Fact:Michael could defeat Lucifer with a gesture with far less powerful than a universal burst of energy that would lay waste to creation.
Fact:Lucy controlled the detonation.
You can distort the words and the easy fashion Mike first dispatched of him but in the end the facts support me not your distorted views.
While extremely powerful these two's bodies weren't anywhere near invulnerable enough to soak up the power from these lanterns.
Originally posted by Galan007
Lmao @ people trying to argue that Lucifer only survived the big bang released from Michael because it was "controlled detonation." The detonation was only "controlled" in the sense that Lucifer removed Michael from the mainstream universe, and had him detonate in the void (subsequently saving all creation.) I mean, It's not like Lucifer had any extra power in the void, so why people think him tanking the big bang there, as opposed to within Yahweh's creation, would have affected his 'damage soak' is entirely beyond me..? Tbh, it's actually a pretty ridiculous/baseless line of 'logic'.Fact: Lucifer removed Michael from Yahweh's creation so that he could ultimately release the aforementioned energies into the void.
Fact: Lucifer tanked the subsequent multiversal big bang released from Michael's person.
Fact: Lucifer effortlessly warped those multiversal energies into a physical creation.
Fact: Lucifer OR Michael would casually shit-stomp the Lanterns.
Well put.
Fact: Lucifer is so much smarter than the Lanterns that he could probably Solo simply by tricking them into attacking each other.
Out of curiosity is there even any proof of either Angel being damaged by an energy attack since we know the Lanterns have no access to heavenly weaponry during the battle.
Originally posted by Galan007. its not like that detonation was the first time he's handled michael's power. He's also done the same at the beginning of the first creation as well so he has a track record of being able to handle it. there is no multiple people arguing it. theres only quanchi. and he'll say almost anything to make lucifer or michael look bad cause almost everyone else agrees that Lucifer is a vastly superior intellectual to his favorite character Thanos. there's no pt in arguing with quanchi cuz he'll never admit the truth. he's the only one arguing against them.
Lmao @ people trying to argue that Lucifer only survived the big bang released from Michael because it was "controlled detonation." The detonation was only "controlled" in the sense that Lucifer removed Michael from the mainstream universe, and had him detonate in the void (subsequently saving all creation.) I mean, It's not like Lucifer had any extra power in the void, so why people think him tanking the big bang there, as opposed to within Yahweh's creation, would have affected his 'damage soak' is entirely beyond me..? Tbh, it's actually a pretty ridiculous/baseless line of 'logic'.Fact: Lucifer removed Michael from Yahweh's creation so that he could ultimately release the aforementioned energies into the void.
Fact: Lucifer tanked the subsequent multiversal big bang released from Michael's person.
Fact: Lucifer effortlessly warped those multiversal energies into a physical creation.
Fact: Lucifer OR Michael would casually shit-stomp the Lanterns.
Originally posted by SuperherovandalLucy isn't anywhere near Thanos in terms of manipulation or the kinds of competition Thanos is up against compared to Lucy. I've already proven far less than their power can hurt/kill them. You can disagree all you want but as usual I bring the pain.
. its not like that detonation was the first time he's handled michael's power. He's also done the same at the beginning of the first creation as well so he has a track record of being able to handle it. there is no multiple people arguing it. theres only quanchi. and he'll say almost anything to make lucifer or michael look bad cause almost everyone else agrees that Lucifer is a vastly superior intellectual to his favorite character Thanos. there's no pt in arguing with quanchi cuz he'll never admit the truth. he's the only one arguing against them.
Originally posted by quanchi112You're proof is meaningless. and if anything the one thing that the other team should never ever attempt to do is kill Michael. Killing Michael would only destroy them and leave Lucifer completely unharmed. Also killing michael does absolutely nothing to him except break his vessel. He will simply reconstitute himself in seconds. So there is no point in bringing that up. also lucifer is far smarter than thanos can hope to accomplish. he's done more with less. but i know that theres no point in arguing that with you. so lets end that particular argument.
Lucy isn't anywhere near Thanos in terms of manipulation or the kinds of competition Thanos is up against compared to Lucy. I've already proven far less than their power can hurt/kill them. You can disagree all you want but as usual I bring the pain.
Originally posted by SuperherovandalThey don't have to kill Michael they can take hi as their prisoner as Sandolphon did.
You're proof is meaningless. and if anything the one thing that the other team should never ever attempt to do is kill Michael. Killing Michael would only destroy them and leave Lucifer completely unharmed. Also killing michael does absolutely nothing to him except break his vessel. He will simply reconstitute himself in seconds. So there is no point in bringing that up. also lucifer is far smarter than thanos can hope to accomplish. he's done more with less. but i know that theres no point in arguing that with you. so lets end that particular argument.
Lucy being outprepped by Fenris initially didn't look like a genius move to me. He also was dominated by Michael initially in the great war and was pwned by the Sandman.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it is powerful enough to hurt him but nowhere near as powerful as him which he could have ended the war with a gesture.So it proves without a shadow of a doubt that weaker beings can hurt him and beat him despite him being more powerful. I just wanted to prove his body is nowhere near as durable as it is powerful.
But it's not a fair comparison. Michael may as well be a walking nuke compared to the angels armed only with melee weapons.
That doesn't make Michael weak for being injured by said melee weapons, it makes the melee weapons hella powerful..
Originally posted by cdtmNo, it doesn't. The weapon has no feats to say it's hela awesome and neither does Michael to prove it's one heckuva showing. He's just powerful but very vulnerable.
But it's not a fair comparison. Michael may as well be a walking nuke compared to the angels armed only with melee weapons.That doesn't make Michael weak for being injured by said melee weapons, it makes the melee weapons hella powerful..
Originally posted by quanchi112He's not vulnerable at all really. He's only vulnerable because he chooses to be. Let me explain. Sure some being can hurt his vessel. but by doing so it doesn't really do much to him. and if you kill him you release the demiurgic power from within and he instantly comes back as good as new. he only died permanently because he gave his powers to elaine because he knew that if he died that he would wipe creation away and he didn't want to do that. Let me reiterate: Killing michael does absolutely nothing for his opponents. it would only annihilate themselves. the brothers beat their enemies.
No, it doesn't. The weapon has no feats to say it's hela awesome and neither does Michael to prove it's one heckuva showing. He's just powerful but very vulnerable.
Originally posted by SuperherovandalThey don't need to kill Michael to win here just as Sandolphon didn't have to either.
He's not vulnerable at all really. He's only vulnerable because he chooses to be. Let me explain. Sure some being can hurt his vessel. but by doing so it doesn't really do much to him. and if you kill him you release the demiurgic power from within and he instantly comes back as good as new. he only died permanently because he gave his powers to elaine because he knew that if he died that he would wipe creation away and he didn't want to do that. Let me reiterate: Killing michael does absolutely nothing for his opponents. it would only annihilate themselves. the brothers beat their enemies.
Originally posted by quanchi112The problem is unlike sandalphon he won't be focussed on anything else. and he has lucifer on his side who is equal to him and is many magnitudes smarter than anyone else on the battlefield. also sandalaphon wasn't some regular angel in the heavenly hierarchy. fyi he was an archangel just like michael and lucifer. so that isn't that low of a durability feat.
They don't need to kill Michael to win here just as Sandolphon didn't have to either.
Originally posted by SuperherovandalIt is compared to the power this teams brings to the table. Lucy is smart when he gets to talk in a story but in a battle where they are fighting this won't help him one bit. I think both go down rather quickly tbh.
The problem is unlike sandalphon he won't be focussed on anything else. and he has lucifer on his side who is equal to him and is many magnitudes smarter than anyone else on the battlefield. also sandalaphon wasn't some regular angel in the heavenly hierarchy. fyi he was an archangel just like michael and lucifer. so that isn't that low of a durability feat.
Originally posted by Prep-ManLarf can be beaten easily by practically anyone here before he'd do anything other than get in the way.
Lucifer would trick Larfleeze in stealing the other lanterns rings/power. Casing commotion and confusion. While Michael stabs everyone in the back. Or waves his hands and blinks them out of existence.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it doesn't. The weapon has no feats to say it's hela awesome and neither does Michael to prove it's one heckuva showing. He's just powerful but very vulnerable.
The weapon has a feat of hurting Michael.
That's a feat.
Other angelic weapons have hurt demons other and other omnipotents. Michael himself used swords against Spectre on several occasions.