Who is more evil, Voldemort or Darth Sidious ?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Tarkin was not an admiral. He was a governor/Grand Moff. When the Emperor dissolved the Imperial senate, he gave each governor full control of their territories. Among them, his favorite was Tarkin. That is why he put Tarkin in charge of the Death Star.

I provided 2 scenes where Vader was being portrayed to at least took orders from Tarkin on certain things or at least percieved by some to be of lower rank.

Another strong example would be when Tarkin warned Vader that the tracking device they put in the Mill. Falcon "better work" as he was "taking an awful risk" in letting the Falcon escape. Had Vader outranked Tarkin at that time (as with any chain of command) the risk would have been on Vader (as he was the one that suggested the method, and thus would have just given the orders, and is thus, the accountable party).

If you could provide scenes where Vader excersized his authority over Tarkin or at least was implied to be of higher rank in the DS during SW, pls provide them.

Now I'm not saying that Tarkin is Vader's commanding officer. I always saw Vader as more "outside" the chain of command and functioned at the direct command of the Emperor. But at the same time, where the DS is concerned, Tarkin appeared to have direct control given by the Emperor. That much was clear.

Again, look at the example I provided to QuanShe. A coach could want to fire a player, the team captain says no don't do that or you can't!!!, and the coach relents and doesn't. That doesn't mean the team captain was in control there. It means he listened to his advice, not over control. We see this all the time... somebody in control listening to somebody below them or somebody they don't have to listen to. That doesn't mean that lower person is in control.

Further, as you say, it seems clear Vader is basically speaking for the Emperor. The Emperor send him to do his bidding. Shoot, numerous times Palps tells Vader they'll rule the Galaxy together. Clearly indicating Vader is the No. 2 in command after Palps. That would override any governor or anything. Further, even when Vader shows up, Tarkin was scared of his arrival and he says "The Emperor isn't happy with your progress' I came to make sure things are back on schedule. Which essential means he's assuming command of all, or at the very least, part of what was going on there. We see this all the time in the military. Somebody assumes command of a base, that doesn't mean he gives orders on all the day to day minutia that goes on in a base. That is still up to the commanding officers at the base. However, he has assumed overall command of the base.

Shall we not also forget, Vader, in EU was called the Supreme Commander of the Imperial Navy

He used the example once again. Cringe worthy rebuttal. Repetitive, incoherence, and a poorly structured paragraph are to be expected from Kt the waste of time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He used the example once again. Cringe worthy rebuttal. Repetitive, incoherence, and a poorly structured paragraph are to be expected from Kt the waste of time.

Hey, it's the pathetic cheerleader LOL

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Hey, it's the pathetic cheerleader LOL

You ALREADY conceded to me...

Come up with a more evil deed than ordering vader to go kill innocent children. That is MUCH worse than failing to kill a babe. You have no responded to that, you skipped over it because it owns your soul. You purposely ignored it. Now either come up with something or I accept your concession

I feel Voldemort is more evil. Though Palpatines evil definitely operated on a much grander scale.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You ALREADY conceded to me...

Come up with a more evil deed than ordering vader to go kill innocent children. That is MUCH worse than failing to kill a babe. You have no responded to that, you skipped over it because it owns your soul. You purposely ignored it. Now either come up with something or I accept your concession

Originally posted by quanchi112
They were a part of the Jedi order who already attacked Palpatine. They were the enemies. Voldemort went after a completely innocent child who was a baby. Voldemort is more evil but attacking your enemies who attacked first isn't evil, dumbass.

Palpatine saw them as a threat, and Voldemort no doubt saw Harry as a threat.

It's kind of sad that Tommy was so scared of a baby.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They were a part of the Jedi order who already attacked Palpatine. They were the enemies. Voldemort went after a completely innocent child who was a baby. Voldemort is more evil but attacking your enemies who attacked first isn't evil, dumbass.

By that same logic moron, Volde ONLY went after the baby because he was now the enemy. He was the prophecy that was going to end Volde so to speak. You're MUCH more likely to go after somebody destined to kill you than young children who may or may not try and kill you later. I accept your concession in full

Originally posted by Surtur
Palpatine saw them as a threat, and Voldemort no doubt saw Harry as a threat.

Of course, but it's quan, he's an idiot who uses double standards all the time

From what I gather, Voldemort is a racist, he has a specific reason for wanting to do what he does. Palpatine on the other hand does what he does for the pure enjoyment of it, he craves power for powers sake and that makes him more evil IMO, he is less emotional, more rational.

Palpatine is more evil. He made Darth Vader cry after finding out about the destruction of the Death Star.

YouTube video

😂 Doesn't get more evil than that.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
By that same logic moron, Volde ONLY went after the baby because he was now the enemy. He was the prophecy that was going to end Volde so to speak. You're MUCH more likely to go after somebody destined to kill you than young children who may or may not try and kill you later. I accept your concession in full

Palpatine didn't kill kids either or attempt to. Coward.

Originally posted by Surtur
Palpatine saw them as a threat, and Voldemort no doubt saw Harry as a threat.

Originally posted by relentless1
From what I gather, Voldemort is a racist, he has a specific reason for wanting to do what he does. Palpatine on the other hand does what he does for the pure enjoyment of it, he craves power for powers sake and that makes him more evil IMO, he is less emotional, more rational.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again, look at the example I provided to QuanShe. A coach could want to fire a player, the team captain says no don't do that or you can't!!!, and the coach relents and doesn't. That doesn't mean the team captain was in control there. It means he listened to his advice, not over control. We see this all the time... somebody in control listening to somebody below them or somebody they don't have to listen to. That doesn't mean that lower person is in control.

Further, as you say, it seems clear Vader is basically speaking for the Emperor. The Emperor send him to do his bidding. Shoot, numerous times Palps tells Vader they'll rule the Galaxy together. Clearly indicating Vader is the No. 2 in command after Palps. That would override any governor or anything. Further, even when Vader shows up, Tarkin was scared of his arrival and he says "The Emperor isn't happy with your progress' I came to make sure things are back on schedule. Which essential means he's assuming command of all, or at the very least, part of what was going on there. We see this all the time in the military. Somebody assumes command of a base, that doesn't mean he gives orders on all the day to day minutia that goes on in a base. That is still up to the commanding officers at the base. However, he has assumed overall command of the base.

Shall we not also forget, Vader, in EU was called the Supreme Commander of the Imperial Navy

That wasn't about firing a player. It was about admonishing/punishing another officer for talking shit. If you think Vader would let someone, anyone, of less authority speak to him like that (while he is punishing another officer talking shit), in front of all the other officers, then he fails at his role of enforcer or Sith Lord.

No, that's not assuming command. At all. In fact, it further proves my assertion of Vader's capacity.

When an auditor or an efficiency consultant is sent to make sure that operations be put back on track, they do not assume command direct command. I know, I've actually hired ppl to do that. They may send reports directly to the CEO/Chairman or they tend to function within a consultative capacity with the supervisors/managers but they do not assume direct command. At best that is what Vader did. At worst, he was sent mainly for Tarkin to use as a tool for intimidation over the other officers.

Throughout the entire movie, Vader was never shown to have any authority over Tarkin. If you have an example where it is even implied that he -exerciized- some authority, go ahead and post it. But that is never demonstrated. Not once (unless you can provide evidence). It was Tarkin's orders that doomed Alderaan, his orders to double cross the Princess, his orders to "fire (the Death Star) when ready". Vader stood just stood there.

So your basis of Vader having higher authority is predicated on him being Palpy's apprentice. And that's it.

But let's be honest here, we both know you'd never change your stance regardless of the evidence proviced. And we are derailing the thread.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Of course, but it's quan, he's an idiot who uses double standards all the time

lol at palpatine being scared of a guy that looks like a used condom

Originally posted by relentless1
lol at palpatine being scared of a guy that looks like a used condom