Originally posted by Nibedicus
That was actually Grand Moff Tarkin.Not only did he get Leia to "talk", he still went ahead and blew up the planet anyway.
Tho, it would have been prudent for him to check to see if she was telling the truth BEFORE blowing up his biggest leverage.
Evil bastard. Not very smart, tho.
Agreed, but he was under order from Vader, who by proxy Is under orders from Sids.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you realize how retarded that logic is ? Of course you don't because you are retarded but for ****s sake you are one of the worst debaters I've ever seen.
You don't say, then let's examine the worst thing Volde did and we'll examine the worst atrocities Sids did. That is the only way to determine who is most evil. You know, feats of being evil. Only a retard would think otherwise, then again, it's you
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiIf you have no proof Palpatine gave the order then you lied about the feat. Ignorance. You're a waste of time and your logic was piss poor. It's like saying Jason Voorhees is more evil than Krueger based off the body count of the visible kills in the movies discounting their reasoning.
Agreed, but he was under order from Vader, who by proxy Is under order from Sids.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiNo, it isn't. Evil is being selfish and taking no one else into account other than yourself. Voldemort was only about himself whereas Sidious was about his point of view and doing what he felt was best for the Galaxy. He also freely promoted someone he believed would become more powerful than himself.
You don't say, then let's examine the worst thing Volde did and we'll examine the worst atrocities Sids did. That is the only way to determine who is most evil. You know, feats of being evil. Only a retard would think otherwise, then again, it's you
Voldemort would make this guy shit his pants.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it isn't. Evil is being selfish and taking no one else into account other than yourself. Voldemort was only about himself whereas Sidious was about his point of view and doing what he felt was best for the Galaxy. He also freely promoted someone he believed would become more powerful than himself.Voldemort would make this guy shit his pants.
So you have NO idea what the world Evil means then... not surprised since you're the dumbest debater on this site. Not ONE word you used in anywhere in the definition. Sh1t, it's not even in the synonyms lol. Yet again the moron known as Quan strikes again.
Quan's definition of "Evil is being selfish and taking no one else into account other than yourself" LOL
Now the real definition:
e·vil
1. profoundly immoral and malevolent.
"his evil deeds"
synonyms: wicked, bad, wrong, immoral, sinful, foul, vile, dishonorable, corrupt, iniquitous, depraved, reprobate, villainous, nefarious, vicious, malicious; More
malevolent, sinister, demonic, devilish, diabolical, fiendish, dark; monstrous, shocking, despicable, atrocious, heinous, odious, contemptible, horrible, execrable; informallowdown, dirty
•(of a force or spirit) embodying or associated with the forces of the devil.
"we have been driven out of the house by this evil spirit"
•harmful or tending to harm.
"the evil effects of high taxes"
synonyms: cruel, mischievous, pernicious, malignant, malign, baleful, vicious; More
destructive, harmful, hurtful, injurious, detrimental, deleterious, inimical, bad, ruinous
•(of something seen or smelled) extremely unpleasant.
"a bathroom with an evil smell"
Noun
1. profound immorality, wickedness, and depravity, especially when regarded as a supernatural force.
"the world is stalked by relentless evil"
synonyms: wickedness, bad, badness, wrongdoing, sin, ill, immorality, vice, iniquity, degeneracy, corruption, depravity, villainy, nefariousness, malevolence;
Now, let's list the evil deeds each did, and we'll see who comes out on top clownshoes.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiYes, your definition is supported by my own. I am using Palpatine's own words with how he regards evil as a point of view. He doesn't view himself as evil. Let's hear these feats of him being evil. What has he done that can eclipse killing a mother and father to going after a baby ?
So you have NO idea what the world Evil means then... not surprised since you're the dumbest debater on this site. Not ONE word you used in anywhere in the definition. Sh1t, it's not even in the synonyms lol. Yet again the moron known as Quan strikes again.Quan's definition of "Evil is being selfish and taking no one else into account other than yourself" LOL
Now the real definition:
e·vil
1. profoundly immoral and malevolent.
"his evil deeds"synonyms: wicked, bad, wrong, immoral, sinful, foul, vile, dishonorable, corrupt, iniquitous, depraved, reprobate, villainous, nefarious, vicious, malicious; More
malevolent, sinister, demonic, devilish, diabolical, fiendish, dark; monstrous, shocking, despicable, atrocious, heinous, odious, contemptible, horrible, execrable; informallowdown, dirty•(of a force or spirit) embodying or associated with the forces of the devil.
"we have been driven out of the house by this evil spirit"•harmful or tending to harm.
"the evil effects of high taxes"synonyms: cruel, mischievous, pernicious, malignant, malign, baleful, vicious; More
destructive, harmful, hurtful, injurious, detrimental, deleterious, inimical, bad, ruinous•(of something seen or smelled) extremely unpleasant.
"a bathroom with an evil smell"Noun
1. profound immorality, wickedness, and depravity, especially when regarded as a supernatural force.
"the world is stalked by relentless evil"synonyms: wickedness, bad, badness, wrongdoing, sin, ill, immorality, vice, iniquity, degeneracy, corruption, depravity, villainy, nefariousness, malevolence;
Now, let's list the evil deeds each did, and we'll see who comes out on top clownshoes.
Let's go, nerd. I'll destroy you even according to your retarded logic.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Agreed, but he was under order from Vader, who by proxy Is under orders from Sids.
Actually, from that point in SW, Vader was portrayed more of an enforcer than an actual general in Palp's army. It seems to look like, at that point, that Tarkin outrank Vader or at least was seen to hold total authority in the Death Star, at least.
Example: Tarkin ordered Vader to release Motti. Or when Leiea said: "Governor Tarkin. I should have expected to find you holding Vader's leash. I recognized your foul stench when I was brought onboard."
Originally posted by Nibedicus👆
Actually, from that point in SW, Vader was portrayed more of an enforcer than an actual general in Palp's army. It seems to look like, at that point, that Tarkin outrank Vader or at least was seen to hold total authority in the Death Star, at least.Example: Tarkin ordered Vader to release Motti. Or when Leiea said: "Governor Tarkin. I should have expected to find you holding Vader's leash. I recognized your foul stench when I was brought onboard."
Kt getting shown up again and again and again.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, your definition is supported by my own. I am using Palpatine's own words with how he regards evil as a point of view. He doesn't view himself as evil. Let's hear these feats of him being evil. What has he done that can eclipse killing a mother and father to going after a baby ?Let's go, nerd. I'll destroy you even according to your retarded logic.
How can it be supported moron, literally NOT A SINGLE WORD OF HOW YOU DEFINED EVIL is in the true definition of Evil or a synonym of evil. None. Just admit, you don't know how to define evil or what the word means. Doesn't surprise me, but that is what happened.
That's the best you can do? Really? Serial killers have done worse. You better come up with something better than that
Order 66 alone destroys that argument
Ordering Vader to go to the Jedi Temple to kill YOUNG Jedi's eclipses that by a mile
Game, set, match
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Actually, from that point in SW, Vader was portrayed more of an enforcer than an actual general in Palp's army. It seems to look like, at that point, that Tarkin outrank Vader or at least was seen to hold total authority in the Death Star, at least.Example: Tarkin ordered Vader to release Motti. Or when Leiea said: "Governor Tarkin. I should have expected to find you holding Vader's leash. I recognized your foul stench when I was brought onboard."
I understand your point, but I don't agree in the least. Vader was the one in command there and the one speaking directly with Palps. Think about it, in ESB, he killed an admiral seemingly of the same rank as Tarkin for coming out of hyperspace early. Then he says, now ____ you're not in charge. I find it hard to believe Vader wasn't in charge in any one of those scenes.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiBeing evil is being selfish you dunce,
How can it be supported moron, literally NOT A SINGLE WORD OF HOW YOU DEFINED EVIL is in the true definition of Evil or a synonym of evil. None. Just admit, you don't know how to define evil or what the word means. Doesn't surprise me, but that is what happened.That's the best you can do? Really? Serial killers have done worse. You better come up with something better than that
Order 66 alone destroys that argument
Ordering Vader to go to the Jedi Temple to kill YOUNG Jedi's eclipses that by a mileGame, set, match
Order 66 went up against the Jedi order who tried to bring him in. That's called defending yourself against the Jedi council that isn't evil. The Jedi came after him to arrest him. He didn't order the issue prior to that so once again you're back to square one.
What has he done that comes close to killing a mother and father while there to murder a baby.
You are really, really, really, really stupid.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiTarkin overrode his authority and told him to stop. He stopped. Evidence. You don't get it. Tarkin wasn't the other admiral so again a shitty point that has nothing to do with Tarkin Vader's superior.
I understand your point, but I don't agree in the least. Vader was the one in command there and the one speaking directly with Palps. Think about it, in ESB, he killed an admiral seemingly of the same rank as Tarkin for coming out of hyperspace early. Then he says, now ____ you're not in charge. I find it hard to believe Vader wasn't in charge in any one of those scenes.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Being evil is being selfish you dunce,Order 66 went up against the Jedi order who tried to bring him in. That's called defending yourself against the Jedi council that isn't evil. The Jedi came after him to arrest him. He didn't order the issue prior to that so once again you're back to square one.
What has he done that comes close to killing a mother and father while there to murder a baby.
You are really, really, really, really stupid.
So you have no clue why the clone army was even created to begin LMAO. What an idiot.
I just told you something that poops all over it. Two things. One you have no clue and the other is much worse. He sent Anakin to kill all the "younglings" at the jedi temple. He didn't just try and kill and baby and fail... he sent Anakin to kill a whole bunch of children. Game, set match dummy
Originally posted by quanchi112
Tarkin overrode his authority and told him to stop. He stopped. Evidence. You don't get it. Tarkin wasn't the other admiral so again a shitty point that has nothing to do with Tarkin Vader's superior.
That doesn't prove anything you nitwit. Then again, it's you, and your as dumb as they come. It would be the same as a football coach (vader) trying to kick the QB off the team for being late. The team captain says no, don't do that, and the coach doesn't. That doesn't mean the team captain is above the coach, it simply means he listened. The admiral didn't want one of his staff killed, so he told him to stop, and because he does that means he's taking orders? LOL. It doesn't
As I pointed out, in ESB he killed an admiral for coming out of hyperspace early and appointed somebody else in charge. Thanks for playing kiddo
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiI do know since I watched the clone wars but he didn't use the tactic until they came after him. That isn't evil that's defending yourself.
So you have no clue why the clone army was even created to begin LMAO. What an idiot.I just told you something that poops all over it. Two things. One you have no clue and the other is much worse. He sent Anakin to kill all the "younglings" at the jedi temple. He didn't just try and kill and baby and fail... he sent Anakin to kill a whole bunch of children. Game, set match dummy
The Jedi were the enemy so he was justified in a war like sense to snuff out the is happens in every war you idiot. We don't sit there and call our presidente an evil sob for this and the same goes for Palpatine.
Voldemort went after an innocent child after he butchered his mother and father. Pure evil. Palpatine went after an order opposed to him. It's pretty simple unless you're Kt and think Palpatine was aboard the Death Star giving commands in ANH.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiBoth Vader's actions and Leia's words match that Tarkin was in charge. Nothing save your retarded mind says otherwise. You give me some convoluted answer ehich says ignore the evidence and listen to your shittty analogy about a football team.
That doesn't prove anything you nitwit. Then again, it's you, and your as dumb as they come. It would be the same as a football coach (vader) trying to kick the QB off the team for being late. The team captain says no, don't do that, and the coach doesn't. That doesn't mean the team captain is above the coach, it simply means he listened. The admiral didn't want one of his staff killed, so he told him to stop, and because he does that means he's taking orders? LOL. It doesn'tAs I pointed out, in ESB he killed an admiral for coming out of hyperspace early and appointed somebody else in charge. Thanks for playing kiddo
That wasn't Tarkin so irrelevant. Tarkin told Vader what to do.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I understand your point, but I don't agree in the least. Vader was the one in command there and the one speaking directly with Palps. Think about it, in ESB, he killed an admiral seemingly of the same rank as Tarkin for coming out of hyperspace early. Then he says, now ____ you're not in charge. I find it hard to believe Vader wasn't in charge in any one of those scenes.
Tarkin was not an admiral. He was a governor/Grand Moff. When the Emperor dissolved the Imperial senate, he gave each governor full control of their territories. Among them, his favorite was Tarkin. That is why he put Tarkin in charge of the Death Star.
I provided 2 scenes where Vader was being portrayed to at least took orders from Tarkin on certain things or at least percieved by some to be of lower rank.
Another strong example would be when Tarkin warned Vader that the tracking device they put in the Mill. Falcon "better work" as he was "taking an awful risk" in letting the Falcon escape. Had Vader outranked Tarkin at that time (as with any chain of command) the risk would have been on Vader (as he was the one that suggested the method, and thus would have just given the orders, and is thus, the accountable party).
If you could provide scenes where Vader excersized his authority over Tarkin or at least was implied to be of higher rank in the DS during SW, pls provide them.
Now I'm not saying that Tarkin is Vader's commanding officer. I always saw Vader as more "outside" the chain of command and functioned at the direct command of the Emperor. But at the same time, where the DS is concerned, Tarkin appeared to have direct control given by the Emperor. That much was clear.