Originally posted by SoljerContrary to popular belief, Thor is a sexcellent fighter. Thor fights better when he's pissed... a lot better... which is what KMC enforces; bloodlust.
Again, no hammer? Wolverine likely has the advantage.Thor is a big, strong, comparatively slow brawler. Wolverine was made to take out guys like Thor.
Whether you think Wolverine can take a majority, or four outta ten, it certainly is not curbstomp in favor of Thor.
Just felt like adding that. 🙂
Originally posted by Soljer
Again, no hammer? Wolverine likely has the advantage.Thor is a big, strong, comparatively slow brawler. Wolverine was made to take out guys like Thor.
Whether you think Wolverine can take a majority, or four outta ten, it certainly is not curbstomp in favor of Thor.
Originally posted by Bransolute
Contrary to popular belief, Thor is a sexcellent fighter. Thor fights better when he's pissed... a lot better... which is what KMC enforces; bloodlust.Just felt like adding that. 🙂
then Logan go berserker were he fights way better and every one of his abilities are amp.
works both ways .
thats why I tend to ignore blood lust
Originally posted by BattlehammerAnd then Thor turns WM... 🙄
then Logan go berserker were he fights way better and every one of his abilities are amp.works both ways .
thats why I tend to ignore blood lust
Plus, I thought Berserker was just harder to put down...
Originally posted by SoljerPerhaps... but he does seem to get faster, and somehow stronger... and skillzered.
Excellent fighter?Yeah.
More skilled than Wolverine? Not nearly. 😬.
Originally posted by Bransolute
And then Thor turns WM... 🙄
I'm just using him mad is all.Plus, I thought Berserker was just harder to put down...
Perhaps... but he does seem to get faster, and somehow stronger... and skillzered.
In Uncanny 138-140 (somewhere I round there), Wolverine's berserker rage is described as the equivalent of days worth of combat pushed into minutes. It amps all Wolverine's abilities to the nth degree.
60 pages for a Goddamn spite thread. 😒
YES, Logan can cut him, and okay Thor doesn't have mjolnir and doesn't fly. But he still controls the lighting and has quite fast reflexes, and his strength is ten of thousands times greater. So, Logan pisses him off for a while, but eventually Logan's a fried corpse behind the woodshed. REALLY, TRULY SO.
Originally posted by Bransolute
And then Thor turns WM... 🙄
I'm just using him mad is all.Plus, I thought Berserker was just harder to put down...
Perhaps... but he does seem to get faster, and somehow stronger... and skillzered.
all his stats are amped.
He stronger,faster,feels not pain, healing factor is amped.
..........why would thor turn wm?
Originally posted by Bransolute
Hmm... now I'm curious to see what he's done...
Besides the one I know about...Why would Wolverine go berserk?
blood lusted. pritty much means berserker Logan is comming out or is already out.
thats why I tend not to go by blood lust.
also if we went by blood lust...........well spiderman vs wolverine really would be no debate since blood lusted spiderman acts like a moron.
Originally posted by BattlehammerBerserker Wolverine is ghey? Interesting...
blood lusted. pritty much means berserker Logan is comming out or is already out.thats why I tend not to go by blood lust.
also if we went by blood lust...........well spiderman vs wolverine really would be no debate since blood lusted spiderman acts like a moron.
I'm not taking bloodlust fully into consideration, just adding Thor being mad. If he's calm, he's going to be a somewhat moving target (except those rare occasions when he fought good).
So, I'm trying to assert the rule onto Thor.
You can also be pissed without going over the limit. And full on bloodlust would most likely push Thor to WM, and Wolverine to Berserker. Which is essentially a new character in the battles.
Plus, Thor also needs to be angry in most h2h fights here, otherwise he'd get smoked.
I also don't care about Spider-Man. 🙂
Originally posted by Bransolute
Berserker Wolverine is ghey? Interesting...I'm not taking bloodlust fully into consideration, just adding Thor being mad. If he's calm, he's going to be a somewhat moving target (except those rare occasions when he fought good).
So, I'm trying to assert the rule onto Thor.
You can also be pissed without going over the limit. And full on bloodlust would most likely push Thor to WM, and Wolverine to Berserker. Which is essentially a new character in the battles.
Plus, Thor also needs to be angry in most h2h fights here, otherwise he'd get smoked.I also don't care about Spider-Man. 🙂
Do you earnestly believe that, even an angry, Thor can match Wolverine for speed or skill?
Or do you think that Thor would be impervious to Logan's claws?
Originally posted by SoljerMaybe, maybe not. However, you don't have to be as skilled, or faster to win a h2h fight.
Do you earnestly believe that, even an angry, Thor can match Wolverine for speed or skill?Or do you think that Thor would be impervious to Logan's claws?
No. Not at all. 🙂
Personally, I think this would be a great battle... if Thor was angry. Otherwise Thor would get raped so bad, it's not even funny.
Originally posted by Bransolute
Maybe, maybe not. However, you don't have to be as skilled, or faster to win a h2h fight.
However, Wolverine fans are underrating him, and others are overrating him with no reason behind it, other than "he's a god. he fightz lotz. he has sex with chicks."No. Not at all. 🙂
Personally, I think this would be a great battle... if Thor was angry. Otherwise Thor would get raped so bad, it's not even funny.
You don't have to be more skilled or faster, true. But their damage potential is, at best, about equal.
A glancing blow from Thor isn't really going to affect Wolverine, and a glancing blow from Wolverine isn't really going to affect Thor.
A full on shot from Wolverine will likely put Thor down, a full on shot from Thor could very well knock Logan out.
So, where else can we really rate them? What would win the fight for Thor?
I agree that people on both sides of the fence are doing some serious underrating- but I've maintained the entire time that this is probably a 4-6/10 scenario for either combatant. It'd probably be pretty close.
"He knew how to pick his ground, and mostly he chose where to make his stands. His greatest advantage, though, lay in the nature of axe combat. Any swordsman who wanted to kill him had to come within range of that awesome weapon. And when the fight started Druss would never back away. He just surged forward, unstoppable. "
David Gemmell - The Swords of Night and Day
Replace axe with claws... Druss with Logan 😉
In order to win this fight Thor needs to stay out side of the reach of Wolverine's claws while at the same time get inside Wolverine's guard in order mount an offence with out getting skewered. Thor needs to get inside Wolverine's guard hit him and dance back out with out taking a hit. The problem here is that when Thor attacks, he will be exposing an opening to a faster, more skilled opponent who has a larger reach. Considering the pay off of hitting Wolverine once versus opening your guard to Wolverine's claws (Thor's best shot isn't going to put Wolverine, it won't even daze him for more then a few seconds, Wolverine's best shot will end the fight instantly or is a matter of seconds), Thor is going to be very hesitant to attack.
What happens to Thor if Wolverine severs a limb? The fight ends. What happens if Wolverine opens a major artery (or three)? The fight ends. Punctures a major artery? Slashes the eyes? Hamstrings Thor? Wolverine just has to many advantages in a melee confrontation with Thor given the stipulations of this fight. Given Thor's massive strength, opening a major artery might cause him to bleed out at a much faster right then normal... and a normal person can die of blood lose in a matter of seconds if a major aretry is severed.
Originally posted by Bransolute
Thor backs up after he hits Wolverine... why?Can't stop thinking about that part...
Considering, if Thor hits him, he falls down...
He steps back after he throws the punch regardless of whether it hits or not because he is fighting a faster, more skilled opponent with a reach advantage who can kill him with a lucky shot. What happens if Wolverine rolls under Thor's punch (not a huge stretch considering he is faster and more then a foot shorter and crouches when he fights) and Thor is still inside Wolverine's range? Thor gets eviscerated... and thats not in his best interest.
Originally posted by srankmissingninHowever, you said that if Thor hit him, he'd have to back up...
He steps back after he throws the punch regardless of whether it hits or not because he is fighting a faster, more skilled opponent with a reach advantage who can kill him with a luck shot. What happens if Wolverine rolls under Thor's punch (not a huge stretch considering he is faster and more then a foot shorter and crouches when he fights) and Thor is still inside Wolverine's range? Thor gets eviscerated... and thats not in his best interest.
Which makes no sense...
Thor's been shown before to beat an opponent without mercy after he's knocked them down (while angry), and only stopped because he didn't want to kill him (after he was KO'ed).
Originally posted by Bransolute
However, you said that if Thor hit him, he'd have to back up...
"Thor needs to get inside Wolverine's guard hit him and dance back out with out taking a hit."Which makes no sense...
I ment try to hit him.
I can't imagine Thor commiting himself 100% to a single attack. That's likely to get him killed. Your defences are down when you attack... and Wolverine is faster and has the advantage of reach (and since Thor is punching down at a smaller oppent, it would be a sinch for Wolverine to get inside Thor's guard when he attacks). Even if Thor lands a direct hit that Wolverine doesn't roll with, Wolverine would need to be severily over blanced when Thor threw his punch for Wolverine not to landed his own attack while or before Thor punch lands.
Wolverines claws could probably cut a locomotive. But what happens when Wolverine is standing on the train tracks and a Locomotive is speeding towards him at 100mph?
Thor could hit him that hard.
The difference in strength and durability is far too great for skill to be a factor. Its like a Kung Fu master trying to fight an Elephant.