1. Qui-Gon Jinn - discovered chosen one. Invented technique of becoming one with the force, which was crucial as Obi-Wan was able to guide Luke after death and help destroy Death Star, since it was used by many Jedi. One of the wisest Jedi of old order, formidable lightsaber combatant and force user. Trained Obi-Wan and made out of him example of ideal Jedi in every way.
2. Obi-Wan Kenobi - because of him Anakin was given the chance to become Jedi. Was one of the strongest lightsaber combatants of old order, defeated very strong sith, when was Jedi Knight, in ROTS he was on on level with Yoda, Dooku and Windu. The only his weakness was that he didn't have particular talent in defending against force like, when he couldn't break from Dooku's force grip, yet he could make very powerful Force pushes. Took care of Luke and in very short time was able to put Luke on right track and continued guiding him even after death.
3. Anakin Skywalker. By ROTS became fastest Jedi in order. Only Yoda and Obi-Wan could much him, Obi was the only Jedi in Academy able to confront him but only because he was his teacher, yet Anakin was driving him back whole duel. But his most influence was giving life to two twins, one of which became the most powerful Jedi in history.
4. Luke Skywalker - "Legendary war hero". Maintained balance in the Force. Alone not just restored Jedi but created New Order - stronger and without limitations of old one. "Became what his father could have" - the most powerful Jedi and lightsaber combatant of all time. Played vital role in saving galaxy through out his entire life and even over hundred years later as ghost spirit. Trained Solo children, which had very significant roles in fate of the galaxy and Jedi.
5. Jasen Solo - Played key role in defeating Yuzhan Vong - the greatest threat galaxy ever faced. In final battle achieved state of oneness with the Force in such purest form that it was beyond any Force user in history ever experienced. One of the strongest lightsaber combatants in New Order on level with sister and Mara. Post Vong war he became the most versatile Jedi known. Slave seed in his breast allowed him sensing Yuzhan Vong and controlling Vong creatures, which are void in the Force. Ability to embrace pain taught by Verger allowed him not only sustaining serious damage but, also, drawing on it to become stronger. Over 5 years of self-exile learned a lot of new and unique techniques of different Force sensitive groups. Even as Sith Lord he was no less unique. Unlike other darksiders he became Sith not because of selfishness but selflessness. He did evil things for greater good. Unlike Emperor and other mad Force abusers gaining power by draining life energy from elsewhere his power came only from within and with amazing fits. Ironically his actions ultimately led to order and stability in the galaxy being restored.
Originally posted by Lord LucienI don't count Sith with their dark spirits. Also, obviously, it was done by Jedi before, yet, too the order of Yoda's time it was unknown and I am not surprised since this order lost it's way. Invented, reinvented, rediscovered - it's all word's play. Main point is that, if not Qui-Gon, then there would be no happy Force ghost triplet at the end of ROTJ.
So all the Force ghosts that appeared before Qui-Gon... don't count to you?
Originally posted by ares834
If Anakin wasn't trained than nobody would have killed the Emperor. And yes the Galactic Empire would have still formed as Vader wasn't instrumental in its creation.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
If not for Qui-Gon's joint idiocy with the entire Jedi Council, Anakin would never have been trained. He's actually one of the worst Jedi.
If not Anakin, battle at Nabu would be lost and subsequent war.
What you mean worth Jedi? Yes, he wasn't wise but he has done a lot for republic as Jedi. His contribution was game breaking in winning clone war. Another matter is that all that contribution was pointless since no matter who won the war, Palpatine would be on winning side regardless. But all Jedi actively participated in war no matter how wise and experienced they were, even Yoda, on this ground they all were worth Jedi.
Anakin gets in top 5 for simply being father of Luke - Jedi that created new stronger order capable of facing greatest threats in the galaxy.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
If Anakin wasn't trained, Yoda probably could have brought Dooku back to the light side of the force during Dark Rendezvous. At which point Palpatine would have been royally ****ed.
Originally posted by ArhaelWithout looking via hindsight, the choices, and lack of choices that went on with the Prequel Jedi, were mindbogglingly stupid. Don't look at the end result years in the future and lay down praise for any good that happened. Look at the choices the individuals make at the very moment they made them.
If not Anakin, battle at Nabu would be lost and subsequent war.
What you mean worth Jedi? Yes, he wasn't wise but he has done a lot for republic as Jedi. His contribution was game breaking in winning clone war. Another matter is that all that contribution was pointless since no matter who won the war, Palpatine would be on winning side regardless. But all Jedi actively participated in war no matter how wise and experienced they were, even Yoda, on this ground they all were worth Jedi.Anakin gets in top 5 for simply being father of Luke - Jedi that created new stronger order capable of facing greatest threats in the galaxy.
I'd simply recommend you watch RedlLetterMedia's reviews of the Prequel Trilogy, as he sums up it up better than I could. Suffice to say that G-canon movie decision made in the moment, were just plain effing retarded.
Qui-Gon takes the cake for the worst choices made, with Anakin a close second. Unimaginably stupid.
Originally posted by ArhaelAgain, it's not about what will happen, it's about what's happening at the very moment. Don't even watch the AotC and RotS reviews, just the Phantom Menace one. He makes so many foolish, useless choices as to be... unbelievable. Hindsight (and plot necessity) pushes him through, but its the characters' thought process at the moment he chooses which makes him so bad. I put Anakin just below him simply because Qui-Gon came first, and had the rank of 'Master'. It's not the magnanimous, galaxy-influencing decision I'm talking about, it's the smaller things. Big things are complicated and take a lot of brain calculations, so it's a bit more forgivable if you mess up.
Not arguing with this one. But why Qui-Gon? Surely he couldn't know what would come out of Anakin.
But things like don't drink the tea, don't stand in the gas, don't split up, don't follow a cartoon rabbit underwater, don't pop up in broad daylight, don't follow a straight-line in a 3D space, don't bring useless people with you, don't limit yourself to one shop, don't try to scam people out of their possessions, don't make convoluted bets when simple re-purchasing will suffice, don't pin all your everythings on a slave-child's ability to deathrace, don't presume, don't resist the caution of a council of masters who predict a dark path for your pupil-messiah, don't bring said underage messiah in to a warzone, don't return to an enemy-occupied world with a Sith Lord whom nearly bested you without the aid of other and better Jedi, should all be fairly simple things to understand.
Not for Jinny.
It would have been equally inept and just as potentially dangerous to let an untrained Anakin roam the galaxy once he was discovered. You don't think Palpatine would have made them pay for that?
Lucien
Without looking via hindsight, the choices, and lack of choices that went on with the Prequel Jedi, were mindbogglingly stupid.
Remind me which decisions those were? I often hear/read this complaint with respect to prequel Jedi and nothing that constitutes a genuine criticism is ever presented beyond WELL WE KNOW PALPATINE IS SIDIOUS THEREFORE SO SHOULD THEY.
Originally posted by Herbert SpencerYou made this post at 3:43 pm EST, so unless there's about an hour delay in the site's updates where you are, you definitely should have seen my subsequent post at 2:47 pm EST.
It would have been equally inept and just as potentially dangerous to let an untrained Anakin roam the galaxy once he was discovered. You don't think Palpatine would have made them pay for that?Remind me which decisions those were? I often hear/read this complaint with respect to prequel Jedi and nothing that constitutes a genuine criticism is ever presented beyond WELL WE KNOW PALPATINE IS SIDIOUS THEREFORE SO SHOULD THEY.
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