Revan is more like Anakin Skywalker than Anakin Skywalker himself. His rise, fall, and rise again was extremely well-made and satisfying for fans and gamers.
Marek/Starkiller came out of no where. Vader finds a boy, raises him to be his apprentice, and then that apprentice turns on him, and manages to bring Vader to his knees. It completely cheapens what Luke Skywalker does in the OT. Like it's made to be that only Luke has the power to defeat the Empire because he's one of the last Jedi and the son of Skywalker. But now it's like, "oh no Luke, you're just a chump. Starkiller almost did it several years ago and he was way more uberly powerful than you were."
^ I hate that excuseexplanation.
Look, Starkiller doesn't cheapen Luke Skywalker's existence on any level. First, Starkiller was a fully trained Force-wielding warrior, whereas Luke's training was the very definition of half-assed. Second, Starkiller failed to stop the Sith, whereas Luke succeed. And third, most importantly, Luke's defeat of Vader and the Emperor was ultimately through compassion, not combat. This is the critical component to their defeat: Luke couldn't have stopped Palpatine with his lightsaber or with the Force; he wasn't strong enough. His only shot at victory was by appealing to his father's love for his son.
That's it.
Starkiller is in the most important ways a very different character than Luke Skywalker. Stronger? Yes. But he failed. It still took Luke to stop the Empire, Starkiller couldn't do it.
Originally posted by PencilInEyelulz
^ I hate thatexcuseexplanation.Look, Starkiller doesn't cheapen Luke Skywalker's existence on any level. First, Starkiller was a fully trained Force-wielding warrior, whereas Luke's training was the very definition of half-assed. Second, Starkiller failed to stop the Sith, whereas Luke succeed. And third, most importantly, Luke's defeat of Vader and the Emperor was ultimately through compassion, not combat. This is the critical component to their defeat: Luke couldn't have stopped Palpatine with his lightsaber or with the Force; he wasn't strong enough. His only shot at victory was by appealing to his father's love for his son.
That's it.
Starkiller is in the most important ways a very different character than Luke Skywalker. Stronger? Yes. But he failed. It still took Luke to stop the Empire, Starkiller couldn't do it.
You are entitled to your views.
To me, I always saw the Galactic Empire, especially Vader and Sidious, being in complete and utter dominance. Then in TFU to see Marek smote Vader and knock off his helmet, then have him engaging the Emperor's ultra-powerful Force Lightning on equal terms was ridiculous.
Starkiller was overhyped and made to show rediculous feats just to trick people into buying a crappy game. I've got no Revan love. I do like him more, but it may be because KOTOR>TFU majorly.
This. Completely this.
Originally posted by PencilInEyelulz
Compelling characters needn't be extraordinarily powerful in the Force.Revan's got enough going for him by way of talent that if he's not top tier in terms of Force strength, he'll be just fine.
To be fair, Revan's main appeal is being badass, not just being a leader, a polyglot, and a mechanic. Drew's book nerfing Revan as a knee-jerk reaction to avoid hatemail and OP would be like the Han Solo Trilogy showcasing Han Solo failing at flight school and using his blaster. It would deconstruct the myth and hype of the character in the worst way.
Also, Starkillers over-the-top Force powers usage is horrible and makes me loathe the character for two reasons:
1. It's grossly inconsistent with Force usage in the PT-OT eras. We don't see Yoda, Sidious, or Anakin disintegrating stormtroopers en masse or Force choking a baseball team.
2. This inconsistency in power trickles into movie characters by extention, and ruins any level of movie-only continuity by extension. Either we're forced to believe that movie-Jedi and Sith really can use the Force like gods or we're forced to believe that TFU is an exceptionally blurry window into EU and thus should be isolated within itself concerning context.
My thoughts? **** that. If they're going to OP Force users, just rewrite the goddamn movies. If Force users can play god with physics now, just make it more uniform across the board so shit makes sense. Or, failing that, ****ing use some rules of engagement for making EU content, George. Oh wait, you can't do that because you have post-OT books where Jedi babies communicate from the womb, Jedi talk to animals, and an entire species of sentients exists outside of the Force.
TFU is hardly the first EU material to vastly overpower certain characters. I don't see the distinction between Marek and, say, the reborn Emperor or uber-Luke Skywalker or the ancient Sith with their toys.
And as far as Revan is concerned, I grow tired of useless fan service (which is ironic, given the criticisms leveled at Revan). If I want people who are prodigious in every single field and know no weakness, I'll start reading Marvel or DC. As it stands, I'm not interested in Drew writing the ultimate Revan fanboy's fantasy.
Originally posted by PencilInEyelulz
TFU is hardly the first EU material to vastly overpower certain characters. I don't see the distinction between Marek and, say, the reborn Emperor or uber-Luke Skywalker or the ancient Sith with their toys.And as far as Revan is concerned, I grow tired of useless fan service (which is ironic, given the criticisms leveled at Revan). If I want people who are prodigious in every single field and know no weakness, I'll start reading Marvel or DC. As it stands, I'm not interested in Drew writing the ultimate Revan fanboy's fantasy.
Yeah, but WTF is this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLZTACMuMBU&feature=relmfu
I don't want to see Revan massively overpowered either; however, it might be difficult depicting someone who managed to slay two terentateks by himself and defeat a Star Forge-powered and Jedi-fueled Malak. If he is portrayed weaker than his feats indicate, you just know that Drew is trying too hard to nerf Revan and has made him annoyingly inconsistent.
Originally posted by PencilInEyelulzDifference is that we get to see those powers acted out in detail, and controlled by the audience. The shitty drawing of the DE comics doesn't offer much for visuals.
TFU is hardly the first EU material to vastly overpower certain characters. I don't see the distinction between Marek and, say, the reborn Emperor or uber-Luke Skywalker or the ancient Sith with their toys.And as far as Revan is concerned, I grow tired of useless fan service (which is ironic, given the criticisms leveled at Revan). If I want people who are prodigious in every single field and know no weakness, I'll start reading Marvel or DC. As it stands, I'm not interested in Drew writing the ultimate Revan fanboy's fantasy.
Revan's (implied) powers are overrated (hopefully, Dre), and his Gary Stu personality and skills are prodigiously awful, but the nature of the character's... character, is still rather open ended, at least until the novel. Revan still has the potential to be adequately (proportionately) downsized. Marek is concretely within canon with two games, novels, and comics under his belt. He's reminiscent of Dragonball Z, and his personality is either A.) angry, or B.) non-existent. He sucks as a character.
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Difference is that we get to see those powers acted out in detail, and controlled by the audience.
And that makes it worse? That's pretty unconvincing.
Lord Lucien
The shitty drawing of the DE comics doesn't offer much for visuals.
I saw pretty clearly Palpatine singlehandedly obliterating a fleet of starships, shitty visual or no.
Lord Lucien
Revan's (implied) powers are overrated (hopefully, Dre), and his Gary Stu personality and skills are prodigiously awful, but the nature of the character's... character, is still rather open ended, at least until the novel. Revan still has the potential to be adequately (proportionately) downsized. Marek is concretely within canon with two games, novels, and comics under his belt. He's reminiscent of Dragonball Z, and his personality is either A.) angry, or B.) non-existent. He sucks as a character.
You can expect Karpyshyn to fail. That's what he does when he actually writes novels.
Originally posted by PencilInEyelulzIt makes it more noticeable.
And that makes it worse? That's pretty unconvincing.
Originally posted by PencilInEyelulzWere they moving? Pretty (shitty, actually) drawings are great and all, but moving, pretty visuals--with sound!--leave a greater impact. Made all the worse when you consider the point in the SW timeline and the new inconsistencies with powers.
I saw pretty clearly Palpatine singlehandedly obliterating a fleet of starships, shitty visual or no.
Originally posted by PencilInEyelulzBane novels sucked. I like saying that.
You can expect Karpyshyn to fail. That's what he does when he actually writes novels.