Originally posted by Darth Jello
He's intelligent yes, but he isn't Peter Parker. He isn't nerdy in any way or particularly likeable or empathetic and seems to have a much shittier relationship with his family and treats everyone like shit. His mannerisms are twitchy and he's just this quaffed, handsome, emo-dork. He looks like a hipster in training.
The lizard is just...not interesting.
Emma Stone is definitely a good Gwen Stacy and makes her fate sad and really I have no problem with any of the other cast or acting choices. The tone of the film really did feel more daredevil because it's just dark, nighttime stuff with plenty of angst and lots of vengeful uncle Ben stuff much more suited for Daredevil than Spider-Man.It would be nice to have a Spider-Man movie hoping to capture the essence of Spider-Man instead of just having a vehicle for toy and product sales and a masturbatory aid for tween girls.
He's definitely Peter Parker. He's shy, socially awkward, twitchy at times (which he is at times in the comics), and very intelligent. You can see the nerdiness in his intelligence and in his awkwardness. And the glasses just add to that.
I personally found him likeable and empathetic. No, he doesn't have a shitty relationship with his family. He gets along very well with both Aunt May and Uncle Ben up till he gets his powers. He does get in a few arguments with them after that and up till he becomes Spider-Man but that's natural, no different than any kid would have been in his shoes, and is part of the origin (seriously, take a look at pretty much any version of the origin in the Spider-Man comics; he gets into arguments with Ben and May in pretty much all of them after getting his powers and up till Ben's death; it's supposed to be like that to add to the pain when Ben gets killed). After he becomes Spider-Man - I'm back to talking about the movie; not the comics - his relationship with Aunt May goes back to what it was before. The only times they get into arguments after Ben's death is when he comes late and forgets to pick up anything May wanted him to pick up. And that makes sense since he was too busy fighting crime as Spider-Man to arrive home on time or to do a chore Aunt May asked him to do. This is a constant thing he's been doing in the comics since day 1.
"Treats everyone like shit?" Who exactly? Flash? (lol) And he's SUPPOSED to be twitchy at times. That's part of Peter Parker's awkwardness. It would be the same thing as complaining that Bruce Wayne acts like a playboy ******* in the Nolan movies.
I already explained how he doesn't fall into the category of emo at all. See above post 👆.
The tone couldn't possibly be that dark with all the humor inserted and the soundtracks used. I saw the movie with a group of 12 people and none got the impression that it was too dark. It seems to be just you. It does have moments of darkness but that is to be expected because Spider-Man stories in general have many moments of darkness and some very dark stories (Maximum Carnage, Kraven's Last Hunt, Death of Gwen Stacy, etc.). This doesn't necessarily mean the comics are dark though because they're balanced out by the humor and the lighter stuff. It makes sense most of the action takes place at night for 3 reasons:
1) He's in high school. Obviously he won't have time during the day for crime.
2) Most crime happens at night.
3) Special effects at night are a lot easier to do than special effects during the day.
*SPOILERS*
As for the vengeful Uncle Ben stuff...
You didn't get the message behind that. He originally donned the Spider-Man suit to find Ben's killer and get his revenge. However, after saving those people on the bridge, he no longer cares about finding his uncle's killer and is more focused on using his powers to help people (because with great power must come great responsibility) than he is on vengeance. He was basically going through a character arc. That is great character development for the character.
*SPOILERS END*
Movie good but I wasn't impressed by it. Things that I didn't like at all were the
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origin, the burglar stuff, no wrestling,his mask was off too much, telling Gwen who he was way too early (Spidey 2 did that right), Captain Stacey's demise and the stupid promise (in the comics he asks him to take care of her), the light up web shooters (reminded me of kids sneakers) but the things that bothered me the most were...."with great power.." line and he didn't catch the killer.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERI agree with this. Garfield was absolutely perfect as Peter Parker and Spiderman, whereas Tobey wasn't good at either. The only thing better in the previous trilogy was the villains. Connors couldn't hold a candle to Osborn or Ock from the previous trilogy, but outdid all the villains in 3 except possibly Harry. Overall, this was the best Spidey movie yet, because for once, they got the 'Spidey' part right.
Urmm No. It was more like good acting.👆
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Originally posted by Darth ViciousI thought the movie was great but I agree with all your complains. Especially Uncle Ben's quote! 😠
Movie good but I wasn't impressed by it. Things that I didn't like at all were theSpoiler:
origin, the burglar stuff, no wrestling,his mask was off too much, telling Gwen who he was way too early (Spidey 2 did that right), Captain Stacey's demise and the stupid promise (in the comics he asks him to take care of her), the light up web shooters (reminded me of kids sneakers) but the things that bothered me the most were...."with great power.." line and he didn't catch the killer.
Thats the motto of Peter's entire life! 😠
Originally posted by Entity
I thought the movie was great but I agree with all your complains. Especially Uncle Ben's quote! 😠Thats the motto of Peter's entire life! 😠
They didn't want to give too many reasons for people to say this is just a copy of S1. That's why they left all that stuff out that's already been shown in S1.
Unfortunately a lot of critics are still saying this is a repeat of S1, which is puzzling me because apart from the Spider bite and Uncle Ben dying it's completely different Imo.
Originally posted by Entity
I thought the movie was great but I agree with all your complains. Especially Uncle Ben's quote! 😠Thats the motto of Peter's entire life! 😠
Uncle Ben's quote is said in the movie. They just reworded it and I thought that was a good idea. The quote has been thrown around so many times in the past that it has become an annoying cliche. I think most people would have been annoyed by it if it was used word-for-word in the movie.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Unfortunately a lot of critics are still saying this is a repeat of S1, which is puzzling me because apart from the Spider bite and Uncle Ben dying it's completely different Imo.
To be fair, most critics are biased against the movie. Have you read their reviews? So many of them bash it or deduct points simply because it's a reboot, because it's not like the Raimi movies, and because it uses more stuff from the comics. I've read many reviews that bashed the movie simply because it's a reboot and did the origin. I don't get it why they're only addressing this now. We knew since day 1 after the reboot's announcement that Spidey would be rebooted and that they'll be redoing the origin. The debate over whether or not a reboot is necessary or over whether or not redoing the origin is necessary should have happened months ago or years ago (when the reboot was first announced), not now when the movie is out. The movie is out now and it is what it is. Everyone (critics, fans, and the general public) should praise or bash the movie for what it is and not based on whether or not it starts over from the beginning. The time for that has passed. We've had 2 years to debate if it was a good idea or not. It's fine for critics to address their opinion a bit if they didn't like the idea of it being rebooted. But the problem is that for most critics, that opinion dictates their entire review and a lot of them even ADMIT that it's a good movie but deduct points because it's a reboot. They're also pissed at the fact that both the first Spider-Man movie and this one uses the same basic elements for the origin. They're complaining that he gets bit by a spider, that his uncle gets shot, and all of that. Seriously? It's based on the same freakin' source material. That's his basic origin in a nutshell. Plus, there's many things they added in the origin to make it different from the Raimi movies. His parents' death, the lack of wrestling match, the way in which Uncle Ben's quote is delivered and the way Uncle Ben gets killed, etc. They managed to stay true to the basic origin of Spidey while making it different from the origin in the first Raimi movie.
Also, another reason why critics bash this movie is because it's not like the Raimi films and more like the comics. I have read reviews where they bashed the movie for portraying Spidey as "a wisecracking dick who always jokes around and toys with his enemies" which is EXACTLY how he is in the comics. Critics have bashed the webshooters. They bashed the fact that Peter is socially awkward and twitchy, which is how he's portrayed a lot in the comics. They bashed the fact that Gwen falls for Peter before she finds out he's Spidey (because it's not like Gwen was attracted to Peter's intelligence in the comics and not to Spider-Man). They bashed the Lizard for his plan in the final act (won't spoil it) despite him trying that numerous times in the comics. Some critics (though in the minority) have even bashed the reboot for not taking Spider-Man in a Batman direction (making Spidey dark, giving him a Spider-Cave, etc. - I wish I was kidding 😑 ). And finally, some even bash it for it simply not being as good as Avengers or the Nolan Bat movies.
Overall, critics have bashed this movie for one or more of these reasons:
1) It's a reboot.
2) It's not like the Raimi movies.
3) It's more like the comics.
4) They didn't make the reboot into another Batman movie.
5) It's not as good as Avengers or Dark Knight (or Dark Knight Rises, for those reading this post after TDKR is released).
Sorry for the long post.
Originally posted by spidermanrocks
They bashed the fact that Gwen falls for Peter before she finds out he's Spidey (because it's not like Gwen was attracted to Peter's intelligence in the comics and not to Spider-Man).
That's pretty lame. It was a good love story, and you can easily see her falling for Pete. What I never got was in S1 why MJ out of the blue suddenly claimed she "loved Peter soooo much".. How and When did that happen??
I could see her starting to take a shine to Pete but given the events of the movie for her to suddenly "love him sooo much" seemed kind of a lame and unrealistic love story.
But this Gwen/Pete one was Fab, believable and entertaining.
Originally posted by spidermanrocks
They bashed the Lizard for his plan in the final act (won't spoil it) despite him trying that numerous times in the comics.
At least for once the evil plan wasn't to kidnap MJ!! My God I was getting so fed up of that evil plan!
As for critics complaining it's not as good as Avengers or Dark Knight.. Well it's already obvious it's going to be the most successful superhero reboot (it's doing much better than Batman Begins and X-Men First Class did).
And I'm certain if this was the first Spider-Man movie it would have been bigger than Avengers. But fact is it was the first Avengers movie whilst this is the 4th Spider-Man outing on the big screen.
Disappointed in this movie, and i had such high hopes for it. Gwen was awesome...and i liked her dad. That is about all i can say i liked really. A huge let down for me, but i am only a Spider-Man fan for 36 years, what do i know.
I find all the comments stating this is the best or right out of the comic, best web swinging, fights..etc to be surprising actually. I am not saying the Rami movies were masterpieces ( 3 was not that good), but this movie felt sub par.
I liked the movie. I thought Garfield did a better job than McGuire as Peter Parker. I thought he nailed Peter Parker. I liked how he a little of a New York accent which is something I never thought of but yeah Peter would have that accent. Emma Stone was great as Gwen and hey Peter never once had to rescue her this movie. I liked Sheen and Field as Aunt May and Ben Parker, especially Field as May. I found her likable instead of annoying like I did the actress playing the role in the Raimi trilogy. And Dennis Leary was just awesome. I'm glad they didn't have Jameson in this movie as no one is going to top J.K Simmons. And I for one am glad that Peter didn't catch the guy who killed Ben. It's really irrelevant if he caught him or not. Finally I liked what they did with Flash in this movie. He wasn't just a jerk and really tried to cheer Peter up after Ben got killed.
The thing I didn't like in this movie is the villain. I liked Connors up until he became the Lizard. Once he became the Lizard he became a generic villain. He just become evil without any explanation. I also didn't care for the design or the fact that Lizard talked like a normal person. That was kind of a turnoff. I also thought the scene where Peter revealed that he was Spider-Man to Gwen could have been a little better. It was too brief for my taste.
Originally posted by Stall_19
I liked the movie. I thought Garfield did a better job than McGuire as Peter Parker. I thought he nailed Peter Parker. I liked how he a little of a New York accent which is something I never thought of but yeah Peter would have that accent. Emma Stone was great as Gwen and hey Peter never once had to rescue her this movie. I liked Sheen and Field as Aunt May and Ben Parker, especially Field as May. I found her likable instead of annoying like I did the actress playing the role in the Raimi trilogy. And Dennis Leary was just awesome. I'm glad they didn't have Jameson in this movie as no one is going to top J.K Simmons. And I for one am glad that Peter didn't catch the guy who killed Ben. It's really irrelevant if he caught him or not. Finally I liked what they did with Flash in this movie. He wasn't just a jerk and really tried to cheer Peter up after Ben got killed.The thing I didn't like in this movie is the villain. I liked Connors up until he became the Lizard. Once he became the Lizard he became a generic villain. He just become evil without any explanation. I also didn't care for the design or the fact that Lizard talked like a normal person. That was kind of a turnoff. I also thought the scene where Peter revealed that he was Spider-Man to Gwen could have been a little better. It was too brief for my taste.
Originally posted by Estacado
The plot (Connors's plan )was the same as in the old school Spider-man cartoon.....Lizard was the same in the cartoon as well...
It was better then the other SM movies and Andrew was way better Spider-Man then Tobey...imo.
Ah but how does that compare with Green Goblin's, Dr. Octopus's, Sandman & Venom's evil plot to kidnap Mary Jane??!
Late as shit, but worth it.
Originally posted by Scythe
Finally saw this. Thought it was pretty awesome. Movie did alot of things right, some wrong, but I can't begin to nitpick it based off of deviating from the source material. These Marvel movies for the most part are drastically being influenced by the Utimate Universe, which I f*ckin' hate, but it's keeping enough of the classic influence to stay afloat of my interests enough. It's also establishing it's own movie continuity shit, were it being advertised as a direct panel by panel translation of a graphic novel like 300 and Watchmen did, We'd all have reason to b*tch and moan about every single detail.This movie, as a throwback to this:
It failed pretty hard. The Raimi films were a step closer, even though they had much fail on their end as well.
Now, as a throwback to this:
Film did a lot of things right. Wasn't a direct representation of it, but it was clear to me it was it's source material. The U-Verse had a different take on many characters and to me it makes sense to use this Peter since this one is aimed at a more current generation. He also needs to be pretty young to exist in a world where the Avengers are already established and such. This movie's Peter also came off exactly as the U-Verse's Peter. Tobey annoyed the shit out of me, and for that, this movie gets alot more interest.
However, if this film is stil relevent to the shit that's gonna happen in future Marvel movies like the Avenger's 2/3 or even just mention of this film's continued existance in forms of references and shit, it's not gonna feel like a total waste and brings a good unity to everything. If they flat out neglect the movie and it's sequels for a future Marvel-based reboot/origin story, I'm gonna feel like I wasted my time and money. So overall, that's a deciding factor in the importance this Spidey flick is gonna have with me, though I did think it was eons better than the Raimi trilogy. I like Raimi as much as the next guy, but his ass needs to stick to making comedy/horror films that we all enjoy watching. Though the first two were enjoyable, by the time the third came out, it was just a mess while some hold the second Spidey film as god-status, I don't, I hate Dr. Octopus. So there's that.
This film needed a Bruce Campbell cameo though.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Ah but how does that compare with Green Goblin's, Dr. Octopus's, Sandman & Venom's evil plot to kidnap Mary Jane??!
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he was just amazed that how "powerful" he became and he wanted to make everyone better....
Originally posted by Estacado
Lulz........totally forgot that.....damn Raimi is such a failure.....haermm
As for Lizard's plan he didn't became evilSpoiler:
he was just amazed that how "powerful" he became and he wanted to make everyone better....
Unlike the Green Goblin in S1 I felt the Lizard actually had a point in this movie and wasn't just forced in there just for the sake of having a super villain.
His origin was from the same cross-species genetic experiments that gave Parker his powers. But it shows Parker's case was a miracle, it can't be purposefully replicated to give anyone those type of powers with full control and staying human.
Plus the Lizard action sequences were awesome, and plus Curt connects the dots to Parker's dad, which is how he met him in the first place, a meeting which lead them both to getting their powers.
So yeah a lot of things came together in this one that I felt was missing from Ramai's version.
The Green Goblin in S1 seemed needlessly forced in to the movie. There was no awesome action sequence between Spidey and Goblin, just a couple of mediocre ones. Plus their origins were completely unrelated.
So the only point I can see to having him was creating the rift between Peter and Harry for S2. But apart from that GG just seemed to me to be in S1 just for the sake of having a super villain.