Team Super Lanterns Vs Lucifer & Michael

Started by BullwinkleMoose6 pages
BullwinkleMoose Senior Member
Originally posted by quanchi112
They don't need to kill Michael to win here just as Sandolphon didn't have to either.

Too bad for the Lanterns that they do not know they should not try to kill Michael. Granted they have no chance of killing him anyways but it's highly improbable that they will just randomly decide to follow Sandolphon's strategy who was infinitely more knowledgable about his opponent than the Lanterns would be.

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Originally posted by cdtm
The weapon has a feat of hurting Michael.

That's a feat.

Other angelic weapons have hurt demons other and other omnipotents. Michael himself used swords against Spectre on several occasions.

Hurting Michael isn't that big of a feat. The spear had no other feats and Michael has no feats showing how invulnerable he is.

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Originally posted by BullwinkleMoose
Too bad for the Lanterns that they do not know they should not try to kill Michael. Granted they have no chance of killing him anyways but it's highly improbable that they will just randomly decide to follow Sandolphon's strategy who was infinitely more knowledgable about his opponent than the Lanterns would be.
They can ko him as well. That's definitely an option and it won't be hard considering his durability isn't up to par here.

Cogito Senior Member

Quan, before anyone argues any further, I just want to see how much you hate Michael/Luci.

Thanos vs. Michael & Lucifer, how goes?

(I don't mean to devolve this by involving Thanos, just gauging whether there's any hope here)

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Originally posted by Cogito
Quan, before anyone argues any further, I just want to see how much you hate Michael/Luci.

Thanos vs. Michael & Lucifer, how goes?

(I don't mean to devolve this by involving Thanos, just gauging whether there's any hope here)

I don't hate either character in fact I enjoyed this series immensely. I'd rather not devolve this thread into another Thanos debate.

King Kandy Senior Member

Why is it such a stomp? What did the bros. demonstrate above team 1?

Cogito Senior Member

Fair enough.

But if you think Michael and Lucifer can be beat by pretty much anyone with a spear, who isn't stronger than them?

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Originally posted by Cogito
Fair enough.

But if you think Michael and Lucifer can be beat by pretty much anyone with a spear, who isn't stronger than them?

The spear isn't just any old spear it is supernatural but it's nothing like omg worthy like the ig it's just an angelic weapon that can defeat the mightiest angel who dwarfs all the rest of them in power. That shows you don't have to be in the same ballpark to wound and defeat him.

Cogito Senior Member
Originally posted by King Kandy
Why is it such a stomp? What did the bros. demonstrate above team 1?

Let's see..

Being defined as the second most powerful beings (after Yahweh)
Being vessels for God's infinite power (Michael) and will (Lucifer)
Stated as each being more powerful than the entirety of the heavenly host
Defeating omnipotents (Lucifer)
Escaping predestination (Lucifer)
Creating (Michael) and surviving point blank (Lucifer) a multiversal big bang effortlessly
Shaping said energy into a multiverse, creating concepts such as time and space (Lucifer)
Being unkillable (they are abstracts for aspects of God, their physical containers (bodies) can be damaged but they cannot. They will reform instantly)
...Among others...

cdtm Restricted

Originally posted by Cogito
Let's see..

Being defined as the second most powerful beings (after Yahweh)
Being vessels for God's infinite power (Michael) and will (Lucifer)
Stated as each being more powerful than the entirety of the heavenly host
Defeating omnipotents (Lucifer)
Escaping predestination (Lucifer)
Creating (Michael) and surviving point blank (Lucifer) a multiversal big bang effortlessly
Shaping said energy into a multiverse, creating concepts such as time and space (Lucifer)
Being unkillable (they are abstracts for aspects of God, their physical containers (bodies) can be damaged but they cannot. They will reform instantly)
...Among others...

Also, pushing around Destiny in his own domain, and scaring Death.

cdtm Restricted

But really, it's the same reason LT is above all Marvel abstracts.

Usually, feats are king, but LT is an exception to that rule. His feats are very, very slim, but we take it on faith that being TOOA's personal enforcer makes him the second most powerful abstract in the MU, unless otherwise demonstrated (Such as Pre Retcon Beyonder scaring him).

For all intents and purposes, Michael is in the same spot as LT, being The Presences personal enforcer (As demonstrated in Ostranders Spectre series), and Lucifer is considered Michaels peer.

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I don't see it as the same at all. Lt wouldn't be beaten by his fellow abstracts due to their own power and Michael was beaten by someone far less powerful than even his own brother who himself pales in comparison to Michael's power.

King Kandy Senior Member

Originally posted by Cogito
Let's see..

Being defined as the second most powerful beings (after Yahweh)
Being vessels for God's infinite power (Michael) and will (Lucifer)
Stated as each being more powerful than the entirety of the heavenly host
Defeating omnipotents (Lucifer)
Escaping predestination (Lucifer)
Creating (Michael) and surviving point blank (Lucifer) a multiversal big bang effortlessly
Shaping said energy into a multiverse, creating concepts such as time and space (Lucifer)
Being unkillable (they are abstracts for aspects of God, their physical containers (bodies) can be damaged but they cannot. They will reform instantly)
...Among others...


OK, well most of those are just statements not anything "shown", and not hard evidence.

"Defeating omnipotents"? What does that even mean?

Big bang is impressive but didn't Parallax have similar power?

Your reasoning for unkillability could be said for Nekron as well yet he is vulnerable to the white light. Why would it fail in this situation? Or hell, Spectre is another "aspect" of God but was matched by Parallax. The Word is was literally defeated by a word.

Most of the others are just statements.

King Kandy Senior Member

Originally posted by cdtm
Also, pushing around Destiny in his own domain, and scaring Death.

lol, having a smartass attitude around them is not a "feat". and they were hardly scared of him, I don't know where you get that from.

Cogito Senior Member

Originally posted by King Kandy
OK, well most of those are just statements not anything "shown", and not hard evidence.

If you read Lucifer, most if not all of that is shown. Perhaps you didn't read it.
Originally posted by King Kandy
"Defeating omnipotents"? What does that even mean?

The Titans Gyges and Garamas, in the absence of Yahweh, took his power for themselves and became God(s). Both Lucifer and Michael were completely incapable of harming them. Lucifer won via intelligence.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Big bang is impressive but didn't Parallax have similar power?

No. Not at all to the same degree. Parallax's power had limits, as was shown when he was defeated. Michael's power is literally the power of Yahweh - infinite. It is all of Parallax's power and infinitely more.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Your reasoning for unkillability could be said for Nekron as well yet he is vulnerable to the white light. Why would it fail in this situation?

Are you trying to ask why the white light wouldn't harm Lucifer and Michael? Nekron can't die because he is an aspect of death. Lucifer and Michael are above Death of the Endless.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Or hell, Spectre is another "aspect" of God but was matched by Parallax. The Word is was literally defeated by a word.

Spectre also hasn't ever died... In DC, Michael was shown to be far superior to Spectre as shown when Spectre tried to force his way into heaven. Lucifer and Michael are above the Spectre, that's not arguable.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Most of the others are just statements.

Um, no. Not statements. Facts. Shown on panel.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't see it as the same at all. Lt wouldn't be beaten by his fellow abstracts due to their own power and Michael was beaten by someone far less powerful than even his own brother who himself pales in comparison to Michael's power.

By being stabbed in the back, by a high ranking angel, using a celestial weapon.

LT also doesn't have a rival like the Presence did with The Great Evil Beast, nor was laid low by cosmic vampire that used The Presences female half against him, like happened in Supergirl, but that doesn't mean LT is going to beat Presence in a brawl.

Cogito Senior Member
Originally posted by quanchi112
Lt wouldn't be beaten by his fellow abstracts due to their own power and Michael was beaten by someone far less powerful than even his own brother who himself pales in comparison to Michael's power.

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Right, because LT wasn't surpassed by the likes of a celestial created by one of those fellow abstracts (Scathan) or a random human who was hit with radiation (Owen Reece) 🙄

Prep-Man Senior Member

hey, cogito, didnt lucifer destroy a realm just by being in it?

and didnt he tear apart japanese gods by just his trickery alone. powerless.

cdtm Restricted

Originally posted by Prep-Man
hey, cogito, didnt lucifer destroy a realm just by being in it?

and didnt he tear apart japanese gods by just his trickery alone. powerless.

Yes he did, on both counts.

He was powerless, and managed to not only beat the japanese gods, but gain their demon servant for his own purposes.

Cogito Senior Member

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