Originally posted by quanchi112
Ah trick's guide to debating 101. If you can't name anything and have to reference someone else's respect thread I won't ask you I will ask odg.
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Why should I waste my time with you when I know exactly what your responses will be? All the information I could give you is readily available in two comprehensive respect threads. They were made for a reason.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusBecause we both know it's abc logic when Thor has tried and failed to beat the Hulk time and time again. He's even tried to kill the Hulk and has completely and utterly failed. If you won't believe me believe Thor when he says he can't win.
bakaWhy should I waste my time with you when I know exactly what your responses will be? All the information I could give you is readily available in two comprehensive respect threads. They were made for a reason.
Don't worry about it. We've done this dance plenty of times. I'm use to all his tactics.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Because we both know it's abc logic when Thor has tried and failed to beat the Hulk time and time again. He's even tried to kill the Hulk and has completely and utterly failed. If you won't believe me believe Thor when he says he can't win.
If Thor used Mjolnir as nothing more than a club, then I'd agree with you. He usually stands there, takes a punch and throws a blow.
Just utilizing Mjolnir with a modicum of common sense against the Hulk such as using it to block his punches and what not gives him the advantage. As I understand it, the TS intends for Thor to unleash every bit of his power. Which imho will result with a decapitated Hulk.
If you don't believe that Thor can output enough power to put down the Hulk, then I can't help you my friend.
Originally posted by CogitoI'm asking for examples of why he feels this way I can cite the same for why I feel the way I do.
Quan, you can't demand proof in the way of scans from Rage without providing any yourself 😬
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThor's tried before and failed. I believe he can hurt the Hulk but I don't see him koing him unless he goes godblast or uses one of his more exotic anti force blasts or soul sucks him.
Don't worry about it. We've done this dance plenty of times. I'm use to all his tactics.If Thor used Mjolnir as nothing more than a club, then I'd agree with you. He usually stands there, takes a punch and throws a blow.
Just utilizing Mjolnir with a modicum of common sense against the Hulk such as using it to block his punches and what not gives him the advantage. As I understand it, the TS intends for Thor to unleash every bit of his power. Which imho will result with a decapitated Hulk.
If you don't believe that Thor can output enough power to put down the Hulk, then I can't help you my friend.
Basically you're saying Thor has no common sense and is so idiotic he just fights like an utter moron against the Hulk because you believe he can decapitate him.
Originally posted by quanchi112Basically you're saying Thor has no common sense and is so idiotic he just fights like an utter moron against the Hulk because you believe he can decapitate him.
When has Thor ever tried actually killing Savage Hulk with blunt force?
Or any Hulk variation before World War Hulk?
When Thor got serious, he was able to beat up Mangog, as he did that time Thanos and Mangog teamed up. Mangogs pretty durable.
Originally posted by cdtmIh 440. He was screaming he'd kill the Hulk when he went into a beserker rage. He bested Mangog due to the anti force blast in his mouth an dwhat hero doesn't prevail over the odds when it's time.
When has Thor ever tried actually killing Savage Hulk with blunt force?Or any Hulk variation before World War Hulk?
When Thor got serious, he was able to beat up Mangog, as he did that time Thanos and Mangog teamed up. Mangogs pretty durable.
That's Green Scar.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor's tried before and failed. I believe he can hurt the Hulk but I don't see him koing him unless he goes godblast or uses one of his more exotic anti force blasts or soul sucks him.Basically you're saying Thor has no common sense and is so idiotic he just fights like an utter moron against the Hulk because you believe he can decapitate him.
Tried and failed to do what? If you really believe that Thor has to use something like the God Blast or the Anti Force to just knock out the Hulk then I can't help you.
These play on words doesn't work with me Quan. Not even sure why you try. I freely admit Thor fights like an idiot. His prideful and it's in his nature to significantly hold back. He let's his opponent dictate the level he operates at. It's one of his flaws.
Yes, I think Thor can decapitate the Hulk and I'm not really sure why you'd disagree based on his showings. I give where credit is due, but Thor's busted tougher shit than his -albeit thick- skull. Hell, it's been stated that Thor was crushing Hulk's bones in one of their fights, and those weren't charged blows. I doubt it would ever happen in a comic and by no means do I suggest that it'd be something casual.
Let's be honest though, I can bombard you with feats of might that would convince most other posters but I'd be wasting my time. You've already decided that it's beyond Thor's power and so nothing I can do will change your mind. You'll use whatever fallacious arguments you need to keep the charade up. No point.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ih 440. He was screaming he'd kill the Hulk when he went into a beserker rage. He bested Mangog due to the anti force blast in his mouth an dwhat hero doesn't prevail over the odds when it's time.
He bested Mangog with anti force, yes. But I'm talking about before that, when he hit Mangog with a hammer strike that staggered him, than hit him with his hammer so hard he sent him flying and wrecked some of the landscape, before turning his attacks on Thanos. As Mangog didn't rebound during Thor's attacks, we can presume he was out of action for the moment..
I haven't read that IH issue, but it's mentioned in an older KMC thread as that being a young Maestro. So, not a canon Hulk?
I'll try and read the issue for myself, though.
Anyways, assuming it is a young Maestro, it should also be relevant to bring up the pre Reigning Thor, with his Odin Force sealed off, fighting both Thing and Hulk, without his hammer, where he killed them both.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusWhy wouldn't I think that based off of Thor's recent dialogue and his entire history being unable to best the Hulk physically in extended fights.
That's Green Scar.Tried and failed to do what? If you really believe that Thor has to use something like the God Blast or the Anti Force to just knock out the Hulk then I can't help you.
These play on words doesn't work with me Quan. Not even sure why you try. I freely admit Thor fights like an idiot. His prideful and it's in his nature to significantly hold back. He let's his opponent dictate the level he operates at. It's one of his flaws.
Yes, I think Thor can decapitate the Hulk and I'm not really sure why you'd disagree based on his showings. I give where credit is due, but Thor's busted tougher shit than his -albeit thick- skull. Hell, it's been stated that Thor was crushing Hulk's bones in one of their fights, and those weren't charged blows. I doubt it would ever happen in a comic and by no means do I suggest that it'd be something casual.
Let's be honest though, I can bombard you with feats of might that would convince most other posters but I'd be wasting my time. You've already decided that it's beyond Thor's power and so nothing I can do will change your mind. You'll use whatever fallacious arguments you need to keep the charade up. No point.
What's crushing Hulk's bones going to do when he can heal from it or not miss a beat in the same exact comic. Hulk's always been Thor's equal long before his recent ww hulk/wb hulk went beyond even Thor so your argument doesn't even apply to the old hulk.
You'd bombard with me feats against other opponents than the Hulk when he's fought the Hulk many times so deep down you know I'm right and just won't admit it. This kind of fight highly favors the Hulk whereas Thor will start to wear down the Hulk will grow stronger and his healing factor will grow as well.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Why wouldn't I think that based off of Thor's recent dialogue and his entire history being unable to best the Hulk physically in extended fights.What's crushing Hulk's bones going to do when he can heal from it or not miss a beat in the same exact comic. Hulk's always been Thor's equal long before his recent ww hulk/wb hulk went beyond even Thor so your argument doesn't even apply to the old hulk.
You'd bombard with me feats against other opponents than the Hulk when he's fought the Hulk many times so deep down you know I'm right and just won't admit it. This kind of fight highly favors the Hulk whereas Thor will start to wear down the Hulk will grow stronger and his healing factor will grow as well.
So....you're going to do pretty much what I said you'd do? Figures, anyways, I'll keep this brief.
I pointed out that with the power Thor can bring to bear, he can take the Hulk in one blow which you latched onto and denied he has the capabilities to accomplish the feat. I disagree and I think the claim is reasonable. I'm realistic, I doubt it would happen in a battle -outside of that one time- but I think it's a very real possibility . Especially seeing as how he has taken a large chunk out of Galactus and even Celestial Armor, caused severe pain to high end beings like Surtur and other Skyfather entities with blows, has one shot defeated Herald level beings, one shot killed a Herald of Galactus, the Midgard Serpent and so on. With the amount of power he can channel into Mjolnir, I believe it's well within Thor's capabilities to take the Hulk down in one mighty blow. Hell, Cosmic Entities should avoid getting hit with the power he can bring to bear.
That's all I have to say on the matter. Feel free to disagree. If you feel so damn strongly about it, we can debate Thor's capabilities to take down a Herald level being in a battle zone because I'm not wasting any more time with you. Don't have the energy.
Next time, take a little more time writing your posts. I know I've got you raging right now, but bits of don't even make sense.
Re: Savage Hulk vs Thor
Originally posted by cdtmSo let me get this straight, you're taking away every advantage Thor has over Hulk and forcing him to just brick? Hulk wins almost every time in that case. I love Thor, but if he's winning it's due to BFR, or if he's trying to kill Hulk he could do that with a couple of rare moves that he's never used on Hulk.
Thor is bloodlusted, using lethal force, and fights melee only. No bfr or exotic power usage, no flying, no throwing the hammer.Hulk is also royally pissed off. He just got done stomping Abomination, and thinks Thor is endangering Betty..
Personally, I think Fraction having Thor claim he never could beat Hulk was bs.
Who wins?
Re: Re: Savage Hulk vs Thor
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
So let me get this straight, you're taking away every advantage Thor has over Hulk and forcing him to just brick? Hulk wins almost every time in that case. I love Thor, but if he's winning it's due to BFR, or if he's trying to kill Hulk he could do that with a couple of rare moves that he's never used on Hulk.
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Re: Re: Savage Hulk vs Thor
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
So let me get this straight, you're taking away every advantage Thor has over Hulk and forcing him to just brick? Hulk wins almost every time in that case. I love Thor, but if he's winning it's due to BFR, or if he's trying to kill Hulk he could do that with a couple of rare moves that he's never used on Hulk.
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The Hulk only beats Thor if Thor fights like a dumb brick (which is comicbook bulls**tery at its best; its common to see characters with superspeed, superior ranged attacks, ect completely neglect these advanatges when fighting bricks)...
If I had Thors power set, Hulk wouldnt have a chance in hell of beating me; The Hulk cant fly...has no energy projection...no telepathic powers; he's got nothing other than Strength, Durability, and an excellent Healing Factor.
Thor can utilize hammer throws while maintaining flight, can rain down lighting at will; Thor could just rain down the lighting to distract/stun The Hulk and then follow that up with a nasty barrage of charged up Mjolnir strikes...
Or to be even cheaper about it, Thor could just fly around and do nothing else but rain lightning down on The Hulk until The Hulk BFR's himself in utter frustration...
In closing, Thor could beat The Hulk a dozen different ways if making Marvel money wasnt an issue; the fights wouldnt be as entertaining as when Thor continuously fights The Hulk in close quarters combat and competely neglects his more exotic abilities...but Thor would win every single time nonetheless.
