

With no weapons Thor still OWNS Logan!! Don't give me that stregnth means nothing crap!! Logan cant beat Beast(class 1), Spidey (class 10)
Logan sucks!!!

To compare Howlett to someone of infinitley greater intellect and stregnth is 😆

What so I bet Logan beats Wonder Woman too!!?!?!?!?!?!? ❌

Originally posted by Newjak
You do know the very first time Wolverine meets Juggernaut he does hit him and nothing happens right 😉

I'm fairly certain Marko attributed that to his force shield. 😬

Originally posted by Hitman911
Wolverine (Upper Limit Human Level Range) <<<<<<<<<Thor (CLASS 100) That is a cockroach with an adimantum skeleton vs your dads size 11 steel-toe boot! Any writing that suggests otherwise is PIS. Wolverine wouldn't be Spiderman in a fist fight. I'm pretty sure that Thor could take some shots to the gut while ripping Logans arms and legs off!! Joints and ligiments are not bones so it can be done fanboys!! 💃

Originally posted by Gorbag
This was especially directed to Caps and Hitman who need to read the same post 1000 times to understand you can't rip Wolverine's limbs... sorry for misunderstanding here.

Originally posted by jinzin
I'm fairly certain Marko attributed that to his force shield. 😬

And the fact that Nightcralwer managed to hit Cain with a Torch in the face kind of shows that he never had his shield up 😬

Originally posted by Hitman911
Ok ok. you can't rip limbs off.........It's still Thor 1M/1M
How many class 100 people has Logan faired well againt? PIS PIS PIS 😠

With no weapons Thor still OWNS Logan!! Don't give me that stregnth means nothing crap!! Logan cant beat Beast(class 1), Spidey (class 10)
Logan sucks!!!

To compare Howlett to someone of infinitley greater intellect and stregnth is 😆

What so I bet Logan beats Wonder Woman too!!?!?!?!?!?!? ❌

Beast and Spidey are far more agile and faster. And Logan didn't want to kill them. Wolverine fought many Class 100 powerhouses and many he's beaten thx to his fighting skills and powers.
BTW, this image shows clearly what I'm thinking about Wolverine vs. Spidey fights...

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3706/spideyassuw9.jpg

Originally posted by Gorbag
This was especially directed to Caps and Hitman who need to read the same post 1000 times to understand you can't rip Wolverine's limbs... sorry for misunderstanding here.

Ok what class 100 characters, has Wolverine beaten???????????????