Originally posted by Cogito
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Right, because LT wasn't surpassed by the likes of a celestial created by one of those fellow abstracts (Scathan) or a random human who was hit with radiation (Owen Reece) 🙄
There's also Protege. And after he copied LT's power, a Celestial ended up beating him..
Owen Reece is Molecule Man, isn't he?
Is this a Pre Retcon Beyonder thing?
Originally posted by cdtmThe angels were very defeatable by other beings such as the japanese demon and by Fenris so spare me the hyperbole when Michael is concerned he has no uber durability feats nor does the spear have anything uber about it.
By being stabbed in the back, by a high ranking angel, using a celestial weapon.LT also doesn't have a rival like the Presence did with The Great Evil Beast, nor was laid low by cosmic vampire that used The Presences female half against him, like happened in Supergirl, but that doesn't mean LT is going to beat Presence in a brawl.
What does the presence have to do with anything here ?
Originally posted by CogitoNot saying that there can't be more powerful beings due to pretcon or arguably in a futuristic comic but unlike Michale someone far, far, far weaker than him can't defeat him with a single attack by a featless weapon.
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Right, because LT wasn't surpassed by the likes of a celestial created by one of those fellow abstracts (Scathan) or a random human who was hit with radiation (Owen Reece) 🙄
Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]...he has no uber durability feats
And LT does? Has LT even been in a fight, before?
Because Michael has, against Spectre in various incarnations, and every time easily tanked his attacks and beat him.
nor does the spear have anything uber about it.
Because you can't imagine a spear made by angels being more powerful than a normal spear?
Hurting Michaels implies uberness. That makes it more powerful than Spectre right off the bat..
What does the presence have to do with anything here ?
You're arguing that Michaels wins because lesser beings hurt him. Presence has been hurt by lesser beings too.. It LT beating Presence, because of that?
Originally posted by cdtmMichael's actions against the Spectre aren't canon to mike carey's series. It's a a stand alone title based off of the sandman's introduction of Lucy.
And LT does? Has LT even been in a fight, before?Because Michael has, against Spectre in various incarnations, and every time easily tanked his attacks and beat him.
Because you can't imagine a spear made by angels being more powerful than a normal spear?
Hurting Michaels implies uberness. That makes it more powerful than Spectre right off the bat..
You're arguing that Michaels wins because lesser beings hurt him. Presence has been hurt by lesser beings too.. It LT beating Presence, because of that?
Yes, i can but not to the point of it being like an ig or anything even close to it.
No, it doesn't since Michael didn't do anything in this series to show that he's uber durable. He was beatable just like anyone else in the series despite his power advantage.
Presence has never been hurt by someone as weak as Sandolphon so the point is moot and the GEB was his equal while Sandolphon is someone who can be owned wit a gesture by Michael.
Originally posted by Cogito
At any time during Michael's imprisonment and torture at the hands of Sandalphon he could have killed himself (read: destroyed physical body). If the Lanterns could capture him, and that's a big if, they would most definitely not survive the explosion, whereas Michael and Lucifer would.
Not to mention, being a living "Big Bang" kind of implies durability...
He has to be tough enough to manipulate those energies, after all.
Originally posted by CogitoIt's not in character for Michael to do so.
At any time during Michael's imprisonment and torture at the hands of Sandalphon he could have killed himself (read: destroyed physical body). If the Lanterns could capture him, and that's a big if, they would most definitely not survive the explosion, whereas Michael and Lucifer would.
