yes, I digged that too, he's managed to shunt cytorrak's destructive influence for a good while now, but fell prey to his own insecurities and desire for power. that's probably how they'll manage to deal with him him in the end, by reaching through to him and showing that at least his free will range is bigger with cytorrak. he wont stop, just walk away in his own terms
Originally posted by 753In an Fear comic, Hulk & Betty was journeying together in a jungle, when he transform to Nul.
fear itself is more recent within the universe
In the Incredible Hulks, before #634, Hulk & Betty did also journey together, until things got sour with Tyrannus in the picture, that led up to #634.
Until we know what happen afterwards for #635, Incredible Hulks comic is recent in the universe.
Originally posted by SuperiorTechI thought Cytorakk abandon Cain for using Captain Universe abilities.
Seems like the most interesting as well I like them touching on the fact that Juggernaut could have called on Cytorakk to combat the serpent but choose not to.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk might get a tiny boost in power but there's nothing to suggest he's more powerful than elite top tier in the fear arc.
Why would Hulk get a tiny boost when every other character -Absorbing Man's boost is more mental based- has had a noticeable boost? Fraction hasn't fleshed out Hulk's power levels but it's pretty damn clear that all of the Worthy are intended to be above their original to the point it has a significant impact in combat. Worthy Hulk should be at bare minimum above Top Tier.
Originally posted by vansonbee
In an Fear comic, Hulk & Betty was journeying together in a jungle, when he transform to Nul.In the Incredible Hulks, before #634, Hulk & Betty did also journey together, until things got sour with Tyrannus in the picture, that led up to #634.
Until we know what happen afterwards for #635, Incredible Hulks comic is recent in the universe.
I thought Cytorakk abandon Cain for using Captain Universe abilities.
He depowered him not abandoned.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why would Hulk get a tiny boost when every other character -Absorbing Man's boost is more mental based- has had a noticeable boost? Fraction hasn't fleshed out Hulk's power levels but it's pretty damn clear that all of the Worthy are intended to be above their original to the point it has a significant impact in combat. Worthy Hulk should be at bare minimum above Top Tier.
I assume it comes from him not really doing much of anything before the Thor fight other than having a lot of trouble with Bendis powered Spiderwomon and Hawkeye.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYes, a little above his normal self but nothing has demonstrated he's far above his normal station. If you have proof I'm always willing to listen.
Why would Hulk get a tiny boost when every other character -Absorbing Man's boost is more mental based- has had a noticeable boost? Fraction hasn't fleshed out Hulk's power levels but it's pretty damn clear that all of the Worthy are intended to be above their original to the point it has a significant impact in combat. Worthy Hulk should be at bare minimum above Top Tier.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI said I think it's something but only something minimal to the Hulk. A major increase was what Pak did to the Hulk. That's sending a message loud and clear to the reader.
I really don't understand why you think adding an enchanted Asgardian hammer/weapon similar to Mjolnir wouldn't give Hulk a significant boost. These entities are literally inhabiting the worthy.Think what you want, Fraction has made it clear and Bendis touched upon it in the Avengers.
Like I said, think whatever you want, makes no difference to me. They've made it sufficiently clear that all of the Worthy have received boosts that have heavily improved their formidability. I see no reason why Hulk would be the exception. He had a poor showing in Avengers but so what? Bendis hit us over the head with the severity of the boost in the very issue. You could probably swap Thanos in for the Hulk and he wouldn't have a problem with the battle.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYou're a thor guy so of course you want to play the hulk up here as it benefits Thor.
Like I said, think whatever you want, makes no difference to me. They've made it sufficiently clear that all of the Worthy have received boosts that have heavily improved their formidability. I see no reason why Hulk would be the exception. He had a poor showing in Avengers but so what? Bendis hit us over the head with the severity of the boost in the very issue. You could probably swap Thanos in for the Hulk and he wouldn't have a problem with the battle.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYou're alluding to abc logic of other characters who have been amped but this doesn't apply to someone who can amp himself due to his own powerset throught his entire history.
Poor rebuttal. It does benefit Thor but that doesn't take away from what I said one bit.
Originally posted by zeelThey both excel in different areas I see hulk as having the better powerset personally. Thor is a lot more versatile though.
thor is,always has been, and always will be HULKS superior. Powerset wise at least, this dosent mean hulk couldnt defeat a thor that was not using his head.
Originally posted by 753
so far, worthy juggernaut seems the strongest of them all. veritably trans level, I'd wager.
I think it's partly to do with them being more reserved with Kuurthnaut than the others. He seems more enigmatic. And the fact that Colossus is going to communicate with an outside source like Cyttorak, makes it all the more intriguing.
Originally posted by quanchi112No way.
They both excel in different areas I see hulk as having the better powerset personally. Thor is a lot more versatile though.
Thor can construct impenetrable shields, teleport, absorb and transmute matter/energy, fly, create storms, summong lighting, anti-force blasts, God blasts, and life drains. He used to be able to time travel (in a way still can), and still has more abilities.
Hulk gets really strong and smashes stuff. He can regenerate like crazy, and can radiate gamma.
Thor wins the powerset hands down. Hulk is just the stronger/more durable brick, which is how Thor ALWAYS fights him (like an idiot).
I don't see how anyone can really argue that Hulk's powerset trumps Thor. Maybe if you base it exclusively on their fights in which Thor primarily fights Hulk down to his level in mostly melee brawling, I guess.
If Thor had the kind of superspeed that people mark out for from people like Superman or even his lesser "clones", I guarantee that they'd be all over Thor's hammer - and not Mjolnir - in terms of powersets.